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Topic: Foxpro makes another great idea a reality!
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Bomba
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posted June 08, 2010 12:32 PM
Bomba think this like Blue Collar Comedy guy... Here's your sign.
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posted June 08, 2010 01:15 PM
Thanks Bomba! Glad to see you back here!
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Leonard
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posted June 08, 2010 01:16 PM
Where'd he come from, I thought I banned him?
Oh well, welcome back Bomba. What's shakin'?
Good hunting. LB
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TA17Rem
Hello, I'm the legendary Tim Anderson, Field Marshall, Southern Minneesota Sector
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posted June 08, 2010 01:41 PM
Gee you F-P guys are a little sensative. All I asked was a question. Cal I own all kinds of E-calls just not a F-P, but you never know... ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Kokopelli
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posted June 08, 2010 01:47 PM
I was going to try and stay out of this pissing contest about waving the Ecaller around, but since this thread is going in El Bee's book, you guys with your foot on TA's neck may have to give him a little slack. (Not much.....just a little) I'm pretty sure that in my video collection (hunting - not porn) I've seen Gerry Blair and / or Gerald Stewart do exactly that; hold the caller up in the "Here I am!!!" position and rotate it around a few times, then set it down beside themselves. I'm not going to argue with Gerry or Gerald. If it works for them (and TA) in their areas, that's great. In my areas, the way that I set up, it would just be silly. Your mileage may vary.
Ok, you may now resume standing on TA's neck. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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TA17Rem
Hello, I'm the legendary Tim Anderson, Field Marshall, Southern Minneesota Sector
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posted June 08, 2010 02:00 PM
Thanks Koko, but you also forgot Ed Scerry. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the f-bang if it works and it is a good idea for anyone that may have a use for it, but I don't..
Sales must be down at this time I noticed they have 4-5 F-P pitchers in this thread.
[ June 08, 2010, 07:58 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
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Leonard
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posted June 08, 2010 02:14 PM
Kinda like PM, eh Tim? You don't know who your friends are, until you start knocking Foxpro. Even if you aren't knocking Foxpro, just not praising them, you will be cut down to size. But, you can take it. Do you really stand with your speaker above your head and slowly rotate? You know, of course that in some parts, you would be rushed before you could pick up your rifle and take a seat. I guess it's okay where you see them a mile away?
I have seen Gerald do it, but it was at night so that doesn't count, koko.
Good hunting. LB
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booger
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posted June 08, 2010 02:25 PM
Sounds like an awesome solution to a non-existent problem!
How in the world did anyone EVER call coyotes before the invention of e-callers!
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Cdog911
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posted June 08, 2010 02:42 PM
Truth is, booger, back in "the day", we did actually call coyotes. Nowadays, the caller calls the coyote and the guy on the remote just takes the credit. LOL You and I need to schedule a hunt this fall/winter either out around your country or back here in mine. I'll let you pick.
BTW, noticed your sig line. Did anyone think to take down the part of the sign that lays claim to Arlen Specter yet? (Man,that has to hurt...)
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TA17Rem
Hello, I'm the legendary Tim Anderson, Field Marshall, Southern Minneesota Sector
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posted June 08, 2010 02:59 PM
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I have seen Gerald do it, but it was at night so that doesn't count
Can't coyotes also see as well at nite???
Leonards remark to my other posts got me thinking and I made a phone call. I was able to get ahold of a sound level meter from the company that I work for so I can do a little testing on direction of sound and how loud it is from different directions and distances. Also trying to get ahold of a guy with a F-P just for shits and giggles.. If time allows I will also test a few mouth calls open and closed reed...
[ June 08, 2010, 03:00 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
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Leonard
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posted June 08, 2010 03:05 PM
WHAT REMARK, WHAT POST? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
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booger
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posted June 08, 2010 03:12 PM
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Truth is, booger, back in "the day", we did actually call coyotes. Nowadays, the caller calls the coyote and the guy on the remote just takes the credit. LOL You and I need to schedule a hunt this fall/winter either out around your country or back here in mine. I'll let you pick.
BTW, noticed your sig line. Did anyone think to take down the part of the sign that lays claim to Arlen Specter yet? (Man,that has to hurt...)
Lance,
It would be an honor to hunt with you and pick your brain!
We have way more land to hunt here than we have time to hunt, so I can come your way and be your host here as well!
Back to the turncoat Specter--if you have been up and down I-70 and seen the billboards that USED to have his picture on them with Bob Dole--they have taken Arlen's picture off and only have Dole's pic on them.
Some people in town are pretty pissed at him for doing what he did and forgetting where he came from just to do his little political dance.
I was a banker in my previous professional career and counted Arlen's brother as one of my commercial customers. His brother is no doubt levitating and spinning in the grave at the Russell City Cemetery over the shit he pulled.
Will give you a shout closer to the fall and see when we can get together!
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Bomba
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posted June 08, 2010 05:33 PM
Mr. Leonard & 3Toeds,
Thank for welcome back.
Bomba take long journey of discovery.
When return, Bomba see same baboon fight as before left.
Whenever soup boil it always heated by WT so Bomba ask chief why.
Chief say
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Baboon only know one way to feel accomplishment. That way to pound chest and relieve waste on others.
Others know what baboon doing but keep quiet hoping baboon go away.
Some baboon never know they are nothing more than goat.
Bomba understand.
Goat not know garbage from food.
When full, goat need get rid of waste.
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coyote whacker
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posted June 08, 2010 05:43 PM
Tim I could see benefit in your 360 with wind but on days of 5 or less mph their hearing is accute enough and if your within reasonable range they are going to hear your offering 360 or 180. Won't matter as they will point point that location very well.
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DAA
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posted June 08, 2010 06:25 PM
I think Fox Bang is cool. I'll use it at least some of the time.
I think it's even more cool that Bomba has returned though .
And Tim, please leave Blaine out of this. I'm not going to speak for him, ever, but I'm 100% certain he'll be pissed off about getting his name drug through this pile of baboon shit when I show it to him in a day or two...
- DAA
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Krustyklimber
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posted June 08, 2010 07:02 PM
Leonard,
I go to school until 7:30 pm (and this week the drop-in tutoring center is open until 9:00 pm).
I was up late, here at home, studying for the last of my finals (English Composition today, and Algebra I tomorrow), and working on the final draft of a seven page - argumentitive analysis - essay (on how ballot-driven initiatives have changed the way wildlife management policies are created in this country, and why this needs to stop, it's actually really good stuff).
*Did you guys know that PETA euthanizes 98% of the companion animals they take in? ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
...But, I digress...
My mind was zipping along, too much caffiene, too much stress, and way way too much algebra. So I needed something to help me sleep... Tim's always good for a yawn or two, and didn't disappoint me at all, last night.
Tim,
You could read until your eyes bleed, that doesn't mean, to me, that you'd learn shit, though.
Your "in front of vs behind the muzzle" analogy only address "amplitude", not attitude.
Sound still travels away from the source, in all directions (not just out along the X and Y axes, it goes up along the Z axis too, and fills every single point therein).
Granted, Doppler's Law does address the variablity of wavelengths, like the ripples from a pebble dropped into a stream of moving water.... but... Until the wind approaches a fairly significant portion of the speed of sound, there won't be much difference in the dispersal pattern of sound waves... it might "squish" the sound (pitch variance), to a minimal degree, but that's all.
And waving your speaker around won't "repair" the effects of this Doppler shift.
The fact that you can hear yout WT speaker when you stand behind it, only deflates your directional speaker theory... sound, unlike a focused beam flashlight, is unidirectional from it's source (like a candle's open flame... or the Sun).
Again, you're talking about amplitude, dude.
Reaching out farther, through directing of the speakers greatest amplitude, is the good reason to wave your speaker around, not to affect the overall dispersal of that sound.
Your "test" will show there is no variance in directionality, only in AMPLITUDE.
You and Sly both need to go to a lot more school (and actually learn something while you're there) before you'll qualify as sound experts in my book! ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Until then, you're both shit flinging baboons.
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Leonard
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posted June 08, 2010 07:04 PM
A damned shame, I tell ya. Totally innocent, minding his own bidness, yet he get's drugged through baboon shit! You guys oughter be ashamed of yoreselves. Doggone it,
I'm THIS CLOSE >>>¤<<< to shutting this down! Grrr! ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
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TRnCO
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posted June 08, 2010 07:41 PM
PETA doesn't kill 98% of the animals they take in every year, but the number is pretty high each year. can see those numbers if you google PETAkillsanimals.
And aren't higher pitched sounds more directional than lower pitched sounds. I know back in the day when I had a custom sound system installed in my pick-em up truck, the tweeters were postioned toward the occupants, and even to this day, subs are usually placed in the trunk because you actually feel those "sounds" more so then hear them, so I can see Tim's theory having some validity. higher pitched distress sounds need to be pointed toward the ears to be heard, not that I've ever done what he preaches because I don't try to call'em from the next county to start with.
Not that I'm stickin' up for PETA or Tim, just applying what I don't know about the two subjects at hand.
Carry on.......clap on ...clap off......by the way, I've gotten away with a lot of movement before and have even hade'm rush me when they saw my movement,.....so to say movement is deal killer isn't nearly as true as them hitting the human scent cone.
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Cdog911
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posted June 08, 2010 07:42 PM
Wish I'd known that was the topic of a paper you were doing, Krusty. I'd have sent you parts of the Human Dimension Unit study the Colorado Dept. of Wildlife used to outlaw trapping. You wouldn't believe the crap storms I've gotten into with our state wildlife officials who base 60 percent of their wildlife management decisions off consensus votes in the legislature and polls, and the remaining 40% on what their own data sets tell them is happening with the actual populations. They keep telling me that wildlife management has changed since I got my degree and that, today, it's more about people management. I keep telling them that they've abandoned their principals and the only reason things have changed is because they don't have enough hair on their bums to stand up for what they know is right. We've come to something of an impasse.
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TA17Rem
Hello, I'm the legendary Tim Anderson, Field Marshall, Southern Minneesota Sector
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posted June 08, 2010 08:06 PM
Lets say i am a baboon so whats that make you Monkeys.. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Well I guess I'll go pound my chest and look for a monkey to crap on..
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luckyjack
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posted June 08, 2010 09:16 PM
"Reaching out farther, through directing of the speakers greatest amplitude, is the good reason to wave your speaker around, not to affect the overall dispersal of that sound."
I don't wave a speaker around over my head, but it sure as hell would affect the overall dispersal of the sound.
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Leonard
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posted June 08, 2010 09:32 PM
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"Reaching out farther, through directing of the speakers greatest amplitude, is the good reason to wave your speaker around, not to affect the overall dispersal of that sound."
I don't wave a speaker around over my head, but it sure as hell would affect the overall dispersal of the sound.
Maybe so, but in practice, any tree or set of rocks or undulation in the terrain, even grass could affect "overall dispersal" just as much as waving the speaker around. I think we are getting off on a tangent here?
Anybody remember those experiments with Bell Labratories where they set up two pedestals at opposite ends of an oval room and showed how a whisper could be heard nowhere else but the opposite pedestal?
Good hunting. LB
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Krustyklimber
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posted June 08, 2010 10:36 PM
TR,
I don't put much weight behind those numbers, and I certainly didn't cite them in my paper.
They were gleaned from the Connecticut Sportmen's site, which wouldn't meet the requirements of "scholarly" writings (peer reviewed). And, apparently, were exagerated?
Tim's readings of mouse squeaks actually show that they seemed to be more unidirectional than other sounds he used. But considering the flaws in his testing, those results bear no more weight than the numbers I cited above.
Lance,
I had gotten stuck, early in the outlining process, and considered contacting you (and Higgins) for leads, but I didn't know where you and I were at as far as interpersonal relations, and eventually found enough to get myself going again (it was a great learning experience, in the area of research, which was part of why my dept. head/advisor had me write [an English paper] on a topic relating to my own major).
He totally digs the fact that I have a NWCO background, and actually had me do some consulting on a bird problem the school is having with the new roof that's been erected over the tennis courts.
Thanks a million for the offer, though, just the same. It's nice to know that things can change for the better.
Andy and Tim might be able to take something from that, themselves, eh?
*I finally got going so well that my 5-6 page paper quickly grew beyond 8 1/2, with 2 topics still on my outline that I had to leave out - econimic values of consumptive wildlife usage (in WA and throughout the nation), and rural vs urban voting records on hotbutton issues like predator control.
My English instructor allowed me an extra page, and gave me 10 points (possible) extra credit for it... but when you already have an A those extra points don't amount to much.
I used the fact that the WDFW has the power to overturn these policies established by "tyranny of majority", and has done exactly that with the hound hunting for cougars pilot program that is now part of the hunting regulations, to make the very point you do... they don't have the balls to tell urbanite voters to butt out, even though they have the power to.
Luckyjack,
I'll say it again... sound emanates outward from it's source, in all directions.
In some cases the amplitude is greater in a given direction, in Tim's case in particular that's where he's waving his speaker. But that doesn't stop that sound from going where his speaker ISN'T pointed.
Dispersal is infinite, barring blockage, refraction, and/or shadowing (such as Leonard's trees and valleys).
Leonard,
Since when were we supposed to stay on tangent here?
Tim's full of shit, and I'd like the opportunity to point that out, and use my new math skilz!
Krusty
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posted June 09, 2010 06:02 AM
Krusty,
I had a whole spiel typed up yesterday about sound waves, frequency & amplitude last evening, as it seemed like alot of mumbo-jumbo in TA's post about "sound waves"...
Typed it, read it, proofread it, thought about it & then deleted the whole dang thing before ever hitting the ADD Reply button.
So just wanted to thank you for explaining what I was about to attempt myself!
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Jay Nistetter
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posted June 09, 2010 06:53 PM
OK....
I owe everyone some clarifications and corrections to the FOXBANG feature.
FOXBANG is a feature incorporated into the remote and is designed for the remote operator in case the remote operator is the shooter. This is important. For the remote operator. Not for the hunting partner. This enables the remote operator to NOT have to worry about taking eyes off the target to handle the remote.
Depending on the sesitivity setting the report of a rifle fired by the hunting partner MAY set off FOXBANG. 30 yards away...probably not. That answers Tim's question (with clarity I hope).
The 5 sensitivity settings work from 22 cal all the way up. With the unit set on its highest sensitivity setting, extraneous noises may cause the remote to pick up the sound and trigger the FOXBANG feature.
My personal testing was on a test unit having only 2 sensitivity settings. Since that time, extensive testing was done by FOXPRO with all calibers and 3 new sensitivity settings were added. 1-2-3-4-5 with #1 having the most sensitivity for small arms and YES even suppressed rifles.
The setting should be set according to the remote operstor's firearm.
Would a fart set it off on setting #1? That depends on the tightness of the seal preventing escaping gasses. This situation has NOT undergone testing but I'm sure some knucklehead will attempt this maneuver. Consult your dietician and local doctor.
My limited knowledge on FOXBANG was only through self discovery after the unit arrived. I was privy to range testing using many calibers under various settings.
My role in testing was... Whether or not it worked. I did not take it hunting because as we all know I never hunt during the dog days of summer.
If you have other questions I will only attempt to answer questions I know the answer to. Otherwise we will all have to wait until I learn the answer.
Clear as mud??? yes? no?
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