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Topic: 2011 Predator Calling Championship Videos
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TA17Rem
Hello, I'm the legendary Tim Anderson, Field Marshall, Southern Minneesota Sector
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posted June 16, 2011 07:19 PM
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I don't know why some people claim a diaphragm isn't loud, and most of them have never heard one used properly?
Well if thats the case I hope more callers switch over to useing them.. More coyotes for me.. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Call makers that make short barrel calls always claim there call is super loud.. Why is that???
Like I said I've heard them before and I'm not buying it.. One of the callers that I heard use one goes by the name unknown, I think he is famous now , don't hear much about him... ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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csmithers
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posted June 16, 2011 07:28 PM
Bearhunter, here's a video on elk bugling. Very similar and should give you an idea on how to use one.
Diaphragm instruction
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Leonard
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posted June 16, 2011 07:52 PM
I don't have any restrictions on links for products that our membership would be interested in, as long as it's hunting related or firearm related, stuff like that. We had a jerk last week that posted a porn link and that got him suspended. Other than that, I am pretty liberal. As long as it has some legit interest, you can post anything you want.
I'm not real fussy about reeds, I can make just about any of them work, in a pinch.
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Leonard
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posted June 16, 2011 07:59 PM
Tim, you don't have to "buy" it. I could care less. I'm just trying to correct some bad info and if you choose not to believe me, you can kiss my ass.
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TA17Rem
Hello, I'm the legendary Tim Anderson, Field Marshall, Southern Minneesota Sector
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posted June 16, 2011 08:35 PM
Sorry leonard, just saying is all..
I already have a few of them I won in a contest so I'm not looking to buy any..
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Leonard
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posted June 16, 2011 08:48 PM
Let's just say that you don't know enough about the subject to be entitled to an opinion.
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the bearhunter
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posted June 17, 2011 02:54 AM
thanks Jason/Smithers. looks like i got some learning to do. that elk guy was fabulous. after i get learned up, i'm gonna hit Tims area and clean up on the W/T educated dogs ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Cayotaytalker
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posted June 17, 2011 08:07 AM
I never put the diaphragm behind my teeth.The line that someone wrote tucked in behind your front teeth has me a bit lost.But for me it's the roof of the mouth but I guess that's still be hind the teeth.The placement of the diaphragm might be more like to each his on.Or each person might find there on sweet spot as far as placement of the diaphragm go's.
The first person I ever saw and heard use a diaphragm is a guy by the name of Bill Bynum on an old Knight and Hale VHS tape.
He would make his rabbit sounds by saying the word we or we- weeee- weeeeeee. Not unlike saying chick chick chick to get a turkey sound.
I get my howl by saying hook-hook who wheeeeee.
Just a day or two ago as had a mind of laying down some new howls with some of my diaphragms. But ended up recording my nine year old gran son in stead.Coby ended up with two of my calls and a diaphragm's.He's been trying like heck to make some sounds. I told him to say words to get his sounds,so he just tries to talk,so it's not easy to explain that part I guess.
There are times I say words and other times I just make the sounds.
I can make a cat sound,howls rabbit,hurt pup,yips and howls or group howl.
Trust me a diaphragm is more than loud enough,or at least the coyotes will here it.
I my self do not use a horn,just never thought of it. I do use my hand in front of my mouth same as a hand call.
If there is someone out there that needs more volume just make some recordings then clean or fix them up and load them on to your e-caller.
As far as tips far the care of a diaphragm I like to keep a cup of water close by to rise them if I'm here at the house.Plus I like to rinse them and let them dry be fore I put them away.I try not to leave them in the truck or even get to hot.In other words if a guy thinks he can just toss a diaphragm up on the dashboard of his truck and let it rattle around there all summer. And then come fall use it for turkey season it won't happen.
I called my first coyote with a diaphragm.I did not kill it my rifle was in the truck I was just seeing if any thing would howl back is all.That was be for I knew coyotes would come into a lone howl.
Smithers thanks for getting this topic going.
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George Ackley
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posted June 17, 2011 08:57 AM
my opinion is this, only a couple guys there I think sounded good enough to be on the stage.
some of the callers there I don't think would have even been in the running if there were more contestants .
they all sounded good, but I also think they were 100 out classes by the other's
I do congratulate them for doing the contest but they need some work on there calling before they run with the likes of guys sounding like Jason.
but they did all put out the afford and congrats to them for that
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csmithers
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posted June 17, 2011 09:00 AM
I know that Cayotaytalker, Mr. Cronk and myself like to record sounds and mess with them. I have probably 1000 different sounds on my computer that I have recorded, cleaned and mutated. Whether they are with hand calls, diaphragm's or voice, it's fun to make the sounds and then see what you can do with 'em using computer programs.
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Cayotaytalker
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posted June 17, 2011 09:38 AM
Jason has some skill's for sure.How ever I had to listen hard to Jason because of the room they were in.There are a few guys out there that kick ass.This spelling might be wrong but Crinner is one E.Wilson and like him or not Rich Higgins and his son.
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tlbradford
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posted June 17, 2011 11:41 AM
I hate to pimp anything Primos, but their diaphragm's with the little plastic dome are pretty awesome. It is a lot easier to get a consistent spot for the call to sit in your mouth, it resists bending out of shape, and it is loud.
If diaphragm's weren't loud than elk hunters wouldn't use them as a locator.
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Cayotaytalker
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posted June 17, 2011 12:52 PM
I have three primos calls. The hot dog howler which is the one that hangs around my neck.the kiyi call it's not so bad. And the cat nip it's makes a good rabbit.There are some guys that don't care for Randy Anderson or for Primos calls not sure why,and don't really give one.
I guess there OK for an off the shelf product.
I never have been much of a leg humper my self,But will toss a name out here and there.
I only have three custom made calls,one howler that came from the north west,one of my home made ones and one that works very well That I got from NV Walt.The NV Walt call makes one of the best rabbit sounds I have ever made with a hand call.I used that call to make my self a few recordings to use on my e-caller. They sound very life like.That is one of the calls that hangs around my neck.
I guess I could just say heres what I take with me. Hotdog howler, NV Walt hand call,primos cat nip bite'er.And sometimes I ditch the cat nip for a Sceery bite'er.
How ever I do like to here what brands or custom calls you other guys use.
I think almost any diaphragm can work. But of course some have got to be better than others.
The ones from Bass Pro Shop,the redhead pack of the red ones. They bill them as for turkeys.I got a shit load from one of the camp outs by Dutch Boy they were a bit of a hit and miss. But still some were good enough.
By far the best one to date that I have used is the Mini Mag it's green and has a real good all around pitch. It's made by Dutch Boy also. The Mini Mag will make some nice howls and a very good rabbit as well.
Not sure if you can put a diaphragm in upside down or not.I my self put them in make a few sounds and turn it over and make a few more sounds.And then pick a side if any of the my diaphragms strat to curve to the shape of the roof of my mouth well than good.
One more tip I have is for any one that thinks there to big or to odd to have in your mouth, just cut them down a little.
Do I think they were ment to replace a good hand call or howler no I do not. But they have there place.
Hey Jason if you have any tips I would like to hear them.
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Lone Howl
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posted June 17, 2011 03:11 PM
I agree on the NV Walt call, I have one he sent me years ago and it is one of, if not the, best sounding closed reeds Ive ever had.
Mark
[ June 17, 2011, 03:11 PM: Message edited by: Lone Howl ]
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CrossJ
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posted June 17, 2011 04:45 PM
Yep, Steve C uses one. He sounds real good to my ears. I know he has called and killed coyotes using it, which I think is the point. More so than appeasing a panel of judges.(no offence Jason)
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I'm not buying it.. One of the callers that I heard use one goes by the name unknown, I think he is famous now , don't hear much about him...
True Tim, he does not share the same internet notoriety you do!
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Leonard
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posted June 17, 2011 05:55 PM
Don't know why that "unknown" comment whizzed right over my head and I coined the term!
As I have said a gazillion times before, anybody, a rank amateur can call a coyote with a handcall. Hard to believe, but true.
No offense to Jason either, okay? But, sounding real good to human judges is not the purpose. It's fun and all that, but will a calling champion call a lot more coyotes than a little kid that just honks on it without any technique? Probably.
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George Ackley
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posted June 17, 2011 08:31 PM
To be a world class caller and be able to make the sound as realistic as some do you need to have a grasp on the critter your attempting to sound like.
To kill the critter in a hunting scenario you need also have a grasp on the sounds that will trick them into making a mistake that puts them in the cross hairs.
So yea a rank amateur can call a coyote with a hand call. but consistently I think not.
it may be done behind the locked gate of a privet ranch or in coyote rich country but, to be consistent in killing predators in most of the country you will need your calling to be top notch. along with all the other skills need to consistently kill predators were most cant.
In my opinion anyway .
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there is more then enough room in anyone of my camps in the northeast for anyone to come and show me different
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TOM64
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posted June 17, 2011 09:52 PM
I seem to recall, that Ed Sceery said in his video that howling with his megaphone and a diaphram call sounded better to human ears.
But using the open reed call and megaphone got more results from the coyotes themselves.
I don't have a VHS machine to check if that is right, anyone care to comment?
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Leonard
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posted June 17, 2011 10:55 PM
When we are talking coyotes, it is very difficult to deal in absolutes.
Now, I certainly agree with what big George said, but I have seen a rank amateur call a coyote with a handcall by just honking on it like a blithering idiot. If the planets are aligned properly, calling a dumb coyote is fairly easy.
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Dave Allen
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posted June 17, 2011 11:15 PM
Tom, are talking about Ed's howling for coyotes, video ? I have it, and still have a VHS player.
I'll try and check it out if you would like ?
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CrossJ
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posted June 18, 2011 06:26 AM
Well, I kinda disagree with George. Maybe its his use of "World Class". A for instance; based on Georges description of world class, the top five callers in these bigger contests will consistantly call in and kill more coyotes than the other callers? Has anyone heard Ed Wimberly use his hand calls? The sounds are good, but simplistic....no fancy crap. He calls and kills lots of coyotes using mostly hand calls(he does have a new e caller though). I mean seriously, world class status is being determined by human ears judging a sound intended for canine ears. Those canine ears will be hearing at levels much more sensitive than any humans, and those sounds will be triggering inate responses we can only try to understand. So, until a caller on stage drives a judge to run up on stage and hump his leg, rip out his throat, or cock his leg on the podium and do a series of kick scratches; its just a 'musical instrument' contest like 3toes said.
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csmithers
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posted June 18, 2011 06:43 AM
CrossJ, I hope the cameras are rolling when the leg humping begins. They can shut down when the judge decides to drop a double on stage from the excitement...
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Cayotaytalker
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posted June 18, 2011 07:06 AM
Hey guys It turns out I do not use any diaphrams by Dutch Boy. The diaphrams I do have were made by Quaker Boy.
Dutch Boy is a brand of paint! I guess you guys knew what I meant.
for the ones that did not know can stop looking for dutch Boy Calling gear.
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TOM64
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posted June 18, 2011 07:21 AM
Dave, I think that's the one. I got it with a howler he was selling as a package deal years ago.
I'm almost certain he said everyone thought the diaphram call sounded better, especially up close but the coyotes answered the open reed better, or from off in a distance the open reed sounded better.
I don't have the video (or the howler) now to check for sure.
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Cayotaytalker
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posted June 18, 2011 08:00 AM
I use the Sceery AP-6.I think it's just like having three calls with you just in one call.
I have never done it in the field,but I can howl with one. And have made my on recording of the howl. I have not ever put it to the test.I guess it would work just fine,it's a lone howl but soft and a bit faint.With out the sharp edge or harsh like most recorded howls.
I guess my point is there is just so much you can do with hand calls.
And for you guys that have some old VHS tapes around that are good ones you might want to convert them over to disc. And for any old cassette tapes you have on hand convert them as well.because there will be a time when you cant buy them even off the net.
If you have room keep them indoors,not in some out building.
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