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TOM64
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posted January 25, 2014 10:20 AM
For those that allowed the 22-250ai and the 55 gr NBT are a perfect combination, you were right. I finally drug mine out this morning and killed 3 coyotes from 75, 200 and 250 yards without a twitch and no fur damage.
You were right...
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DiYi
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posted January 25, 2014 10:33 AM
Congrats Tom.Care to give some load specifics?Particularly interested in velocity.
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Leonard
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posted January 25, 2014 12:36 PM
Can we state the obvious? The 22-250Ackley is the perfect, all around coyote chambering.
Most people I know have the 1-12 twist and use the Nosler 55 gr. Ballistic Tip. Mine is a little different with my 28 1/2" Hart barrel, although I could probably use the Nosler since it's a thicker jacket than the Berger I originally tried....without success. So, I have stayed with 65 grain bullets and couldn't be happier with the performance, accuracy, BC, velocity. It's the perfect night hunting truck gun @ 18 pounds. A careful shot at a standing coyote is almost guaranteed.
This cartridge deserves legitimacy as a factory offering, and I have been saying this since day one, over ten years and going strong. And, I'm a guy that used a 220Swift almost exclusively for fifteen years, thinking it couldn't be improved upon.
I got around 3800fps with the 55 Sierra or a 53 Hornady, in the 26" swift. My Ackley does 3925 all day long with a 65 grain bullet, it's a hold on fur rifle out to 430 yards.
Yeah, there are others that are useful, but the 22-250AI is a winner, hard to beat.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: in my gun, I use H414 exclusively. 44.0 grains.
[ January 25, 2014, 12:37 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
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TOM64
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posted January 25, 2014 01:10 PM
Mine is not your typical coyote gun and far on the other end of Leonard's. It's a Kimber Montana wearing a 22" factory duped contoured 6.5 lb gun complete with the 3.5-10 Leupold scope, sling and a mag full of shells. You either understand the trade offs or you don't but I walk a lot and this one suits me.
I'm running 3824 fps with the 55's with RL 15. I had envisioned the 75 gr Amax and had it twisted 1/8" but never found a load with both accuracy and velocity. The 55's gave me the same velocity as my 50's do in my vanilla 22-250 and it grouped 5 into 1/2" so I quit trying for any more velocity.
First blood and the rifle.
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DiYi
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posted January 25, 2014 01:48 PM
Awesome.Thanks Gentlemen.
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Dave Allen
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posted January 26, 2014 09:00 AM
I like how you roll Tom.
Sounds like a perfect setup for how I hunt also.
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posted January 26, 2014 10:05 AM
I like that lightweight Kimber setup Tom. I don't hike a lot, but ride a ton of mines on my snowmachine. An extra pound of rifle on my back after a day of riding is definitely noticeable. Light is where it's at for me. Hence the NULA that usually rides with me.
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Leonard
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posted January 26, 2014 10:21 AM
OMG! Sorry, I can't help myself.
Dave, I like the way YOU roll! Don't give up on the thutty/thutty! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Good hunting. El Bee
PS did I ever tell you about the new guy I took up to Nevada? He insisted on using his Model 94, which he had put reflector tape on the sights, for night hunting. He missed 4 or 5 chip shots, don't remember right now. The next morning, I asked him to shoot at the side of a concrete wall, which he did. I needed a yardstick to measure the three shot group. Then I took three shots myself, just to see if there was something wrong with the gun, or him? Nothing to brag about, I shot a 3-4 inch three shot group.
Then I told him either he use one of my guns, or if he insisted, I wanted him to hide behind a bush forty yards out and wait for a coyote to come running by and brain him with the butt of the rifle as that would be the only way he was ever going to kill one!
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Dave Allen
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posted January 26, 2014 10:38 AM
I'm all over it Leonard.
Rolled some hand loads last night, and, I'm headed to the range shortly. Temps in the 20's and still foggy. Did I ever mention, I hate the fucking fog ?
This thutty/thutty is going to kick my ass, or I'm kicking its ass !
Peace..
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jimanaz
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posted January 26, 2014 04:29 PM
Very nice, Tom. Since you've settled on the 55s....
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TOM64
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posted January 26, 2014 07:54 PM
Jim I have 428 non moly'd 75 Amax's that are midway over runs/blems. E mail me your address and I'll send em to you and you can replace them with 55 NBT's, I think 300 would be about equal value but whatever you think is fair.
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TOM64
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posted January 26, 2014 07:59 PM
I tried to add my email but it didn't work. tomdci at hotmail.com
Btw, Hornady started running them again last week...
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knockemdown
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posted January 27, 2014 05:47 AM
Sweet little rig there, Tom!
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TOM64
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posted January 27, 2014 08:08 AM
Thanks Fred, you gonna make it to Cheyenne?
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posted January 27, 2014 08:23 AM
Gonna try to, Tom!
Be down by KJ & Jayde next Thursday/Fri, then up by Ronnie over the weekend. Would be GREAT to have a second trip out!!! Gotta see if work allows for it...
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UTcaller
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posted January 27, 2014 03:02 PM
Yeah I have had to go back to the drawing board with my .22-250AI too. Can't find any 60 grain Bergers any where.So I worked up a load using the Berger 55 grain target bullets. They seemed to work quite well while fireforming. Any way I am using RL15 and the 55 grain Bergers and they are working great. Excellent accuracy and 3900 fps. Kills coyotes very dead and not much damage at all. Best of all I bought 10 boxes and will be getting 10 more soon. I really wish the 60's were around because I really did like them. I really wish Berger would get there shit together.
They also discontinued my favorite .17 bullet, the 25 grain Match
Good Hunting Chad
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Leonard
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posted January 27, 2014 04:25 PM
Hey Chad. Don't forget. When they discontinue a bullet doesn't necessarily mean they don't have any. That's how I got my supply, I called and bitched about availability, (told him who I was, snicker, snicker) and the guy said they still had 17 boxes of the 62gr. in the back room, and offered at half price yet!
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted January 27, 2014 04:46 PM
Just came home to a package from Swampworks, finally got some 75gr JLKs to play with! Figure we can get them going 3650+ from a new project build.
With a b.c of .425. that combo will make for a head turner inside outer!!!
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UTcaller
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posted January 27, 2014 05:33 PM
Leonard, maybe that's what I need to do. I do have a hundred 60's left but I was so pissed that every place I looked was (out of stock;no back order), including Bergers website that I switched to the 55's. And ordered enough of them to last damn near as long as the barrel will. I noticed on another site that a bunch of guys are getting together to order some .17s since to get them to do a special run you have to order like 100,000 bullets or something like that. If they keep pulling this shit I might just go with the 55 grain Nosler ballistic instead of dealing with it.
Good Hunting Chad
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TOM64
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posted January 27, 2014 06:52 PM
I shot my 204 last year with 40 gr Vmax's and liked how they killed coyotes but didn't like the damage they did on cats. So I thought no problem, I'll grab some 35 gr Bergers. I found 2 boxes and haven't found anymore. Berger needs to step it up.
But I've always liked Nosler.
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Leonard
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posted January 27, 2014 07:11 PM
I have a question. Linkedin keeps telling me there is somebody I MIGHT know named:
Tom Austin
Owner, Predator Strikeforce
I have no idea who this is, I know exactly three people with the first name of Tom, and one is my brother.
Any idea who this is?
Good hunting. El Bee
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Lonny
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posted January 27, 2014 07:44 PM
Tom, nice packable setup you have there. I'm a 55 NBT user and up to this point, haven't had the desire to keep searching for something better.
Leonard,
Concerning this Tom Austin guy. I think he might write for that free predator magazine. "Predator Extreme" or something like that. Probably like many here, I get that mag, but never subscribed and I seem to remember that guy as having a column or writes monthly articles. Won't swear to it though.
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posted January 27, 2014 08:18 PM
Tom Austin writes the Caller for Hire spot in PX.
Says he a professional guide hunting 40 hours a week.
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UTcaller
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posted January 27, 2014 08:43 PM
Never heard of him.
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Leonard
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posted January 27, 2014 09:19 PM
Well, since we have brought it up. I get that publication, free. I wouldn't subscribe to it.
Almost all the articles I find something with which to disagree, and often, most of it. I don't know where they dig these guys up.
One in particular, how to handle multiples. As far as I'm concerned, total bullshit. Shoot the furthest one? Really?
I take the closest easiest shot first. Sometimes, they keep coming and you get another chip shot.
Then again, those close in animals will scatter pretty quick, and in many places I hunt, it doesn't take very long for the other ones to disappear.
Anyway, I think the advice stinks. And, that's the way a lot of the articles are, amateurish, like a high school term paper.
Maybe I'm just being a dick? That's my opinion.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: actually, I was guessing it was Tom64? Sorry, Tom
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