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Topic: Fur's Savage build - 22-250
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Fur_n_Dirt
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posted February 06, 2015 06:08 PM
LB,
Cool, I get it..
What measurements do you like to use for fire-forming.. Bullet to land distance? Percent of nominal load?
Have you successfully down selected bullets while fire-forming.
Thanks!
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Leonard
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posted February 07, 2015 08:43 AM
What measurements do you like to use for fire-forming. Bullet to land distance? Percent of nominal load?
Well, I like to keep it simple, for fireforming, if I have no other option. For me, fireformimg serves no other purpose, I'm not developing a load. Actually, I do my fireforming in the garage, I have a chamber hung from the rafters and use reduced loads of pistol powders without bullets, but that doesn't really address your question, does it?
Have you successfully down selected bullets while fire-forming.
No, if I fireform loaded cartridges, I generally use leftover bullets, ones that I will not be using for a finished Ackley Improved cartridge. And, this is probably just confusing, right? In my practice, once I have the Ackley case formed, that's when the actual load testing begins.
Admittedly, there are a number of ways to accomplish this, everybody is likely to have different methods, and consider certain steps a waste of time; ie, just load em up and fireform em.
But, that scenario can drag out the process until next year, depending on how much time you have to get out in the field and shoot. I like to treat my batch of cases as a unit, cycle them together so I know where I'm at. 200 cases and 8 pounds of powder can get you several years down the road, if you take care of them. I never got out of the habit of holding my fingers of the left hand over the ejection port to keep brass from being tossed in the dirt.
All in all, there is a distinct feeling of accomplishment in having your finished Ackley cartridges dialed in. From that point on, I refuse to be sucked into the different bullets, and endless experiments. I get all that testing out of the way and there are some exact same loads dedicated to specific guns that I have been using for (what)? like twenty years, never changed a thing except minor stuff like when using a new lot of powder or adjusting seating depth to account for throat erosion.
A lot of yacking, hope you get something out of it?
Good hunting. El Bee
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UTcaller
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posted February 07, 2015 11:22 AM
Pretty simple when I fireformed. Bought some Berger bullets, had some Varget powder. Seated the bullets to do COL of standard .22-250. Started at the standard 22-250 max load with the Varget and shot. Didn't like the accuracy so I bumped it up to 1/2 grain over max and had about a 3/4 inch group. Used that load to fireform 200 rounds of brass. Killing alot of coyotes along the way.
Good Hunting Chad
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Leonard
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posted February 07, 2015 11:37 AM
See there? That's the practical application. But, he lives up there in prime coyote country, (I think) whereas, for me, like last month, it's a twelve hour drive.
Good hunting. El Bee
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Dave Allen
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posted February 07, 2015 05:59 PM
Sounds like Leonard and Chad laid out two good ways to get ya there.
I'm guessing Leonard stuffs a cotton ball in the neck to replace the bullet ?
As far as bullet seating goes IMO Sierra bullets shoot best about .030 off the lands, if you desire to take those measurements. I've found Hornadys shoot best closer.
Of course, I'm just shooting factory barrels.
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UTcaller
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posted February 08, 2015 08:48 AM
I don't know about prime country but there are a few up here in Utah. Plus Nevada has a few Coyotes too. I definitely like the 60's and 64's for Coyote killing with the New formed case over the 55's I used to fireform with. But they are still a good Coyote killing bullet. I guess the forming wasn't that big of a deal for me considering that I shot a 22-250 Rem. and 55 grain bullets for 20+ years.
Good Hunting Chad
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Fur_n_Dirt
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posted February 08, 2015 03:03 PM
We try'em and see what happens..
I installed a cabinet today, so glad I did, makes a big difference, everything is pretty much in reaching distance ..
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posted February 08, 2015 04:33 PM
I HATE people who are that organized.
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The last time that one of my workbenches was that tidy it involved a leaf-blower.
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Leonard
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posted February 08, 2015 04:54 PM
Yup, it's scary. But, give him a chance, he's just starting out.
I think that bench could use just a little beefing up around the press. Not for fireformed 22-250 Ackley, maybe, but larger cases might need some countermeasures, leverage wise? It's hard to make the bench TOO strong.
Cabinet looks like it belongs. Where did you get it and how much was it?
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted February 08, 2015 05:32 PM
A strong bench and tools mounted solidly goes a long way to keeping troubles to a minimum.
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posted February 08, 2015 05:34 PM
Oh and I like to shoot so I load a strong standard load with whatever bullet I'm using in that caliber and go kill stuff or bang steel.
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Fur_n_Dirt
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posted February 09, 2015 05:27 PM
Thanks for the measurements Dave..
LB, that cabinet was at Lowe's for about $85.
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Dave Allen
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posted February 10, 2015 06:18 PM
Dude, I'm so envious of your set up. My reloading room is the garage.
My daughter still lives with us, she's in college. The spare room is full of my wife's stuff. Now my wife says she's clearing out the spare room, great !!
But, she's buying two bunny's now and that's gonna be their pad.
I'll be married 24 years in September. I live in a female dominated house hold. Everything is white and pink.
I've finally come to the realization, don't fight it. I'm just along for the ride..
A corner of the garage is mine, a reloading bench and a 4-wheeler..Lol
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Leonard
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posted February 10, 2015 08:23 PM
You sure opened yourself up for a few snarky comments, Dave. But, it won't be me!
Why? Because that's all I have is the "half" of a 2 1/2 car garage. I make it work.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: besides, wait until fur has spent primers rolling around, and spilled powder. No, really, if you have a spare room, it's great but for me, my loading belongs in the garage.
Good hunting. El Bee
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Fur_n_Dirt
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posted February 21, 2015 08:38 PM
Yup, powder and brass shavings everywhere! But I just vacuum it up! Don't tell the wife..
I went to range today and shot my first reloads. (.223) It was pretty damn fun! Those 53 sierra match shot really well.
I dont know why it took me long to start reloading..
PS. My barrel still has not showed up!
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Dave Allen
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posted February 22, 2015 08:45 AM
Good for you dude !!
Hey do you like your powder measure mounted on the end of the bench ? it seems like it should be back some ?
You guys have inspired me, gotta' go back out to the garage. To organize my reloading area.
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posted February 22, 2015 09:50 AM
Yeah, that is just sickening, to be that neat an organized.
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Fur_n_Dirt
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posted February 22, 2015 11:55 AM
Dave,
I'm finding that you want ALL equipment right in front of you when reloading, so my ergonomics is not the best.. However, still working it. I have a quick clamp that holds the powder tower so I'll be moving it right in front of me..
I find that if I rotate a little to the right, I can comfortably use the press. The press base is actually quite stiff, so I like that location..
Oh yeah, if you guys are using single presses and not using the Hornady bushing kit , your missing out! It is fabulous to be able to quickly remove any die and twist a quarter of a turn to have your exact settings! Very, very cool.
Hornady Lock n Load bushing Kit
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posted February 22, 2015 12:00 PM
Oh yeah, I'm currently reviewing IMR 4166 and I'll report back soon.. So far, so good.
I need a lot more range sessions to confirm, but it shot those 53 sierra matches very nice out of my combo gun!
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Dave Allen
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posted February 22, 2015 08:29 PM
Ok here's my setup. Haven't used photo bucket in quite a spell.
Anyway don't laugh too hard. Homemade bench, started as a wood pallet from work..
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posted February 22, 2015 08:49 PM
Even got my side of the garage back !!
A man deserves @ least half of a garage..
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posted February 23, 2015 01:44 PM
That works, if I was in the garage all year around, I wouldn't be doing any reloading in the summer!! Not in southern AZ
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posted February 23, 2015 06:32 PM
Ok, only thing missing is my damn barrel!
I really like my bolt handle though.. However, I feel it has too much bling, so its going to be cerakote w/ the rest of the components...
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posted February 24, 2015 03:16 AM
In Arizona having a place indoors is reqd. much too hot in the garage. I started out with half the laundry room then When we moved into a house we used to rent out I got my own room. Its my Office , mancave , reloading room. only 12x15 but all mine.
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posted February 24, 2015 03:20 AM
Love the bolt and handle looks great.
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