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Lonny
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posted November 30, 2010 03:18 PM
Remember when a "custom call" was actually that? I'm always amazed at the number of guys peddling calls nowadays.
Now a chinese-made bandsaw, drill, and some high-gloss varthane will get you knocking out custom calls in no time. Almost forgot, a rusty 16-penny nail to scratch your name in the call.
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posted November 30, 2010 10:19 PM
You are so right about that Lonny...
Used to be a custom call had to first sound great, have a handmade toneboard or tuned JC reed, was never Glossy, and when the guys said, "Nice Turn"... it was! Just not the same now!
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TOM64
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posted December 01, 2010 05:36 AM
Commercialism at it's finest, get the new guys interested and se11 em what they need to succeed.
All the while destroying what we have left from the inside. All in the name of profit.
You haters need to take note, the newest and bestest way to shut a site down is by posting copyrighted material without permission.
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=59009
Be on guard...
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TheHuntedOne
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posted December 01, 2010 06:49 AM
"Used to be a custom call had to first sound great,"
Agree - but it is subjective too. When a guys says he got a call from call maker so and so and it is the "best call he ever heard" do you ever wonder "how many calls HAVE you heard? Didn't you just start coyote hunting about 3 months ago?"
How come no one ever ask that question?
"have a handmade toneboard"
Not entirely necessary now, there are some excellent commercial tone boards out there. There are some dogs too. The real problem is not the molded or commercial tone board, it is when 20 guys use the same tone boards in their calls. A hunter could end up having 20 different looking calls that all sound exactly alike. Hand made tone boards for the most part don't have that problem, and for that reason, are a plus, but not necessary for the hunter who just wants one good call or two and does his homework and ask questions of the call maker. Molded boards are not "bad". Every plastic commercial call has a "molded" tone board, and some are pretty darn effective. Crit R Call come to mind?
"or tuned JC reed"
This is pretty much a myth. Unless you are calling in a contest, all the reed needs to do is not lock up and be able to sound like something in distress. Unless you want us to believe that all rabbits sound exactly alike, or that only western coyotes respond to jackrabbit sounds and eastern ones to cottontail sounds, all a hunter needs is one low, one medium and one high pitched sounding call that doesn't lock up and can be made to sound like something hurt. That's really all the tuning that needs to be done for "hunting".
We've all called coyotes with commercial closed reed calls from Primos, Lohman, Knight and Hale, and others, and I can assure you that none of them were "tuned", but they all called critters.
"was never Glossy"
If it is a true custom call, that is the buyers choice.
Pilgrims calls were highly sought after works of art, and his finishes were like glass....
If I recall, Rhino calls had a pretty nice finish as well.
So did the few of yours you posted Tom.
Finish is the customers choice, and the old saw that "pretty doesn't call coyotes" is just an excuse for making ugly calls.
"and when the guys said, "Nice Turn"... it was! Just not the same now!"
I agree. It's better. What you see for the most part today, are the same 20 or so guys on the same two or three boards, selling calls. Don't judge what you see on these boards as what is going on in the call making hobby. There are dozens of very talented call makers out there making beautiful custom predator calls. More so than ever before. Some are carved, some painted, some laminated, some checkered. A good many of them never post a call on a coyote hunting board. But their work is flawless and the calls works of art. You know one Tom, his name is Brian Byers. Have you seen his checkered open reeds? I could name two dozen predator call makers whose work would make you go "WOW" that never post on a predator board.
Yup, there are a lot of guys "peddling" calls today. Some will grow and become greats, some will give it up, and some will never do anything other than plug and stuff in a fancy barrel and still come out with serviceable working calls. But the hobby as a whole is getting much better, and the call makers much more talented.
Al Woodard
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posted December 01, 2010 08:23 AM
"MattM as in Java! Heard he has a brain tumor."
Who????
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Lone Howl
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posted December 01, 2010 12:32 PM
lol... The one eternal question among predator callmakers..."What kind of finish did Pilgrim use".
It is flawless thats for sure.
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Rich
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posted December 01, 2010 12:45 PM
The problem with call makers on P.M. and other predator boards is the canned praise. If you have never heard the call, there is no way you can know how "good" it is. With the enclosed reed models you are pretty safe because of the enclosed J.C. reed. Open reed models are a whole different ball game. Buy your calls from a well known builder.
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Leonard
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posted December 01, 2010 12:54 PM
Are you referring to the same pilgrim that has attended the campout? If so, I didn't know that he made calls?
As far as JC reeds. They make enough of a variety that the sounds are unique enough, in my opinion. Good enough to work, anyway.
Good hunting. LB
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posted December 01, 2010 01:07 PM
Matt McCauley... Java4!
Sheesh Dan, do I have to tell you everything! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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posted December 01, 2010 02:02 PM
Great post Al!
Especially coming from one of the finest callmakers I've known... a mentor to many past and current callmakers including myself!!!
We both know this topic could be expanded and go on almost endlessly. You covered it pretty quickly and yet in some detail. I was trying to make a very broad statement.
You are absolutely right, though! It's a small world if you don't venture past these few predator hunting sites. There are beautiful calls being made that never get seen on the internet! I happen to own a few myself! I also have quite a few THO's that haven't been seen online in a very long time! ![[Wink]](wink.gif) ... and I sure don't mind being corrected when its by someone with your experience!
On the point of toneboards and tuned reeds, also right on spot. CNC'd and even cast boards can be excellent! I may have to order some of your toneboards! I hate cutting them for hunting calls and I know yours are right on.
I've always believed the JC reeds used in many commercial calls are actually "bladed"(tuned) right from JC! It used to say so on his website.
I just talked to BrianB the other day, very talented guy! I've been meaning to give you a call, too.
Oh ya... those calls work!
I'm very glad to see you posting here Al! Take Care!
Nikonut
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Leonard
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posted December 01, 2010 02:08 PM
Niko....is that Treebark! You might as well wear red plaid, its just as effective. Oh well, go ahead, I don't care.
Hand calls. I prefer closed reed, personally. Depends, but they work fine, for me.
Good hunting. LB
edit: PS is that true about the brain tumor? Nothing to joke about.
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4949shooter
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posted December 01, 2010 02:43 PM
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edit: PS is that true about the brain tumor? Nothing to joke about
I agree it is nothing to joke about.
Prayers sent...
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Rich
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posted December 01, 2010 03:12 PM
Leonard,
Yes, enclosed reed calls work just fine unless it is bitter cold outside. They freeze up solid in the cold.
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TheHuntedOne
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posted December 01, 2010 03:15 PM
Geez Tom - trying to embarrass a man? Those calls must be 6 - 7 years old. Maybe a bit more.
These are some newer ones, from maybe two years ago.
I just don't make that many calls anymore, and those that I do end up being given to guys around here or sold in local shops. There are a lot of call makers who do the same thing. A lot of fine duck and turkey call guys make some great looking predator calls, and, based on their reputations as master turkey or duck call makers, they probably sound very nice as well.
Anyway, thanks for posting those oldies. It almost hurts to look at them now, although I do have a couple from back in "the day" that I still use.
Mr. Leonard, I don't know if it is the same Pilgrim that was at your camp out or not, but he make some of the best looking calls ( I never heard one so I wont say they sounded good, but I would bet my hat that they did ) ever shown on the boards.
I hope if Java is sick he gets well soon.
Al Woodard
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Leonard
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posted December 01, 2010 03:17 PM
Yeah, I know, Rich. Just never gives me problems. I keep them in a lint free pocket and can switch.
I have no problem with open reed either, I use them often. I just like the sound of the closed reeds better, for the most part.
Good hunting. LB
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posted December 01, 2010 04:09 PM
Guys...
Let me start by saying, I sure won't wish cancer on any one. That is something that was told to me after Matt moved from the east coast to the west coast, supposedly to be near family.
I don't talk to Matt and never really did much other than arguing in the backroom at PM. I posted that info here and on another site because people were wondering where he went... I really don't know details or if it is even true... that is why I said, "I heard..." and "Rumor has it.." in those posts. I still include those guys in my prayers...
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CrossJ
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posted December 01, 2010 04:13 PM
lb, yes the very same Pilgrim who attended the campout. He made AR and myself each a call several years ago. One of the most unique sounds I have ever heard. I use it alot, and it is one of my favorites, and I don't like closed reeds.
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posted December 01, 2010 05:06 PM
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Niko....is that Treebark! You might as well wear red plaid, its just as effective.
Ya Leonard, that's what you keep saying but those two coyotes came in to about 15ft and stood looking right at me for about a minute! Every time they would turn away I'd hit them with a real soft tone from one of those THO calls... maybe they were just laughing at me! They died laughing if that's true! That's the same pic I posted a long time ago that got you laughing and why you gave me my sigline!
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Those calls must be 6 - 7 years old. Maybe a bit more.
Hey Al, I think a bit more! I'm not sure but that top left one might be one of your first ones sold on PM! I have several more THO enclosed reeds and a few open reeds as well!
Katie brought me her "Candy Cane" call a while back for safe keeping, Emily can't find hers, but hopefully it will show up! Those are the ones made from "Corian". You sent both of my girls one as Christmas presents many years ago. They were in grade school then... Katie graduates from HS this year!
I have a "Pilgrim" call tucked away with it's polishing cloth and fancy cloth storage bag. I can't remember his name right now either! It's got the shipping address on the box if I can find it... One of his signatures was to send you the call wrapped in the soft cloth originally used to polished the call!
Nikonut
Edit: "Candy Cane" doesn't sound right... was it "Cotton Candy"? Very pretty red, white,and blue open reed.
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Rich
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posted December 01, 2010 05:33 PM
"Ya Leonard, that's what you keep saying but those two coyotes came in to about 15ft and stood looking right at me for about a minute!"
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Probably thought you were a fellow coyote, sounds logical anyway. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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posted December 01, 2010 06:22 PM
Could be Rich...
I've been known to sleep with a few dogs in my time!
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Leonard
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posted December 01, 2010 06:29 PM
Yeah, niko. I thought I saw that photo before?
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posted December 01, 2010 08:17 PM
Pilgrim - Ernest G. Wilson
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JoeF
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posted December 02, 2010 07:17 AM
Nikon, I'll trade you. Your set of coveralls looks insulated. Mine ain't.
That is too bad about Java, if that is indeed the current state of things.
I always enjoyed his input on the political forum over at PM. Good solid conservative.
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posted December 02, 2010 09:06 AM
You are right Joe,
Mine are insulated. I rescued those many years ago at a rummage sale... can't remember if I even paid anything for them or if they gave them to me. Seems the guy was a duck hunter and wanted the latest and greatest...
They would be excellent for river bottom camo. Heck, they work great in corn fields, too!
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