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Fur_n_Dirt
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posted January 12, 2015 08:16 PM
It's just that my silencer is over 7" inches..put that on a 26" barrel and I would feel like I'm carrying an elephant penis into the field!
This silencer puts a whole new twist on things. (No pun intended)
Let's see how it turns out..
I really do appreciate all the comments. Yes , even you Jimanaz..
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posted January 12, 2015 08:57 PM
As was said, it's your money. I understand the reasoning behind the shorter barrel, maybe a 250 Ackley and a can don't really compliment one another. Or a 250 Rem, for that matter.
I know Tom's is shorter too, but that's just something I can't wrap my head around. Probably a personal flaw. Hell, I almost wish I'd had mine finished @ 30".
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Leonard
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posted January 12, 2015 09:49 PM
I have several barrels longer than 26 inches. I really don't see why people are afraid of long barrels?
In fact, although some may not see the connection, to let a seven inch surpressor dictate your barrel length decisions is kind of questionable. You know, a long barrel, all by itself, is a suppressor. Really.
Good hunting. El Bee
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TOM64
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posted January 13, 2015 05:00 AM
You guys and your long barrels, trying to make up for other shortcomings? ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
My cousin is just like y'all he's got his 28" 6mm AI that runs just about 100 fps faster than my 22" 243AI due to his powder choices.
I just don't see the need but as long as you can sleep at night.
In this case, I might have went 24" with a heavy profile due to the can changing POI or went 223AI and a 20" chunk. But I'm not going to tell someone else how to spend their money unless they ask me.
I do remember reading about a guy who chose 30-06AI on his big game carbine. He wound up with vanilla 30-06 velocities which was what he wanted, a shorter handy dandy 30-06.
For me, I toted my shotgun through the timber this past weekend and was amazed at everything the extra barrel length hung on.
I don't think furdirt's bullets are gonna bounce off either way.
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posted January 13, 2015 05:57 AM
On the 4th loading of .22-243AI cases now, and have yet to trim, or even FL size the brass. Quick run thru a bushing neck die & roll wit it!
Same for the .17Predator, with it's Improved shoulder. 5x fired brass, and the bolt still closes on a fired case...
I never forgot when I heard Dave say he likes to "stop beating hearts" when fireforming cases. I quickly adopted that as my preferred way, too. If at all possible...
IMHO, if cans were legal here, I'd be leaning toward building a rifle around a case that thrives in a short barrel, over one that tolerates one. But, to each, his own!
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Fur_n_Dirt
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posted January 13, 2015 06:38 AM
Tom,
Seems I'm getting close to your selection , only 3" off. If all things equal, assuming a 25 to 32 fps worst case per inch lose , that's only about a 100 fps difference max.
Most importantly, accuracy should be similar, right?
Seems like we should start a short barrel club? ha ha
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Fur_n_Dirt
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posted January 13, 2015 06:45 AM
The one thing that I don't know is if an Ackley will provide the same performance delta on a short barrel as a longer barrel? hmmm
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posted January 13, 2015 07:19 AM
It'll still be faster than a 21" vanilla 22-250
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Leonard
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posted January 13, 2015 07:47 AM
That's one thing beyond dispute. A short barrel is more accurate than a long barrel. Well, hardly anything "is beyond dispute" up in the north woods, but they say by cutting a long barrel, inch by inch, eventually, it gets more accurate.
Spare us! Snagging a long barrel? Haven't heard that one in a long time. Just kidding but you realize, a lot of places, there is nothing to snag it on?
Good hunting. El Bee
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Fur_n_Dirt
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posted January 14, 2015 08:03 PM
Time to apply for the Ackley club! Vendor confirmed.
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posted January 15, 2015 07:17 AM
You'll be glad.
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Leonard
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posted January 15, 2015 08:07 AM
Yeah, you sure dodged that bullet! Now, could you please instruct him to cut the damned thing at 23" and compromise with a 5" muffler?
Thank you, LB
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posted January 15, 2015 07:48 PM
Well, good for you !!
It just appeared to me you were inclined to do the Ackley thing from the 1st place.
Right on.. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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Leonard
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posted January 16, 2015 08:11 AM
NO, HE WASN'T! WE HAD TO DRAG HIM, KICKING AND SCREAMING, EVERY INCH OF THE WAY!
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Aaron Rhoades
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posted January 16, 2015 08:36 AM
Fur, I sure wouldn't worry about the Ackley being a hassle to load for, you have lots of the best on here to help you with any problems.
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Fur_n_Dirt
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posted January 16, 2015 09:42 AM
Well, I guess I did have a few arm wrestling matches..
Glad you guys are around!
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posted January 16, 2015 04:28 PM
I'm gonna go kill something with mine in the morning to celebrate.
But I'm leaving the ladder in the shed!
I think 22" 22-250AI's are just fine.
As promised...
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Fur_n_Dirt
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posted January 17, 2015 01:52 PM
Thumbs up!
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Dave Allen
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posted January 17, 2015 05:25 PM
Nice job Tom !!
Fur, now that the dust is starting to settle. What kinda bullets are you gonna use when you start reloading ? I know ya got the IMR 4166 for powder.
Rainy day-night, I'm bored.
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Fur_n_Dirt
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posted January 17, 2015 06:29 PM
Now that you asked... The barrel is a 1:12, so bullet weight is limited..
I'm interested in shooting as heavy as possible (I think). Still need to dig into this, but I believe the vendor said 55 to 60 grains should stabilize fine.
Bullet selection is trickier, since I got that can on the end. I'm staying away from super fragile bullets to avoid any potential damage to my expensive can. Besides, I hate Vmax. That's another story.
So, I'm thinking a high quality sierra hollow point. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Open to suggestions.. thx
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posted January 17, 2015 06:45 PM
Don't know how they would work with your supressor but you should have no problem stabilizing either the 60 or 64 grain Berger hollow points. That's what I have been shooting and my 22-250 Ackley is a 1:12 twist. Both bullets shoot great groups and kill coyotes very dead.
Good Hunting Chad
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Dave Allen
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posted January 17, 2015 06:48 PM
I'm not a V-max fan either, for whatever that's worth.
A 52-53 gr hollow point is always a solid choice. I've never shot a coyote with a Nosler 55gr ballistic tip. I think it would work fine though.
Here's the deal. Availability is always an issue ?
In the old days you just went out & got what ya wanted. Different game now.
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posted January 17, 2015 07:13 PM
Ain't that the truth seems like Berger discontinues there bullets faster than I can load them. Lol I bought 200 55 grain Berger hollow points target bullets to fireform in my Ackley then I bought five boxes of the 60 grain and 5 boxes of the 64 grain Bergers. Now I'll probably get 5 more boxes of each and call it good. That should last me for the rest of this barrel.
Good Hunting Chad
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Leonard
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posted January 17, 2015 07:37 PM
I used a lot of Sierra .224" bullets, the 53HP is probably the best. Also killed a lot of coyotes with the 55 Spitzer. However, they aren't as good as the 55 Nosler BT and Berger bullets are a great choice, if you can get them. I would try the 60gr. Berger, I doubt you would have to look any further? I'm still using a supply of the 62gr. Berger. (not a fur bullet, at my velocities)
But, an ideal situation would be what I get in my 22-250Ackley. Most always, I get a complete passthrough, exiting something on the order of a quarter? They hardly twitch a muscle.
I always used the 55VMax in my 223Ackley. Good accuracy and good killer. It was 2 1/2 years before I saw my first cripple. But, everybody has what they have confidence in. Yeah, those desert dogs are valuable.
But, what that reminds me of. I also developed a 40grVMax load just for cats. In 223AI.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: Berger discontinuing bullets. My guess is they are cheap bastards and won't replace a worn die, if it's not in a popular target bullet, which is their bread and butter.
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Dave Allen
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posted January 18, 2015 08:14 AM
Ya know over the last 4-5 years if, I see .224 bullets I usually buy a box or two.
So, I've wound up with some combo's I've never even used yet, an example would be just plain jane Hornady 55gr soft points. I see no reason why they wouldn't work just fine ?
I forgot to mention another one of my favorites. The Sierra 55gr spritzer, part #1365 its called a Gameking.
Good luck !!
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