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Leonard
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posted July 12, 2011 08:48 AM
I'm tapped out? I have been sitting here pondering this particular page and wondering how it got to this point and what, if anything to do about it?
Okay. Generally worthless commentary follows...
Cops are going to get jumped when they fuck up, probably disrespectfully so. If that bothers somebody, that's just too friggin' bad. I think defending questionable behavior will backfire, and has.
So, cops punch time clocks? I didn't know that?
gh....lb
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posted July 12, 2011 11:23 AM
What a horrific ordeal for him, he must be devistated...poor bastard.
LB, I'm more curious to know what you were searching for when you came across this little tidbit...exactly what keywords pulled up the article for the Viagra feeding Russian rapist??? LMAO!!!
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Ken
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posted July 12, 2011 12:05 PM
Sorry LB, punching the time clock for cops is a figure of speech. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
I meant they come to work and only have to do what they must, and they can't wait to punch out or leave for home on time.
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4949shooter
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posted July 12, 2011 03:33 PM
Ken, I expect these kind of comments you mention from the anti-police cross section of the public. I don't expect them from people I "hang out with," even if it is on internet forums. My friends don't act the way some do here. If they did, they wouldn't be my friends. And yes, I do have friends that aren't cops.
I thought you knew what I meant by my statement to you. You didn't question it in your first response, but for some reason you did in your second. After you called me, we both realized we obviously agree for the most part, ie, "speak the same language." Though we do have different experiences, you coming from a corrupt agency has understandably tainted your view toward law enforcement. My experiences have been different from yours, which allows me to have a more positive perspective. If you had worked for my agency for 20 years you might feel a bit differently today. Of course, I am bitter and cynical about things. We in LE are all to some extent. My wife has even noticed it. She made a comment to me last summer, as we have some LEO friends who work for the smaller departments around where we live. She tells me these friends don't have the same bitter attitude I do towards people, because working in small towns they don't deal with the same "caliber" of people I have dealt with for the extent of my career. To be honest, this observation from my wife surprised me, because I didn't even know she thought about these things. Pretty smart on her part, I must admit. I think I will keep her around for a while.
I will disagree with one thing you have said though. I don't feel it was necessary to post my credentials here. Yes, we must do it in court. However, I am not in court. Or am I?
[ July 12, 2011, 03:42 PM: Message edited by: 4949shooter ]
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4949shooter
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posted July 12, 2011 03:41 PM
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Cops are going to get jumped when they fuck up, probably disrespectfully so. If that bothers somebody, that's just too friggin' bad. I think defending questionable behavior will backfire, and has.
No problem Leonard. Like I have said, you and I don't see eye to eye on certain things. And that ain't gonna change, cuz I ain't gonna change.
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posted July 12, 2011 04:12 PM
49,
So then, have you always held a bitter attitude toward people? Or did your attitude change as a result of your experiences as an LEO?
From what you wrote, it sounds like you've become jaded over time?
Understandable, given your profession. But if that is indeed the case, is this evolution (change) in your attitude toward "caliber of people" you deal with continually eroding?
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4949shooter
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posted July 12, 2011 04:39 PM
I can't say for sure if I was bitter towards people prior to LE. I guess we would have to ask my parents that question. But there is no doubt that I became increasingly bitter towards people as my time on the job increased to a point. Then I reached a certain point in my job maturity where I began to mellow out some. I am not the same person now with over 22 years experience as I was when I had 5, 10, or 15 years. My LE friends have joked about how I have become more mellow over time.
Why do you ask, knockem?
[ July 12, 2011, 05:10 PM: Message edited by: 4949shooter ]
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posted July 12, 2011 05:19 PM
I ask because that 'jaded' mentality that you admit to developing over time "on the job" is more than likely not limited to only you. Likely, it is a common occurance amongst LEOs. I don't think its stretching to draw that conclusion?
Anyhoo, that 'jaded' outlook toward civilians is exactly what gets us turds all up in arms! And I think that type of attitude is directly resultant of that fella catching a Tasering in the video.
Had that LEO seen the situation for what it WAS, instead of going on 'jaded autopilot', that situtation never would have happened.
Cops have to deal with azzholes, crooks & criminals. But they also have to deal with otherwise law abiding civies, too.
If an LEO totes around a 'jaded' mentality with his badge, then guess who gets the short end of the stick as a result?
And if an LEO has a 'jaded' outlook, isn't it reasonable to assume that it could negatively affect his handling of a civilian interaction?
That's the whole point of speaking out against
the behavior in the video & the other situations discussed here.
So, one more question, for the record.
IF an LEO will admit he's 'jaded' toward people, how can that same LEO maintain that it doesn't affect how he performs his sworn duty to PROTECT & SERVE those very same people?
Could you possibly explain?
[ July 12, 2011, 05:20 PM: Message edited by: knockemdown ]
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posted July 12, 2011 05:27 PM
I've read every post on this thread and have'nt chimed in cuz i ai'nt got a dog in this fight but i think 4949 has handled himself purdy well.as for getting jaded over time?? i'll bet EVERY LEO has to some degree. they'de have to!!!!! i've been a opinionated person since i can remember. used to have some black,mexican,indian buddies. now i see black,mexican,indian and i damn near turn red. i've LEARNED that when i see one, i can bet their up to no good. at least around here. jaded, you bet. i would make a horrible LEO. .I hunt/fish with several officers. when they step away from the badge they talk JUST like me ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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posted July 12, 2011 06:13 PM
I swore I wasn't gonna bait the hook anymore but I have to make an observation to what we've learned here in this thread.
If you wear a badge;
You may call the little people names.
You have the right to kill someone if they point a gun at you.
You develop a jaded attitude and lump all little people in the same "turd" group.
If you don't wear a badge;
You may not call names or otherwise belittle the cops.
You must trust the cop pointing his gun at you even if you don't know he's a cop or why a group of men just broke into your house.
You must prove yourself non turdlike while being tazed in handcuffs.
Sound fair to anyone?
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4949shooter
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posted July 12, 2011 07:17 PM
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IF an LEO will admit he's 'jaded' toward people, how can that same LEO maintain that it doesn't affect how he performs his sworn duty to PROTECT & SERVE those very same people?
Could you possibly explain
Nope. You don't know me personally so there is nothing I can say or do to answer your rhetorical type question.
I am the big, bad police man. That's what you want to hear right?
Maybe some day you will have the pleasure or displeasure of meeting me. Until then, you can think whatever you want.
Edit: Toned down my post.
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4949shooter
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posted July 12, 2011 07:20 PM
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If you wear a badge;
You may call the little people names.
You have the right to kill someone if they point a gun at you.
You develop a jaded attitude and lump all little people in the same "turd" group.
If you don't wear a badge;
You may not call names or otherwise belittle the cops.
You must trust the cop pointing his gun at you even if you don't know he's a cop or why a group of men just broke into your house.
You must prove yourself non turdlike while being tazed in handcuffs.
Sound fair to anyone?
Lol sounds good Tom!
I am glad we are finally getting somewhere.
[ July 12, 2011, 07:49 PM: Message edited by: 4949shooter ]
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posted July 12, 2011 07:21 PM
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I've read every post on this thread and have'nt chimed in cuz i ai'nt got a dog in this fight but i think 4949 has handled himself purdy well
Thank you Bear.
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posted July 12, 2011 07:52 PM
Well I will say one thing about this place...it certainly has been entertaining!
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posted July 12, 2011 10:03 PM
Entertaining, insightful, and at times hurtful to those who are in actuality friends to some degree. By friends I mean we do share hunting and shooting and being men... not a bunch of women!
We will always have disagreements and we will never fully understand what a person is going through that triggers what gets said here.
I personally have several LEO friends that I would back up anytime and I also have LEO acquaintances that I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire... same goes for others in general.
I come here because I like to hear the arguing "OF" different viewpoints. I often come away with a little different outlook but I'm not changing for anyone and I don't expect any of you to change either.
When the shit really hits the fan I want to have folks like the ones here shooting with me and not at me... simple as that.
Time for a JD and cola! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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By friends I mean we do share hunting and shooting and being men... not a bunch of women!
No offense intended for the wonderful ladies that post here!!!
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posted July 12, 2011 11:09 PM
Good post Niko, but if I may be so bold as to make a suggestion......you should try Jim Beam black with a touch of Squirt. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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posted July 12, 2011 11:23 PM
I do enjoy my JD but I might give that a try.
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posted July 13, 2011 05:47 AM
Bear, I agree & think 49 has handled himself just fine.
49, Ya gotta stop looking at this as a 'witch hunt' against you. I'm not diggin' this info up to slap you in the face with, you're offering it up on a silver platter...
I'm trying to draw correlations to help us turds get a grasp on understanding police behavior. And you've been very insightful with sharing from your perspective. Gotta have two sides for a debate, you just happen to be on one side & I happen to be on the other...
And shucks, I wish you didn't pull the "you don't know me" crap. That sounds like something a dysfunctional Jerry Springer/Maury guest would scream back at a raucous audience.
You don't know me either, so WTF difference does it make?
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IF an LEO will admit he's 'jaded' toward people, how can that same LEO maintain that it doesn't affect how he performs his sworn duty to PROTECT & SERVE those very same people?
I asked that question because it seems there is a genuine conflict of interest I'm trying to address.
Although I wish you didn't, I can understand why you take this all so personally.
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I am the big, bad police man. That's what you want to hear right?
Ummm....NO?
I don't think you are a big, bad police man at all. Not by a long shot.
So listen to your wife & quit being so bitter, LOL!
B.T.W. If you recall, I extended an offer to hook up with you sometime for a coyote hunt. I just re-upped my PA furbearer's license. Could be fun & at the very least you might could figure some legal justification to TASER me along the way! ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Leonard
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posted July 13, 2011 07:16 AM
If you showed up at my house for a hunt, wearing that black thong; hell, I would taser you!
I agree that 49 does fine in comportment and spelling.
But in his choice of issues and the extreme lengths to arrive at justifications that always seems to exonerate bad behavior, I can admire his dedication, if not his predictable opinions.
Well, where would we be, without a little conflict, now and then?
gh....lb
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Ken
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posted July 13, 2011 10:43 AM
Nick in answer to your statement that I agreed with you about being bitter towards the system, you are correct, I did and do.
But with a little reflection on your statement, IF there was a suggestion or belief that my opinion should be taken with a grain of salt because of my bitterness, then I would say use caution on that premise. IF that is the case.
I might be bitter, but my eyes and ears are still good enough, I won't call BS on cops and their actions if the evidence is there to support their actions. I will not downplay obviously bad conduct or piss poor tactics just to back up the brotherhood, NEVER have.
IF that would make me less of a cop according to standards from other agencies, THEN I am guilty as charged.
If I was attempting to make a name for myself or screw with you, I would have done that long ago.
What I saw, and I will not budge on that opinion was your VERY clear pattern of saying the cops maybe screwed up, BUT the citizen is a TURD.
The TURD was out looking for trouble by tape recording or video taping the cops, or he or she should have obeyed commands, even though the commands MAY not have been lawful in the FIRST place. We will agree to disagree on all that.
Like I said the law may look at the perp as a TURD, but it won't always, especially in 2011 set aside bad police procedure or constitutional rights either.
Being stupid and an asshole is NOT a crime. BUT yes it might compound an exsisting problem. It will be decided on a case by case basis, not a blanket defense for bad behavior on the part of the police.
If I see someone trying to suggest otherwise it is my nature to call bullshit on that. BUT I will attempt to explain that call in greater detail than the one who gave a one or two line statement suggesting the cops or person is right or wrong.
Just like that video of the Judge going to his courtroom and is confronted by the guy asking the judge why he held someone in contempt of court for wearing a hat in his courtroom.
The judge lies his ass off saying the reporter THREATENED him. THAT type of conduct I have never tolerated or WILL EVER support.
IF anyone should try and explain that away whether an LEO or citizen I will call bullshit on that.
I don't give a shit if someone get's butt hurt by my comments, if their feelings get hurt and they feel their GOOD WORD is being attacked.
As to fellow cops or just friends in general, if your friends are your friends and paying attention to each other, they should be telling one there might be an obvious problem with your demeanor or character GOOD or BAD!!!
I am sorry to say that few cops had the balls or forsight to see a train wreck coming down the road with a fellow cop, whether it be bad behavior,alcohol abuse, and the worse case, SUICIDE.
Peer pressure among cops is a very strange topic all by itself. More peer pressure to keep your mouth shut, than to put down the booze or quit playing around behind the old ladies back, or quite bitch slapping the TURD!!
I do find it interesting that you have spent all this time in here with your prospectives and now you feel disrespected by some of the commentary by others.
When you do battle for whatever reason, your going to get wounded.
Again I am speaking on my personal observations and experience.
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posted July 13, 2011 11:46 AM
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But with a little reflection on your statement, IF there was a suggestion or belief that my opinion should be taken with a grain of salt because of my bitterness, then I would say use caution on that premise. IF that is the case.
Ken, my intention was not to put down your opinion. If this is the way I came off then I will offer my apologies.
Your experiences in law enforcement have admittedly tainted your view towards it. My experiences have caused me to feel a sense of loyalty towards other cops (admittedly). Sometimes you and I may be saying the same thing, albeit from different perspectives. I just want the guys here to understand this, because it may not be evident to those who cannot empathize with us.
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posted July 13, 2011 11:53 AM
Ken do you have one of those programs that types what you say?
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posted July 13, 2011 12:23 PM
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And shucks, I wish you didn't pull the "you don't know me" crap. That sounds like something a dysfunctional Jerry Springer/Maury guest would scream back at a raucous audience.
You don't know me either, so WTF difference does it make?
It matters because the internet isn't real, knockem. The impression you have of me, or some of the cops we have spoken of on the internet may be completely off base from what we are in real life. Some of those guys on the SWAT, or 'twat' team just might be normal guys with families. They may be guys who like to hunt, shoot, watch their boys' baseball games, their daughters' dance recitals, etc. They just might NOT be the SWAT team from the evil empire.
Now I do appreciate your offer to hunt. The fact is, I am somewhat of a loner and do my hunting alone. Once in a long while I may bring a new hunter with me, and the only other time I hunt with someone else is when my mother in law buys me a gamebird hunt at a club in upstate NY every year for my birthday. The guy who takes me on the hunt is a fine gentleman, but is in his eighties and is not safe with guns anymore. It is to the point that I absolutely will not take my boys hunting with him. I don't have the heart to hurt the guy's feelings, or my mother in law's feelings for that matter. So if you ever hear that I got an ear full of bird shot, this is probably where it came from. Maybe this is the mother in law's plan. Lol..
But if you are sincere about meeting me, I am a member of the Pocono Pistol Club in Stroudsburg. I would be more than happy to meet you there, talk some guns, and do some shooting.
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posted July 13, 2011 12:51 PM
No Dan, why?
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