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booger
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posted September 01, 2015 05:17 AM
A while back, I posted a topic about my .223 CZ not shooting groups, but patterns.
I am happy to say that it was the scope that was jacked up. Vortex scope has been returned to me in working order, and in the mean time, I mounted a new scope, scrubbed the bore, and handed the rifle off to a disinterested 3rd party to wring it out.
He sent me a pic of a target from last Saturday morning of a 1/2" group. Group shot with $7.99 PMC 55 gr. FMJ's...now, I will have to get down to see what kind of coyote 'friendly' bullet it will shoot.
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posted September 01, 2015 07:02 AM
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posted September 01, 2015 10:21 AM
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Yeah, and don't hesitate to change scopes, if nothing else seems apparent?
Anytime you have 18" groups, it just about has to be a scope problem. Mechanically, you could blow dried peas out a bore without rifling and still get inside 18". But, if the crosshair erectors come lose, there is almost no limit.
Vortex seems to have a good reputation? I'd be interested to know exactly what happened and if the construction is reliable, henceforth. At least the warranty is good.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted September 01, 2015 10:51 AM
LB,
I think that when the scope was mounted, the rings were not tall enough for the stock bolt handle.
In working the bolt handle, the scope was put in a bind and methinks it broke something loose in the innards.
I had to get a slimmer bolt handle from CZ, and that stopped the binding problem, but I believe the damage had already been done before I was presented the rifle.
The Vortex people were awesome! Great communication and the responded to emails very promptly.
At any rate, the new Vortex scope is going on my Savage .22 magnum!
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posted September 01, 2015 11:18 AM
Glad ya got it sorted out, Tim!
Not surprised to learn of another low end Vortex shitting the bed. Their warranty service is well reputed to be excellent. But rest assured, that excellent service & cost of a replacement scope is likely already factored into the retail price...
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posted September 01, 2015 12:30 PM
That kinda reminds me of how tired I used to get of hearing how great Leupold warranty service was. I'd much rather hear one story, in a great while, about sending a scope back and how the company were dicks, than to hear a new story every other day about a scope needing to go back and how "wonderful" the service is.
I know I sent back a handful of Leupold's, some of them two, three times before they got it right. Always courteous, prompt, professional, but not always particularly competent.
I'm funny that way though... Kind of like, when it comes to specialty dealers or skilled tradesman, I'd rather deal with an ornery prick that knows what he's talking about than a "really nice guy" that obviously doesn't know shit from apple butter.
But on the 'net, it's the really nice guy that usually gets all the praise. Never mind he doesn't know his own business. There is a suppressor dealer, that has run me right off, trying to be nice and helpful, but showing a profound lack of understanding for basic accuracy principles in the process. I wouldn't but a Red Rider BB gun from him. Seems like a nice guy though!
I'm drifting, aren't I?
Glad it's taken care of!
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posted September 01, 2015 02:57 PM
That's kinda what I was eluding to, Dave.
Praises for Vortex abound about their stellar CS. That's cool, it s an essential part of doing business, nowadays. At the same time, I'm sure their business model & pricing accounts for all of their scopes failures, and then some...
Essentially, you buy $200 quality level optic a street price of $400. That $200 scope (shits the bed, but the company's CS " steps up" and replaces it with a brand new scope...
Kicker is, the company's pricing structure already accounted for the failure rate. Pretty much, you, the consumer, already bought and paid for that replacement scope to remedy the issue with the original POS scope that you paid double for. When ya think of things in that context, it kinda blows the "bang for the buck" selling point out of the water....
Drifting here too. I reckon. Just re-emphasizes to me that the best a company's CS dept. is one that is rarely used...
PS, not knocking you, Tim! Just not a fan of that kinda baloney...
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posted September 01, 2015 06:48 PM
I don't know, shouldn't the finger be pointed at the consumer and not the producer. Since we are useing vortex as an example....wouldn't the fact that many consumers are unwilling to venture out of a certain price point be the real culprit. The company(vortex) is just filling a demand by its consumers. Vortex makes pretty damn good glass in their high end stuff.....and it is covered by same no questions warrenty. I think quality control is being substituted for customer service here. I know in my equipment purchases for work, I look for high QC standards; but when it breaks, and it will, there better damn well be some CS.
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posted September 01, 2015 08:02 PM
Yesterday I tried to buy a Red Dot sight ( Aimpoint T2 ) ~ 800$ but they were out of stock, the dealer offered to take my cc info & put me on his back order list "so I would get one", I declined. Point being "I guess" when people want something they want it & hope they don't take a screwing based on reputation of the brand & the dealer. A great warranty & the promise that they'll keep it working right means a lot to me.
I have owned Leupold scopes, binos & spotters for over 40 yrs and will continue to due so until something better including warranty repair & price comes along. Odd ( to me ) just this past spring I finally had to send a Leopold scope in for repair. The scope is a 1.5x5 that I bought new in 1989 that was losing its brightness internally. That scope has been mounted on a 375H&H, 338win mag, 300win mag, Knight SR 25 & maybe a half dozen other AR type semi's.
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knockemdown
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posted September 02, 2015 03:38 AM
True dat, Geordie.
Vortex has certainly filled a niche with their lower end stuff. Heck, look how Zeiss introduced their "Terra" line of scopes to compete in the lower end market. Those "Terra" scopes are turds from SE Asia, nothing German about 'em, 'cept for the name. But that price point is where ALOT of scopes are sold, and Vortex is firmly established as being a great value per $$$ spent.
I know that Vortex as a company is very active in the shooting sports, and seem to have a winner with their current generation high end Razor (despite its ridiculous heft) But their lower end stuff just never did it for me. The notion that a scope is "throw away" replaceable with no questions asked does not instill any level confidence in me, as a consumer. Regardless of the company...
FWIW, Bushnell has a similarly excellent return/exchange policy that I've used it to satisfaction in the past. Currently have a Bushy ERS 3.5-21x50 that is a VERY nice piece for the $$$...
Mike, good luck with that old Leupy! I'm sure you'll be well taken care of. Leupold set the bar for CS that these new companies strive to meet/beat. In the end, we the consumer are better off than we ever were...
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posted September 02, 2015 05:59 AM
I don't think I ever had any problems with a Leupold in a set it and forget it application. Maybe, my memory sucks, but I'm not remembering any.
But knob twirling... Most of the target turret and long range models I've had, just were not accurate or repeatable out of the box. So, I'd send them in. More than a couple, multiple times, before they worked to my satisfaction. One, I remember, a 6.5x20 EFR, after three trips, I sold it cheap to a buddy that knew the story but didn't care because he was going to set it and forget it. Lost my ass on that scope, really.
But, all that said... For price, size, weight, reasonable optics, set it and forget it reliability, most of my rifles sport Leupolds. My main squeeze calling rifle does.
I don't really do any knob twirling stuff anymore. Just got too burned out on colony varmints and would rather watch old people sleep than shoot targets. But only one of those rigs wears a Leupold. An 8.5x25 LRT that was good right out of the box. The rest of them have old school Nightforce BR scopes, which back then, were the schnizz. That stuff is all just gathering dust though. Sold some of it, a few years back to pay for my camera gear, been thinking I probably ought to sell the rest, could pay for some suppressors for my hunting rigs, if nothing else?
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posted September 02, 2015 07:43 AM
Premier & a place in Texas could get a Leupold dial to do what it was suppose to do (sometimes) not sure why, but I think the old timers at Leupold took their knowledge with them when they retired. I tried Swarovski , Meopta, & Zeiss dials , same same, made me want to use a ball peen hammer for adjustments. I quit em' all & went back to turning the adjustments with a quarter & reading the cross hairs.
Around the same time period I met A guy that tried using an adjustable scope base on a AR 15 carry handle mount, don't laugh guys, he sold the consept to the government & almost single handedly invented the "Tactical Ninja Sniper" program. Jim had a idea that "almost " eliminated the need for elevation dials in modern scopes . Google Leatherwood for the info.
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posted September 02, 2015 08:28 AM
Wish I could find a good used Tasco, or Bushnell Banner. They just don't make them like they used to.
I'm just dicking wit'cha, but ain't progress great? I have a straight 7.5X Leupold that I bought used for $50, more than twenty years ago. In silhouette, it looks almost exactly like a 3X9 VariX, which was the first Leupold I ever owned. Anyway, that 7.5 has been on more rifles than any other scope I own.
That Leupold revelation story began while at the range one day and I was waiting for a line change because I couldn't see bullet holes @100 with my well regarded Redfield. So, the guy next to me started telling me where my bullet holes were on the paper. (this was somewhere in the late sixties) At that time people were saying "Le o Pold", so the nice man allowed me to look through his scope. A revelation!
Very shortly thereafter, I traded that Redfield on a 3X9 Leupold and used it for years, especially at night. I also convinced damned near everybody I knew into buying Leupold scopes. There was a lot of rather serious shooters that had never heard of Leupold but things changed and, not because of me, but suddenly, Leupold was the next big thing.
I have returned scopes to Leupold ( just a guess?) probably three, four times? One of those times was because it was dropped due to a failure of a plastic buckle on the sling. It still worked but looked like it had been run over on the freeway. When I got it back, it still had one dent in the bell, but I have been using it for years without further problems.
I just remembered one of those returns was my own fault; bonehead, in fact. I used graphite on the turrets and it got inside, somehow? But, it came back slick as a whistle. I can't complain about their customer service. Every time I sent a scope in, in came back in about two weeks, fixed.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted September 06, 2015 03:41 PM
A little late here but I've been searching for the perfect scope and just can't understand why a good scope cost so much, weighs so much and delivers so little.
I'm a Leupold fan but their turrets suck but the size, price and weight are good. I'd like to try NF but they are heavy and pricey.
One scope that surprises me is the SWFA super chickens. The turrets are spot on, the mil quad reticle is good, the price is right but they are huge and heavy.
Why can't someone make a light, repeatable scope at a decent price?
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posted September 06, 2015 04:00 PM
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posted September 06, 2015 07:17 PM
I'm glad to hear you have yourself a good rifle Tim. Until something changes ? hopefully not. I really like those CZ's in small calibers.
I can't speak to specific applications. In my little world as a coyote hunter and sage rat shooter. Leupold is pretty dang tough to beat.
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posted September 07, 2015 06:51 AM
Somebody, years ago, used to have a scope that had no turrets? I think it was B&L? All the adjustments were in the proprietary base. Not sure about the advantage other that waterproofed like a frog's asshole?
Speaking of which. My long time partner had a 6X24 B&L BALVAR. That was one impressive scope, the only thing I didn't like was the first focal plane reticle. The whole rig, retro as hell, mounted on an Oberndorf Mauser with double set triggers, 30" bull barrel and chambered in 22 Varminter. That rifle would shoot lights out! Seems like we killed a lot of cats with it, that were hung up for some reason? Those were the days, my friend....
Good hunting. El Bee
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