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csmithers
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posted June 15, 2011 08:54 AM
Grand View Outdoors just posted a bunch of videos yesterday. Here is a link to Jason Groseclose in the Finals. The others are listed. One of the guys on here asked about them so, here's the link...
Predator Calling Championship Finals
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TA17Rem
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posted June 15, 2011 10:05 AM
Thanks for the Link, that was pretty cool..
Question: How many coyotes do these guys call in every year? must be in the thousands!
do they also prance back and fourth when on stand????
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Leonard
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posted June 15, 2011 10:19 AM
Yeah, I bet you liked that!
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csmithers
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posted June 15, 2011 10:31 AM
The only one I KNOW calls them in is Al Morris. The others I don't know about.
I'm not a fan of the "strutting". I'd sit down in front of the table and "toot on a whistle" like I was on stand.
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Leonard
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posted June 15, 2011 10:43 AM
I'm wondering if the judges were under that blue stuff and the contestant was blowing notes directly at each one of them?
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Ken
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posted June 15, 2011 12:24 PM
Cool sounds indeed. Would love to see first hand how these sounds work in my area.
I just hope and I am sure Jason does not move around like that on stand. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) Don't get butt hurt anyone just joking.
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Lone Howl
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posted June 15, 2011 01:01 PM
The moving around thing is irritating, but I have to admit, Ive caught myself doing it, practicing or tuning calls.
They all sounded fantastic, and I love these contests, especially in this era of e-call madness, seems like handcalling is becoming a lost art almost.
One of my favorite sounds is pup distress, they all sounded great, but I was partial to Fry's version of it.
Moody is a machine, loved his bird distress.
Mark
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Leonard
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posted June 15, 2011 01:07 PM
You know who is a very excellent caller? Gerald Stewart. I have hunted with him at night and he can do a lot with a Johnny Stewart production call. I would need 5 or 6 including a diaphragm to approximate what he can do with one bite call.
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csmithers
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posted June 15, 2011 01:28 PM
Well, if Moody is in fact, "a machine", as you suggest, he should be disqualified. Are you accusing him of not being HUMAN!? I call for further investigation... ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
I heard a guy say Moody uses a machine. Don't tell anyone you heard it from me. Pass it along...
I heard Moody uses a robotic stand in. Some sorta machine. No wonders he wins. Geez...
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Lone Howl
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posted June 15, 2011 01:52 PM
LB, I believe it.
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the bearhunter
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posted June 15, 2011 05:03 PM
thats good stuff!!. something you don't hear much about is a diaphram??. anybody care to explain when/how to use one?? are they hard to master??. benifits??.
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TA17Rem
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posted June 15, 2011 05:20 PM
More life like sounding, but very poor volume..
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csmithers
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posted June 15, 2011 05:30 PM
Bearhunter, it takes some practice to get it down. I'm not gonna lie and say you'll try it and be able to do howls and pup distress or prey distress right away. It may take you six minutes or six days.
I use a diaphragm made for calling elk to do howls and such. Out of all the different ones available, that are not predator specific, I have found them to make the best howls. I use them sparingly.
The Warden is supposedly a die hard diaphragm caller. I'm sure he'll check in.
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jasonpredhunter
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posted June 15, 2011 06:36 PM
I'm glad they finally put those videos up. To answer a few questions and comments....First, about the walking back and forth. The judges are seated under you under the cloth, so you try to direct the sound towards the judges. If you just stood there in one spot, in a building like that with NO acoustics, it would totally change the sound of the call. I want them to hear the sound as soon as it comes out of my mouth, not after it's reverberated all around a huge expo room. I hear people all the time criticizing the walking around part, but that's part of competition calling, if you wanna win, you do it!
About the diaphragm calls...I called the entire competition with diaphragm calls. Specifically, TC Custom Predator Diaphragms out of arkansas. He makes howlers and distress diaphragms, and I did every sound with one. I just got most of the diaphragms I used the day before the competition, so they don't take a whole lot to learn. I think on all the howls, I was using a 2 reed Hi-Pitch howler if I remember correctly.
Also, I don't kill thousands of coyotes, but I do kill my fair share. It's kind of like the guys that win the turkey contests, then you hear everyone saying, I bet they never kill a turkey or a real turkey doesn't sound that good so why do I need to?? I put down as much fur in my neck of the woods as most, and 95% only use mouthcalls. Maybe we all aren't the top killer's in the country, but this ain't no killing competition, it's a calling competition. They have the killing competition's too.
If you guys ever get the chance, you should come check out one of the calling contests. It's different and very cool to hear each contestants version of sounds and how they use their calls. No two people sound the same and it's great to learn from other people. I entered my first one last year, and enjoy doing it.
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Semp
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posted June 15, 2011 07:58 PM
Thanks for that link. I've been looking for those videos.
Hey Jason, some guy named "dickyoung100" hammered you with his comment. He posted it about 4 hours ago. Sounds like one of the PM jerk offs.
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Leonard
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posted June 15, 2011 08:38 PM
I judged a calling contest a couple years ago. The Professor was entered. He did okay, but he made a strategic mistake. He said he didn't have a couple sounds and did not even make an attempt. I told him that was probably why he didn't win because he got zero points in 50% of the categories.
He seemed surprised that I gave points to anybody that made an attempt at all the sounds but he thought that since he did an extra good job on some sounds, that the judges might award him bonus points.
Bottom line; it helps to have a good grasp of the format.
In that contest, the contestants performed their whole routine one time, they didn't break it up for each sound, but the one that Jason won was probably a better format. But, I wasn't there.
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posted June 16, 2011 05:34 AM
Semp, I think dickyoung stalks him on YouTube.
Ernie Wilson sounded good using his calls.
. I'm not sure anyone doing a jackrabbit distress sounded anything different than a cottontail. I would have thought they would have done it "throatier" and slower. But, I've never killed one with my own hands so... maybe they're right and I'm wrong.
Edit: John Paul Moody's jackrabbit was good.
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jasonpredhunter
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posted June 16, 2011 03:49 PM
Yeah, the dickyoung guy is pretty much a "wannabe" that's jealous is all I can figure. Pretty much a stalker. I know who it is, it's a ole redneck by the name of (---- ----), and I get a laugh out of it anymore. Some guys I know did an IP address trace and traced it back to him. It's pretty comical I think. I guess he goes by the name "Dick Young" because he looks in the mirror everyday and see's at age 40, his dick still looks like it did when he was 10, therefore young dick. Oh well, I wouldn't be posting on the internet about that though.
He used to be a "big man" and moderator over on PM, but they kicked him off rather abruptly once they figured out what a piece of trash he was. I heard he just got out of jail here recently. He's pretty much a joke in everyone's eye's that know him around here. That kind of stuff just makes me laugh anymore though, I got a life and WAY too much other stuff to worry about....Hate me or not, I see he like's watching my video's ALOT! Must be trying to learn a thing or two, he needs it! LOL
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jasonpredhunter
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posted June 16, 2011 03:59 PM
Hey guys, Here is a link to the 2011 East Coast Predator Showdown up in Pennsylvania at that big outdoor show they have up there. I was lucky enough to win this one. I used all TC diaphragms in this competition too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry-g0qe__Ak&feature=share
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the bearhunter
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posted June 16, 2011 04:27 PM
i'm not real computer savey and could prolly find a link if i tried hard, but would you show us how a diaphram works?? i've never seen how its done
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posted June 16, 2011 04:29 PM
edied to add:. you" "HEARD" he just gotta outta jail?? tisk-tisk. could be a rumor and you know what that does?? ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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posted June 16, 2011 05:01 PM
I feel sure Jason is talking about Torry Cooke who sells diaphragm predator calls. He makes several custom units and I've heard nothing but good about them. He advertised where most of you never go, but you can do a search for TC Custom Predator Calls and find a link.
A regular turkey diaphragm is good for rabbit distress, pup distress, and howling. If you use a megaphone type extension, it really reaches out there.
Kudos to you Jason on your success.
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TA17Rem
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posted June 16, 2011 05:53 PM
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. If you use a megaphone type extension, it really reaches out there.
Farther than a open reed howler??????
I've heard a few being used and was'nt impressed with how loud they are, they do sound good though...
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Leonard
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posted June 16, 2011 06:09 PM
I don't know why some people claim a diaphragm isn't loud, and most of them have never heard one used properly?
As far as how to use it, well...
you put it in your mouth with the latex part tucked in behind your top front teeth and hold it against the roof of your mouth with your tongue.
For some, it triggers a gag reflex and some others, (like me) it kinda tickles. There is a lot you can do by pursing your lips and by moving your lower lip, and by moving it around a little with your tongue, forward and backwards. It's easy to blow and on the other hand, can require a lot of lung for volume. Definitely helps volume to blow harder and it's surprising the coaxing that can be done by very low pressure.
I don't use a horn as a megaphone, I just cup my hands. I do not see a more versatile type of call in existence? Not to mention the hands free, when shooting or more commonly, while working a light.
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jasonpredhunter
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posted June 16, 2011 06:32 PM
I agree 100% Leonard. I think the volume issue some guys have is probably operator error. It's all about the tongue pressure you put on the call, the reed thickness of the call, how many reeds, and the position of the diaphragm in your mouth that determines volume. They will get as loud as any call out there if you need them too. If you watch the link of the East Coast Predator Showdown, you can tell the volume I'm getting out of the diaphragms I'm using. I've tried about every call out there at some point and time, and honestly can say hands down, I'll never use another open reed call again. I can't see any situation I would. Like Leonard said, it's hands free, MORE than enough volume for any hunting situation I've ever been in, low volume for coaxing situations, and best of all, it's hands-free. They are what I use 90-95% of the time, the rest of the time I use an e-call because in certain situations, they just work better. My problem is I live in an area where predators have heard EVERY foxpro sound out there and are educated beyond belief. I can take a diaphragm out there and call those spots and have success where otherwise I would have come up short.
Possumal is right, the calls I use are made by Torry Cook out of Arkansas. He owns TC Custom Calls and only makes turkey and predator diaphragms. Some think that the turkey and predator diaphragms are the same, but Torry does his totally different. The types of latex, the cuts and the stretches are totally different. I can make predator sounds with a turkey call, but nowhere close to what I can with one voiced specifically for predators. We test calls continuosly looking for the right cuts for certain sounds, and it takes time but Torry has a line of calls out now that are hard to beat. I'm not sure how you're advertising products policy works, because I'm not in any way wanting or trying to do that or infringe on anything, but if any of ya'll are interested I could get you his number if that's ok with Leonard.
Bearhunter, as far as how it works, Leonard pretty much sum's it up. As to a demonstration, here's a link of what they sound like after following Leonard's instructions as posted before:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry-g0qe__Ak&feature=share
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