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knockemdown
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posted August 02, 2016 07:58 AM
Revolution E-Caller
Has tripod legs, built in decoy & can swivel 360° via remote control. Built in HD camera.
2000 sounds on SD card, nice carry handle.
Looks interesting...
Promo Video linky
Thoughts?
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Lone Howl
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posted August 02, 2016 11:18 AM
I made a post about this caller awhile back, I think TR said that Rick and company were still working the bugs out, but looks like its ready to go now. I think it has some neat features for sure.
Mark
edit: coons always crack me up coming to a call.
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Kokopelli
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posted August 02, 2016 12:28 PM
How did we ever call anything with just mouth calls ??
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Seriously, it's a pretty awesome looking unit but just not for me for the same reason I shoot a recurve instead of a compound bow.
It's a `retro` thing.
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posted August 02, 2016 04:55 PM
Yeah, and you hitch the mule to the wagon for the trip to walmart, right?
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posted August 02, 2016 07:10 PM
Nah, my mule failed the emissions test.
Weather permitting, I drive a '69 VW Dune Buggy.
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posted August 03, 2016 05:29 AM
it's getting close, real close, to hitting the street. A couple of last minute changes delayed it a bit, it was supposed to be ready for the streets this month.
IMO, the biggest feature will be the 100% original sound library with unmatched vocals. We've been playing with a variety of vocals the last few seasons and it's been quite interesting finding new sounds that will bring coyotes.
There's been several FoxPro guys that have heard some of the vocals and they're in line to get the sounds, once they figure out where and how. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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posted August 04, 2016 02:19 PM
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IMO, the biggest feature will be the 100% original sound library with unmatched vocals.
Who judged that contest? I never even heard about it!
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posted August 07, 2016 09:03 AM
I second what TR said. His sound library is by far better than anyone else's I have heard. Years and years of coyote Vocals. Rick Paillet has spent a lot of his time and energy on his sounds the last half decade. I've been fortunate the last couple years to be "testing" all the sounds and helping him.
He has also been pretty nit picky about the call. I don't know how many times he has sent the call back to get a issue fixed or add something he wanted etc. He agreed to sign on with Luckyduck to design the caller and use his sounds as long as he had the final say. For all of our sakes that was a good thing. Not just a average call that was thrown out into the market.
I don't really care about the camera or decoy much. But some of the other cool features like the on demand call turning tripod or the way it updates the caller/remote are cool to me. Simply put a SD card in with your sounds and folders on it. Turn on the remote and the remote wirelessly updates to the call. No more taking the call apart and using wires etc.
If you are a volume guy this thing gets LOUD. Spent hours with Rick listening to the call with it pointed at us making sure each sound sounded right and no hiccups. You can also control the Gain on this call remotely. So some sounds can be cranked up even louder if you want. Personally I am not a super loud call type of guy but, it is very loud if you want it. Remote has also been tested to 1/4 mile without line of sight. Also something I don't really need but it's there.
Great group of guys worked on this call and sounds with Rick, TR and Geoff.
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posted August 07, 2016 08:09 PM
Well, good luck. You know it's already a saturated market, so the odds might be against you. Of course, it helps to have a good product but the most important part is to price it right, That calls for vary careful market evaluation.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted August 08, 2016 09:27 AM
Like Dustin and TR, I have been part of the beta testing process as well. The judges have been those who've seen this library put to use in the field. I made the statement more than once that this library would redefine the e-caller marketplace when it came out. And, it has. I'm not at liberty to specify exactly how that came to be, but you'll have to take my word for it that the major players in the market were trying their best to get hold of these sounds because they had seen their results as well. I advised Rick on a number of things to do with the sounds, how to get his coyotes to cooperate, etc.. Let's just leave it at saying that my beat up old Minaska Ultimate One plays, while the other callers sit on the back floor board waiting for their turn. The only coyotes we haven't called with these sounds in 2-3 years now have been called with my own mouth calls, usually because of a dead battery.
Season before last, we hunted roughly the same amount of time as other seasons prior. First season to really exploit this library. We hunted the same pieces of ground - 40-acre to half-section parcels - over and over and over - depending upon this library's variety, changing up time of day, approach, cadence and where we sat - and killed 105 coyotes between the two of us. All while working our regular jobs, hunting daytime only. Sundays and the occasional Saturday, with a weekday or two thrown in when available. Simply unheard of by anyone else in this area, and more of a challenge in farm country than in big range country. I've hunted both.
I would like to take the credit for attaining that bucket list goal, but much of the credit goes to the library on the new e-caller and properly exploiting it.
Kinda sad to see it coming out finally. Been an advantage up to now. LOL
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posted August 09, 2016 05:29 AM
Well, there you have it! Lance says it's best. So it must be.
I know I'm convinced.
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posted August 09, 2016 07:44 AM
I must say, Cal, you are taking it well. lol
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posted August 09, 2016 08:17 AM
Well I guess I better sell the Foxpro and all my hand calls, so I can call in some Coyotes with these special sounds. lol
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posted August 09, 2016 09:32 AM
With the country side being littered with Fox pro sounds, I think it would be a good thing to have a whole new selection of different sounds, but hey, if what you run works, stick with it.
Lot of guys still use rabbit distress only, good for them. BUT someday they might discover that vocals can be just as effective, if not more so, during certain times of the year. And we're not just talking about howls and pup distress.
But there is a reason that Rick was offered a heck of a lot of money for his sounds from a competitor. They judged the few that he let them hear to be very good.
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posted August 09, 2016 10:38 AM
But there is a reason that Rick was offered a heck of a lot of money for his sounds from a competitor. They judged the few that he let them hear to be very good.
I'll just leave this right here so y'all can read it twice.
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Leonard
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posted August 09, 2016 12:19 PM
So, how about a little background? Who is Rick and where and how did he collect this extensive library of sounds?
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted August 09, 2016 12:48 PM
Rick Paillet, maker of the Verminator line of calls.
As far as the second part of your question, for now let's just say he spent many a night at the local zoo where there just so happens to be some very vocal coyotes. O.K., maybe not, but some things need not be broadcast.
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posted August 09, 2016 03:22 PM
Well it sounds like they have a great Marketing Dept. to say the least.
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posted August 09, 2016 04:51 PM
As Tim said, Rick Pailett, who used to run with Randy Anderson. Rick has been working on this new caller and library for at least five years that I can recall. Two seasons ago, he provided four of us with the sounds he had finalized and finished out in order for us to field test them and give him our feedback. The four of us were myself, Dustin Patterson, Geoff Nemnich and TR. You can hear some of the sounds being demo'd on Facebook on Rick's page. If you don't do FB, you're SOL.
I know from my personal experience that they are the most effective sounds I've ever used. Extremely clean, and complete. By that, I mean that many of the vocalizations haven't been edited and pared down to remove what some might consider to be unnecessary extraneous sounds which, to the coyotes, may very well be part of the actual sound being made. Things like grunts and growls, and the same with jacks and cottontails. All live animals and all full sound files, from the first squeak to the final gasp. Having personally witnessed thousands of jackrabbits die in the jaws of greyhounds back in "the day", I've always been sorely disappointed at the quality of leporid distress sounds available for e-callers. Again, Rick's are the best I've ever heard.
As has been pointed out, my opinion and a buck will get you coffee at McDonalds, so who better to judge the quality of this library than the coyotes themselves.
As I stated earlier, we took 105 coyotes the first season, between my gunner and me when we were hunting together. The most we've ever gotten.
The first year the library was in testing, Nemnich won the World using these sounds. He and Patterson won it last year with this library. I believe that, between the two hunts, 30-32 coyotes liked them enough to die for the cause. Add in the pile of fur taken down by me, TR, and Rick and his daughter and partners, and that's a pretty favorable judging, IMO.
It's been a tough two years of hunting. People knew I was using a caller full of new and magical sounds. Never had so many new friends buddying up to me since I closed my taxidermy shop. The four of us were sworn to limit access to hearing the sounds, and were and remain absolutely forbidden from sharing them with other people.
Learned some interesting stuff during the process though. The most surprising is that just because a coyote's howl is low, low, low, that doesn't mean it's an old dog or even a male. We have one clip of a 2-month old puppy letting out a long, deep howl that sounded about as sad and mature male as you would ever think a coyote could sound. Shocking to see it come from such a tiny body.
As far as I know, the only way to get these sounds will be to buy the Revolution Caller. They will not be made available individually or as just sound sets. The price of the caller is reasonable and I know for a fact that Rick spent a bizarre amount of time tweaking and improving this unit to make sure it is high quality and durable.
Here's a YouTube video of Geoff, Rick and one of Geoff's friends using the Revolution.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3n_dvYDAb4
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posted August 09, 2016 07:29 PM
Yep, I'm satisfied Leonard. If guys like Geoff say it's so then it must be. Of course I do remember that the last time I saw Geoff on tv was for MOJO and he was showing a MOJO call while running a Foxpro out of sight of the camera and running Foxpro sounds that I recorded. So has he REALLY been running Ricks stuff? We will never know.
They obviously do have some stuff that works, but to wholesale claim the best vocalizations isn't going to cut it with me. Some may be great sounds, every company has a few good ones. But I wouldn't say anyone has it all. Johnny Stewart has a few good ones, I've heard that WT does also and I'm sure they do. Foxpro has some good stuff and now Rick does, but I don't think anyone is dominating.
What works one place may suck another and if the person running the call doesn't know what they are doing and what to play when using vocalizations it doesn't work. And to top that off there is some 4S stuff out there that NO ONE else has. I'm sure I'm not the only one with stuff never released or sold that kicks ass. I killed over 200 coyotes on the ground in the last two months with my sounds and Foxpros, so apparently some of it works.
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posted August 09, 2016 10:05 PM
The more things change, the more they seem the same. In other words, this reminds me, (a little) of the Minaska, Wildlife Tech, Foxpro wars of days gone by.
So now we have some claims that if you pay attention, there are some new secret "magic" coyote vocalizations that will soon be introduced.
So far, Cal says he has killed 200 coyotes in the past few months. Lance said he and partner killed, I believe he said, 105 this past season. So, if that means anything....and it doesn't, BTW, then the coyotes are voting with their feet for Cal's unpublished sounds.
I'm just stiring the shit a little bit. Please correct me where I'm wrong. These are only preliminary entries anyway. Right?
Don't foreget, Lance is so convinced, he closed his taxidermy business, so we should factor that in, as well. Which is worth a buck ninety-eight. (just kidding)
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted August 10, 2016 02:37 PM
The two are unrelated, LB.
To level the field a bit, the bigger question is how much mail has Cal delivered the past two months? I'm guessing none. That's not what he does for a living. He does hunt coyotes for a living, so the numbers aren't all that surprising to me. Comparing apples to oranges. I'd be killing them now, too, but I'm a fur harvester and do everything I can to put people off killing them if we can affect other changes to their operation to eliminate the problem. Not feasible in WY, easily done in KS. I did have one call two months ago. Coyote killing exotic fowl. Assessed the situation. Went in. Killed the coyote inside three minutes. No recurrence. No other calls. Didn't need to kill 199 others to get the same results. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Having said that, I can agree that most everyone has a few good sounds. But, because of good ol' fashioned fair market capitalism, the bar keeps getting raised higher and higher. I've heard Cal's sounds and I don't doubt he's gone to a lot of work and expense to put those sounds out there. I also know firsthand how hard Rick has worked to produce some of the best vocals I've ever heard.
It's the off season. Cal's the only one hunting. My producers are starting to check in to let me know where they'll be September calving in hopes I'll get out there and do a little preventive maintenance work. I had knee surgery last week and am chomping at the bit to get out of bed and off the sofa. My partner has had two separate surgeries in the last 6 weeks and he's recovering as quickly as possible, too. Gonna slow us down, but we'll be there com e hell or high water.
I've hit the 100 mark now. Doing that on one, maybe two days a week, while working regular jobs fulltime, over the span of a fur season was brutally hard work and did a lot of damage. Neither of us was getting around very well, having pushed ourselves hard, when we got a call from a large cattle op. Took 14 coyotes in ten days off their place. Calved 0ver 200 new calves. No losses. First time for them ever.
Fact is, it's the crazy season. We're all itching to do some hunting. Too hot. Too many ticks and bugs. Had a friend almost died from a tick bite two weeks ago. Not eager to face that myself. Nothing better to do but start a few dialogues. My team versus your team. An American tradition.
24 days until college football kicks off. Cannot wait. Have to watch pros this year as one of my friends son - kid played with my boy - went second round in the NFL draft and will be starting O-guard for the Chicago Bears.
Sitting here watching daytime TV. Thought I'd like a brief respite from work. Bored as hell.
Sleep. Watch TV. Do knee exercises. Sleep some more. Limp outside to smoke a cigar. Pee. Repeat. LOL
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posted August 11, 2016 07:23 AM
I promise, Lance. I am 99% neutral. On the other hand, the claims do evoke a moderate amount of skepticism. "Best Ever" etc. As in, who's opinion? Some responses here tend to be slightly irksome.
"Unmatched vocals"
"redefine the e-caller marketplace"
(this next one rubbed me wrong, for some reason?)
"let's just say he spent many a night at the local zoo where there just so happens to be some very vocal coyotes. O.K., maybe not, but some things need not be broadcast."
" new and magical sounds"
....and so on.
I'd like to point out that statements such as, "best I've ever heard" have little value. (at least with this group)
Come on! If you have a good product, those of us curious enough to buy this machine will have a chance to evaluate all the secret sounds. Otherwise, like me, I'm not really that curious to pay, based on the testimonials.
Sure, Lance has been around a while and killed a few coyotes so his opinion is worth considering. But, do I care what he thinks is the best ever? That's right up there with what kind of beer he prefers.
I don't know much about Patterson or TR so what they think and what they say has to be taken ; you know? with a grain of salt; no offense intended. I do know Cal, and he is no bullshit artist/while not saying anybody else might be?
Now, as to claims that somebody won a big hunt with these secret sounds, well.... There is so much about statements like that, that get into variables. I have personally killed enough animals that these body count claims do not impress me, especially if it's all attributed to secret sounds, period. Location and locked gates had nothing to do with it. (I've hunted Mexico, so my point is: apples and oranges) Same thing when you say "Hey, I killed all these animals in farm country!"
Anyway, please. Keep it up! And, keep it contained. Interesting dialogue, to say the least!
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted August 11, 2016 09:32 AM
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"let's just say he spent many a night at the local zoo where there just so happens to be some very vocal coyotes. O.K., maybe not, but some things need not be broadcast."
Since I am the offender in this case let me clarify by saying this, do you expect a guy that is getting sounds that no one else has ever recorded to tell everyone how he did it? Damn, that would be like broadcasting someone's secret sauce recipe that they got from grandma.
What Rick has done has not been done, or at least the sounds have never been released by anyone if they did capture the sounds. What we're saying is there are sounds on this call that simply aren't available, as in unmatched, on any other call, and we've found that they work. Once again, not just talking pup distress and howls. there's plenty of other sounds that they make. And yes, there will be a learning curve for people that decide to try them, just as there was a learning curve for everyone at one point or another any ways, especially when it comes to vocals. Hell, it wasn't long ago that using howls to call coyotes was far from main stream, and dang near everyone does it now. These new sounds will be opening new horizons, much like howling did.
For those that are tired of sitting down to do some calling and hearing someone on the neighboring property blaring fox pro sounds, there's now going to be a way to change things up. It's really just that simple.
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posted August 11, 2016 10:20 AM
I guess what doesn't pass the smell test for me. And I sure as hell don't have to defend Cal here. His sounds speak for themselves. I can say I have called hundreds of Coyotes with his Coyote vocals. So these new sounds have never been heard before, are they from a magic Coyote or something. Wouldn't a Coyote whether it be Cal's or Rick's make the same sounds? Seems to me they would. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck as the saying goes.
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