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Topic: Buying a "can" is joke..
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Leonard
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posted June 02, 2014 07:27 AM
I concede all, Cal.
I have not hunted Wyoming very much but what I have seen, primarily southwestern, it is a lot like Nevada, wide open. Meaning that things that happen a quarter mile, (or more) away seems to have "intimacy" that just doesn't happen in Arizona or Mexico.
People don't understand that some of these places are way more brushy and there is a tunnel vision when you don't see a coyote approaching from much more than a hundred yards, if you are lucky.
I am not exaggerating. Coyotes romp out of the washes and look around with no spookiness, after several shots have been fired. They look like they have not a care in the world. The confining brush muffles the shot much in the same way as does a suppressor.
Think of it like a shotgun stand, all shots will begin inside of 100 yards and they keep popping out of the cover like they are deaf, didn't hear any shooting, at all.
I don't know? Maybe I'm exaggerating? I can see SOME advantage, especially the part where the sound doesn't seem to help in identifying the direction it's coming from. But, you know, hunting at night is the same phenomena, exactly the opposite effect as you might think. It's like throwing a cloud blanket over the stand and not allowing the shot to echo and bounce down the rocks like on a bright sunny day. Kinda hard to explain.
Bottom line, yes I can see the suppressor has some worth, in some applications. If it's worth it's weight in gold for some of you guys, that's great, especially when they are all right in front of you. But for many of my stands, they pop out of the brush one at a time and that's a different situation, one that in all honesty, has not given me that much trouble.
Then again, my experience is limited to one afternoon at the range, with a suppressed, full auto M4. Therefore, I can't say that I really know what I'm talking about?
Good hunting. El Bee
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Brent Parker
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posted June 03, 2014 06:01 AM
In my experience a suppressor has helped me. The first year I used one I shot more doubles than ever before. Several were in situations were I could see two coyotes at the same time. I run a dog on stand and I'm sure that distraction helps as well.
This weekend I shot two doubles and in both cases they were together. The second coyote ran off a few yards and looked at their partner.
Another benefit for the guys using a dog is that it saves our dogs ears as well.
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Leonard
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posted June 03, 2014 09:18 AM
That's a good point, had not thought about protecting your dogs ears. Of course, not everybody runs decoy dogs?
Way over on the south eastern AZ, it's a little more open and I didn't mean to imply that we never see two animals at the same time. However, it's just as typical to see them bursting out of brush one at a time, and typically acting like they didn't hear a gunshot.
Of course they did. edit: (hear it) They just seem to not let it affect them, or something? I will never know how many turned tail and split before I saw them after the lead animal went down? Can't prove that kind of negative.
I'm just not ready to jump on the bandwagon; GOTTA HAVE IT!
Good hunting El Bee
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Aznative
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posted June 09, 2014 05:33 AM
I always said to myself and to a few close friends that if I ever won the powerball that I was going to file a law suit against the AZ Game and Fish Depoartment under the ADA act. My hearing loss is well documented and I always wanted to use a silencer while hunting. One friend asked why don't you just wear electronic hearing protection. That way you can hear and protect. Yeh sure, in Arizona when it gets to 90 degrees by 10:00am I am going to wear hearing protection. Well it isn't necessary now that it is legal to use a can. Haven't bought one yet but probably will some day.
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posted June 09, 2014 08:58 AM
I picked up a Daniel Defense 10.5" 300 Blackout the other day, never cared much for all the hype trying to run it supersonic but subsonic it makes sense.
Slap a can on that thing and some night vision then start picking off hogs. Would be expensive but fun!
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Leonard
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posted June 09, 2014 11:38 AM
I'm a little concerned, Tom. I hope you are saving a little for retirement?
(signed) Jealous El Bee
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Duckdog
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posted June 09, 2014 04:10 PM
Quick question on cans in general...
Do you have to carry any special documents on you when hunting, or...really anytime to prove that you're "legal"?
I could potentially see an over zealous cop or warden go into full on freak out mode at some point.
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Fur_n_Dirt
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posted June 09, 2014 04:42 PM
Yes. In possesion you need paper work. Just can't walk around with a can in your hand. ;-)
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TOM64
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posted June 09, 2014 08:24 PM
Just dreaming Leonard, I wish I had the extra coin to splurge but sadly I do not.
Hey maybe we could do a fund raiser like they do on pm and we all could buy one?
Edit to clarify, when I said "picked up" I meant I just picked it up as the dealer was testing me. I promptly handed it back to him when I started counting coins.
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Aznative
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posted June 10, 2014 05:40 AM
What we need is for the DEms and Obama to pass the Affordable CAN Act. Otherwise known as the ACA.
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posted June 10, 2014 07:49 AM
What we REALLY need is for the Dem. Forces of Evil to be as enthusiastic about `.....shall not be infringed` as they were about `.....depends on what the definition of 'is' is.`
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posted June 10, 2014 07:53 AM
HEY;
Just noticed;
The Democratic Forces Of Evil.
a.k.a.
The Democratic F.O.E.
I crack myself up sometimes.
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Aaron Rhoades
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posted October 17, 2014 03:43 PM
TR, I'm going to suppress my .17-.204 and was wondering what can you went with?
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TRnCO
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posted October 18, 2014 05:44 AM
I've got the S.A.S./Suppressed Armament Systems 5.56/.223 Sentinel Ti model.
Lots of good suppressors to pick from. I'd suggest finding the closest dealer to you and going with what ever make and model he/she carries, and try to avoid having to transfer something different into his/her shop. That transfer alone adds to the headache of buying a can.
I went with the 5.56/.223 because 1)the .223 model is significantly shorter, smaller, and lighter than the .30 cal models. 2)I rarely shoot any of my larger than .22 cal guns, hence I wasn't worried about using it on every gun that I have. Size, weight, length were more important to me.
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Aaron Rhoades
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posted October 22, 2014 04:30 PM
TR, did anyone say anything to you about handling the greater pressure of the gun you are using it on compared to the .223? Only reason I ask is I called a suppressor shop and he said he is not sure a .223 can would handle the increased pressure of the .17-.204. How long have you had it? No problems? Ever have to clean it? Do you get any POI shift?
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TRnCO
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posted October 23, 2014 05:11 AM
I don't see how a .22 cal. suppressor with a .17 cal. bullet going through it will cause more pressure in the suppressor. Seems to me that a smaller bullet would allow more gases to escape, but that's just my thinking out loud. I'd think a .220 swift would create more pressure at the can than does the .17/204, for instance.
BUT, to answer your question, my dealer, who also has threaded all but one rifle for me, has never said anything to me about varying pressures from varying rifles being a problem. Basically was told that I could shoot any caliber through it that is .22 cal or smaller.
As far as cleaning, it was recommended to clean it about once a year because it can begin to build up carbon over time. Simply fill it with vinegar and let soak for a couple of days and rinse with warm water and allow to dry.
I'm in my 4th season with mine. Between shooting prairie dogs in the summer, and coyotes in the winter, I've probably got a couple thousand rds. through it now.
When you first mount the can on any rifle, you will have a small POI shift do to the change of barrel harmonics. Simply re-sight the rifle with the can on it, and you're good to go. I have many times taken the can off of one gun and screwed in onto another, and the POI stayed the same from one switch to the next. Don't have to re-sight each time you take it off and put it back on.
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Aaron Rhoades
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posted October 23, 2014 05:44 AM
Thanks TR.
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Aaron Rhoades
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posted October 23, 2014 06:43 PM
Sorry TR, one last question. What style mounting system did you use? The direct thread on or something different? Do you ever have to retighten it? I would like one that I can put on and never worry about it loosening and still retain accuracy.
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TRnCO
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posted October 27, 2014 08:19 AM
direct thread, and I've never had it come loose.
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Fur_n_Dirt
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posted November 13, 2014 07:36 PM
I got the call! I got my tax stamp, that's just shy of 6 months..
I pick up my can tomorrow..:-)
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Leonard
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posted November 15, 2014 12:38 PM
Probably double your kill.
Good hunting. El Bee
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Fur_n_Dirt
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posted November 15, 2014 05:41 PM
Oh, least double. Lol
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Aaron Rhoades
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posted November 15, 2014 08:54 PM
Does anyone know, do you have to physically pick up the suppressor from the store or can they ship it to you? Reason I ask is because I have been trying to get a suppressor for a couple months and the 1st shop either won't call me back or will call back several days later. So I tried another shop and they won't call back. Can I order over the phone from someone?
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Fur_n_Dirt
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posted November 16, 2014 06:35 AM
Well, here's a clue.
When went to the local store. I had to fill out a form like I was buying a freakin firearm (same questions) and they called me in for approval..
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posted November 16, 2014 06:37 AM
Oh, I just bought SUBSONIC for .223. I heard from folks that it sounds like a bb gun with three pumps. Ha ha
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