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knockemdown
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posted February 10, 2013 02:49 PM
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[Lets put it this way, the ones I do see or located have not run away from the caller being to loud so why would it be any different for the ones I don't see.
Yes, but what about all those other coyotes you never saw???
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As for home I have called more coyotes with the volume cranked up than with it at any other setting.. " thats why I use full volume", it produces coyotes on my stands and from what I've seen they just don't care how loud it is...
So how often do you try seeking in and calling softly to compare to the max. volume approach?
Tim, I'm waaaaaay behind the curve here, and just trying to understand your rationale. What if you sneak in on the wind and make a stand within 300yds of the cover that might hold a coyote? Do you still recommend blowing the house down?
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Kokopelli
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posted February 10, 2013 02:51 PM
Tim;
It would appear that we've tailored our hunting methods to our specific types of terrain. You're calling big in big country. In my terrain, I'm relying on several decades of bow hunting experience, moccasins, and lower call volume to take close ones. This past fur season I put several down with the shotgun at less than one minute. Things can happen pretty quick in the brush.
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posted February 10, 2013 03:19 PM
K "Too much B.S. on other threads."
And now, there's too much B.S. in this one. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
What's next, the Minnesota Campus of the Predator University? ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Cdog911
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posted February 10, 2013 03:20 PM
I am all but deaf in one ear and can hardly hear outta the other one, so it beats the shit outta me just how lou nd my caller is running most stands. Having said that, I hit the first sound and start advancing the volume. Maybe half-full on the first series, and balls to the wall after that. Have had coyotes run the caller over when they got past the first barrage of lead, so I don't know that my coyotes give two shits. LOL Now, I may be wrong. I lost count of how many we've seen this year, and only 90 of them have died since October 1. I must be doing something wrong.
Help?
Oh, and if I said anything that offended anyone, I'm supposed to put this >>> . Right?
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posted February 10, 2013 04:55 PM
T.A., you really are an opinionated yoyo. I'd bet that Rich Cronk has forgotten more about calling coyotes than you will ever know or forget.
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TA17Rem
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posted February 10, 2013 04:59 PM
Yeah Trapper must be tuff sneaking in on them with all that snow..
Cal.. Not struggleing with my coyotes. I call and kill the ones that canbe called and killed and just kill the rest by other means same as you with your traps and helicopter...
Al: Rich can make some good howlers but thats all I'm giveing him credit for. He started calling coyotes late in his life and not much calling exsperiance to go with it.. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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posted February 10, 2013 05:22 PM
When TA passes on to the big coyote pasture in the sky, or is burning in hell, what will ppl do with their time?
I turn my caller up to 11 and never look back. I make sure I scare any close coyotes out by tromping into stands.
Mr. Cronk posted some of his credentials on another site, some time ago, he's got some great calling skill and coyote knowledge to go with his howler and distress calls business.
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posted February 10, 2013 05:48 PM
"Rich the more I read your posts the more I learn. I've learned you truely don't know shit about calling let alone coyotes...Perhaps thats why you struggle so much with your coyotes."
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Your memory is worse than your hearing. Even at my advanced age I can remember when you could not even call ONE coyote in your home state, so you were chasing them with pickup trucks and the help of "the crew" It wasn't until you got help from Scott H. and Randy R and they helped you get permission in South Dakota did you begin to call coyotes. I had called and killed a hell of a lot of coyotes before I even HEARD of the stupid one from Meenasoteee. Now you talk like as though you are KING of the callers. I have called and killed coyotes in Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Wyoming, Texas and more. I have likely forgotten more about coyotes than idiots like you will ever even learn. Why? Because you think you know it all, and you are not willing to listen to guys who are REAL coyote men. Rave on Timmy boy, but nobody is listening.
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Cdog911
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posted February 10, 2013 06:03 PM
I think I'll continue to do what works for me and not lose any sleep over how the rest of you do.
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TA17Rem
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posted February 10, 2013 06:04 PM
Rich I was calling and killing coyotes way before I joined this site and before I met up with Scott or Randy.. Both of them just helped me to do it better and not take so much for granted.. As for the areas I hunt in S.D. I found them on my own back in the early 80's, ask either one of the two mentioned...
I strive to get better at it where most here don't, they just get set in there ways and thing thats the only way to do it...LOL
Edit to add: I agree Lance..... ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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posted February 10, 2013 06:22 PM
Tim, You are definitely a Legend in your own Mind.
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TA17Rem
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posted February 10, 2013 07:00 PM
Nope! Just in your's....LOL
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posted February 10, 2013 08:02 PM
what snow are you talking about tim, dry as a powder house here
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TA17Rem
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posted February 10, 2013 08:41 PM
Yep and I see you missed one of my posts where I said its pretty tough to sneak up on a coyote with snow on the ground vrs. a area with no snow...
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posted February 11, 2013 08:48 AM
Ya'll realize that if WT makes a video that says less volume is more, then Timmy will jump ship right? More or less, I let the terrain dictate how much volume to play. When it's uber-cold, the sounds sure to carry farther, so I tune it down a bit. Everybody has their favorite flavor of Kool-Aid.
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posted February 11, 2013 01:48 PM
Tim, it looks like you are calling on the friggin' Moon. And ya may as well be, since that wide open country sucks volume up like a sponge. Heck, even a high powered rifle sounds like a pop gun in that vast expanse. So I'm failing to see how calling on max. volume in the in the wide open can be compared to calling in/near cover at the same volume range.
So...what about calling IN or very near thick cover where soundwaves are reverberating all over the place?
Have you given any thought as to keeping volume lower in thick cover, so as not to alert an animal down the road @ the next potential stand location? OR, would you rather proclaim your existence & location to every coyote in the county on your 1st stand by lettin' it rip?
Remember, some of us don't have bazillions of acres of Moonscape to pummel in a day's calling
Remember, some of us are focusing our efforts in a relatively small area and trying to call any predators from a certain patch of said area.
This is why I don't think that recommending using blaring volume ALL THE TIME is a wise decision. Comprehende?
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TA17Rem
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posted February 11, 2013 03:08 PM
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Have you given any thought as to keeping volume lower in thick cover, so as not to alert an animal down the road @ the next potential stand location?
I do most of my calling at night now, its more productive and my coyotes are more eager to respond from another section of land vrs. day time calling..
Now if you or someone was asking for advice I would just say try it either way and see what works for you as I already know what works here for me..
Oh and the little echo effect just confuses them on where the sound is comeing from, from what I have seen so I don't worry about it...
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Dennis Kirk has a sound out there that is a recorded bird in distress with echo effects added to the sound,(super bird)and has called in many coyotes for me when something different was needed.......
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posted February 11, 2013 04:58 PM
no i didnt miss the post, i had alot of snow in neb and could still slip in and call them, just different ways folks do it, but i will give you credit, you are the best of the best, or so i have read, but i will still do what works for me and my style of hunting
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TA17Rem
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posted February 11, 2013 05:35 PM
There you go Trapper, your well on your way of becomeing your own man..
I don't think this thread was directed at just you directly, but to all the members...
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TA17Rem
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posted February 11, 2013 05:46 PM
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since that wide open country sucks volume up like a sponge.
How do you know that for certain? Have you come up with a way to test and back up this thoery??
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Remember, some of us don't have bazillions of acres of Moonscape to pummel in a day's calling
Try knocking on more doors.. Thats how I do it. If you do a good enough job some of the land owners will pass your name on to others which equals more land access. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Yes, but what about all those other coyotes you never saw???
How do you know if there were other coyotes, and if there was, how do you know if I saw them or not??
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How can you be certain that your loud calling did not have the opposite effect on any coyotes within earshot?
How can you be certain it did???
Remember the movie "Ghosts of the darkness"
towards the end of the movie one of the actors says "They are just lions"
In this case they are just coyotes...
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posted February 11, 2013 08:13 PM
This has been a wonderful week, only blanked on two stands of all Ive made. Been doing it rather primitive, using only a rifle; 18" barreled .17 mach4, with small compact 1.5X6 glass with big bold crosshair,a call and a stool.
No big boomers with VLD bullets or oversized glass. No shooting sticks,no bogpods,no dogs, no blockers no decoys,no barks or howls. Just good country, walk in, sit down and call.....lifes good.
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posted February 11, 2013 09:08 PM
How about emailing me Vic? I'm in El Paso and will be passing through your area possibly Tuesday or Wed.
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posted February 11, 2013 10:06 PM
Hey Vic, I used some of Cal's vocals on this one, lil ol 204 in a sub 7lb gun, dropped on the run no less but I was using a pole cat for a rest.
Did order a vx6, 1-6 for a machine gun though.
Seems to be lots of flared tempers and bruised egos on the net lately. Glad this shit is just for fun.
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TA17Rem
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posted February 11, 2013 11:35 PM
Nice coyote guys..
I brought a couple of scopes home from Scheels today along with some bullets, also had a chance to look at the F-P calls and picked up the prarie blaster and looked it over ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) and then put it back down and walked away... LOL
Picked up a pair of boots for Copper also and some salmon oil..
Also had a chance to look over one of those power boosters that you use with a red-dot scope. I think Jimmy uses one on his black rifle.. Well built and can see where it would be handy at times....
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Seems to be lots of flared tempers and bruised egos on the net lately. Glad this shit is just for fun.
Yep.. I saw that Duane got the boot at P.M who by the way Mod.s for the dog forum...
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