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Topic: you just won a new gun.....
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Leonard
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posted November 09, 2004 09:02 PM
Let's say that you just won a new gun, of your choice; any configuration, any caliber.
Think about it. What tops your wish list. Some Ultra Mag? A sub caliber fur gun? Bench gun? Black gun? Wildcat caliber? Big fifty?
Just for fun, what's next; price no object?
Good hunting. LB
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Jack Roberts
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posted November 09, 2004 09:40 PM
Nesika 221.
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Blak coyote
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posted November 09, 2004 10:06 PM
A 22 CHeetah.
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DAA
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posted November 10, 2004 05:45 AM
Tough question. I don't even think I can answer it. Always wanted to build a rifle on a BAT action, so something on a BAT, I reckon. Not sure what though! Probably not a bench type gun, I have all of those I need or want already. Unless it was a really big firebreather. Say something like a .338-416IMP on that big 10x2 action. In an unlimited HG stock. 36" no taper barrel. NF scope. Come in at about 70 pounds. That would be cool.
Can tell you what my current project is. Nothing too exotic, certainly not likely to be anyone's ultimate rifle choice, but a neat project still. I'm having a .17 Predator built (blown out necked down .223). Using a stainless Model Seven action and bottom metal I have on hand, Lilja #4 9 twist, McMillan Rem. Classic pattern stock. Having Greg Tannel put it all together. Intend for it to be my "main squeeze" calling rifle after it's done.
- DAA
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brent Saxton
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posted November 10, 2004 04:02 PM
Another black gun would be cool! I nice camo job to go with it!!
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Z
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posted November 10, 2004 05:00 PM
Hey DAA,
How much difference is there between that and a 17 remington?
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Leonard
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posted November 10, 2004 05:17 PM
Pick just one? I don't own all that many, nor do I want that many. But, still. How about a Model 70 African chambered in 416RemMag? How about a Model 700 Titanium, calling rifle, chambered in a useful predator caliber. I'm still thinking about one of those CZ's chambered in 19/223. How about a neat 338 Lapua? Always wanted a 40X, maybe in 6BR?
Hard decision. Don't actually NEED anything, but that could change.....right?
Good hunting. LB
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Tim Behle
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posted November 10, 2004 06:57 PM
I keep thinking about a M70 in 7mm WSM with a Lilja 28" 4 groove barrel, and anti-torque brake. A McMillan A-5 stock and a Nightforce R-2 scope.
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DAA
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posted November 10, 2004 07:39 PM
Z, Dan Clements designed the Predator. His idea was to get more performance than the .17 Rem., using good and readily available .223 brass, and to have it feed slick as snot from a 700. It has about 3.8 gr. more water capacity, to the bottom of the neck, over the .17 Rem. Translates into significantly more performance. Especially with the 30 gr. bullets. It will drive them a bit faster than the .17 Rem. drives 25's. Equates to significantly more energy downrange. Launching the 30's at 4100, it still has 400 ft/lb's at 500 yds. Trajectory is nice and flat, bullet doesn't rise or fall more than 2" from line of sight clear out to over 320 yds. Only hitting about 6" low at 400 with that same zero. Less wind drift than a hot loaded .22-250. No recoil. Very minimal pelt damage.
Everybody has their own ideas about these things, and that's a good thing. But to my mind, this is as close to ideal for called coyotes in my typical calling circumstances as is currently possible.
Had a hard time making up my mind between the Predator or one of my friend Blaine's .17 wildcats based on shortened PPC and BR cases. Performance is similar with all of them - they are all designed to drive these heavier high BC .17 bullets at over 4000 fps. But the Predator was designed specifically to feed slick through a Rem. action, and I just happened to have this Model Seven on hand, so the Predator is what I finally decided on.
I'm having it built to closely match the over all weight, length, balance and handling of my .17 Mach IV (which is my current "main squeeze" for calling).
Already have the next project (18 - 24 months out) planned too. It's also going to match the two .17's for configuration, but I'm going to do something just EXTREMELY flat shooting. Have not made up my mind for sure what yet, but it will be something well beyond the pale. A .22-284, or a .20-250. Something like that. It will be for targets of opportunity (over the hood), night calling and occasional daylight stand special use. Barrel will probably only last 500 rounds, but for this kind of use who cares.
- DAA
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Tim Behle
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posted November 10, 2004 07:44 PM
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Barrel will probably only last 500 rounds, but for this kind of use who cares.
DAA,
Don't tell my wife, but I like the way you think! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Leonard
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posted November 10, 2004 08:21 PM
Let's see, Miss Joyce. How much does that figure, per shot, out the door? And, you wearing last year's garments?
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brad h
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posted November 10, 2004 08:22 PM
My only purpose for a gun would be for predators, so I would say a Weatherby 220 Swift.
Brad
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Az-Hunter
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posted November 10, 2004 08:22 PM
Ive always dreamed of a Dakota Model 10, with that chocolate and carmel streaked, slim stock they have, chambered in 243 sitting in my safe.
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Jack Roberts
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posted November 10, 2004 10:07 PM
DAA
"Barrel will probably only last 500 rounds, but for this kind of use who cares."
In your dreams!!
But for calling coyotes even 300 is quite acceptable.
Jack
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DAA
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posted November 11, 2004 05:26 AM
Tim, I won't tell yours if you don't tell mine! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
- DAA
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Greenside
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posted November 11, 2004 05:41 AM
DAA,
What kind of velocity increase would you expect to get from a 20-250 over a 22-250 if both were shooting 40 gr. bullets. Any? Is the flat shooting aspect just a result of the higher BC of the .20? When you say 300-500 round barrel life are you referring to the 284 or is that all you could expect out of a 20-250? Thanks
Dennis
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Steve Craig
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posted November 11, 2004 05:43 AM
Always wanted a 22 cal. air rifle that would shoot a 16gr. pellet at 800 to 1000 fps. It would have a walnut hand rubbed stock, a suppresser for quiet shooting, It would be at least a 10 shot repeater, be topped with a good quality 6x18 scope,would weigh in under 9 lbs., air chamber would hold 3000 psi, could be pumped up with a hand pump for field use, and must be English made of course.
OOOPS! I already got my dream rifle! Model # 410S
Made by Air Arms out of England. Have taken dozens of rabbits with it and called in and shot a grey fox so far. Will be filming more using the weapon. Plan on a coyote or two and a bobcat too. Surprizing how many guys are taking coyotes with these weapons.
Steve
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DAA
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posted November 11, 2004 07:11 AM
Dennis, the guys I know of that have actually been using the .20-250 are getting 4500 fps with the 40 gr. bullets. BC on the 40 gr. Vmax is .275. Gives a point blank range on a 4" target of 350 yards! Still wouldn't have to hold off fur at 400.
As far as barrel life goes... I actually expect to get at least 500 rounds out of either chambering. But only time will tell. I have one friend who has put more than 500 on his .22-284 and it is still going strong. The two guys I know of running .20-250's are both at over 500 rounds and still doing fine too. But, I'm not "planning" on more than 500, just on GP. Right now, I'm leaning towards the .20-250 over the .22-284. For several reasons. But I may change my mind and go with something entirely different, when the time comes.
- DAA
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Jay Nistetter
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posted November 11, 2004 08:40 AM
Armalite 243 (with NO supressor) Damn things will make you go deaf.
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WhiteMtnCur
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posted November 11, 2004 09:34 AM
I've been looking into the exact same thing as Dave, a .20-250 for a calling rifle.
Build it with one of the new Predator actions, a 26" Shilen, flute it, and make it up so it's a nice light rifle. Since it's free, it's an even better excuse for one of these barrel life challenged coyote killers.
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Z
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posted November 11, 2004 09:36 AM
DAA,
What does a project like that cost? I just bought one of those 700ADL blowouts at Wally World and have a 223 barreled action to work with.
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DAA
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posted November 11, 2004 11:08 AM
About the cheapest you could get it done for would be about $500 - $600. That would include a new barrel, fit and chambered, plus some dies. You could shave that down some by using a lesser quality barrel, and maybe finding a 'smith that charges less (but then you'd need to provide him reamers).
- DAA
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varmit hunter
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posted November 11, 2004 03:40 PM
Nesika 22-250. Maybe the S&W 500 in a 4" barrel.
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Curt2u
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posted November 14, 2004 08:02 AM
I'm a cheap date. My pick would be a Savage model 11FC in 22-250.
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Leonard
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posted November 14, 2004 01:21 PM
Could a fooled me. I thought: uh oh, Curt is going to say he needs another black gun.
Good hunting. LB
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