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Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on May 01, 2014, 04:51 AM:
Rainbow trout that is. Hope I'm not boring you guys to death with the fishing pictures lately, but I'm pretty happy with this fish.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 01, 2014, 06:05 AM:
That's a nice fish, Troy!
I would consider having a mount made, if it were me. I had one done of a Wahoo I caught down in Cabo and never regretted it.
My Dad caught a fish very similar to yours except it was a female. The photo of him with that fish is quite a treasure, which I took, had enlarged, and custom framed and presented to him. My sister's daughter wound up with it. One of life's little annoyances.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on May 01, 2014, 06:12 AM:
Two words "NICE FISH"
Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on May 01, 2014, 06:36 AM:
Your killing me! I brought up this pic while working..
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on May 01, 2014, 07:40 AM:
WOW! Nice!
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on May 01, 2014, 08:02 AM:
I would be grinning like the village idiot with a fish like that.
![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by booger (Member # 3602) on May 01, 2014, 09:04 AM:
Very nice, Troy! Guess I am used to catching the hatchery raised trout here in Kansas that are around 10" long and 8-12 ounces...how big is that one?
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on May 01, 2014, 09:33 AM:
Booger a little over 24". I have no idea what he weighed though. I have a goal to catch a rainbow and a brown of 25" or better (preferably better) before I will call the taxidermist. Came real close with this fish, but he wasn't quite there so he went right back into the water.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 01, 2014, 10:02 AM:
Troy, they do it with a bunch of photographs, (that you take) and an Internet search to find a cast, or make one if one cannot be found, then the artist, much like yourself, works with the acrylics and creates a virtual and exact replica, which is better and longer lasting and doesn't involve killing the fish. Kind of the modern method instead of skinning actual organic material. It's no more fake than a photograph.
And, not doing it because of fractions?
You know, I killed the largest badger I have ever seen, should have done a rug but didn't because maybe there is a bigger one, etc. Never happened but I didn't even get a pic, a damned shame, and that's the difference between catch and release and hunting.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: PS my dad's fish was a little over 24"
[ May 01, 2014, 10:04 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on May 01, 2014, 10:13 AM:
Leonard appreciate the info on replica's. I'm pretty familiar with them. Can't quite warm up to them though. As for catching a bigger fish. I had two up to the bank and was reaching for them when they broke off. Both were as big if not bigger than the one in the photo. Plus, I had one fish that I hooked that just took off. It felt like I'd hooked the bottom of the river. He got in the current and my drag was just screaming. Then all of the sudden "tink" my line broke. I was fishing a Rapala with a Rapala loop knot. The knot held but the loop split in half. That fish felt stronger by quite a bit than anything else I caught. He did break the surface once and showed me the top of his head and back. He was a very big fish. Anyway, after all the line failures I switched line and didn't lose anymore fish. Next time I go back I will make sure that the line is not the weak link so to speak. Sure won't be using Stren Magathin ever again! Lost over $40.00 worth of lures to that line yesterday. > ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 01, 2014, 11:01 AM:
Yeah, Stren is kinda doggy, lots of better.
But, we all have had a few break off and of course, they were monsters.
Hope you get the one you are looking for. LB
And, my future Brown mount wouldn't have to be anywhere near 25".
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on May 01, 2014, 11:17 AM:
Any of you guys tried fluorocarbon much?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 01, 2014, 11:20 AM:
My Wahoo, and you can't tell it from a flesh and bones taxidermy.
Cost me (I think) $500, I don't know about others, but this thing will outlast me.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on May 01, 2014, 11:44 AM:
Troy I love the fluorocarbon. I have a couple spools of 6 lbs and 10 lbs. I also love to use the no stretch fluorescent green fireline 8 lbs with a two foot fluorocarbon leader. Works great for trout, catfish, walleyes, wipers, and perch.
Good Hunting( and fishing) Chad
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on May 01, 2014, 12:16 PM:
Chad,thanks for the information.
Leonard cool mount. Do you have a photo of it directly from the side? Those fish are super cool btw. I doubt I will ever catch one, but if I did I'd want it all the wall as well.
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on May 01, 2014, 12:23 PM:
Here's some pic's of some the little one's. All are 20 to 22" by the way. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
The 22 incher. He was pretty stout.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on May 01, 2014, 02:33 PM:
The `little ones` are 20 to 22 inches ???? ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
I'm beginning to hate you !!!!
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on May 02, 2014, 06:10 AM:
Troy,
Great photos, thanks.
I've fished quite a few fluorocarbon lines. My favorite and one of the cheaper brands I like is called Super FC Sniper. I've landed some huge trout on the Kenai with 6lb and 8lb FC Sniper line as well as the incidental salmon. For the most part though on spinning reels, I've been a Maxima Ultragreen line guy. That stuff is "the" line to use when strength and abrasion resistance is necessary. I've tried all of the other standard mono's out there and Maxima straight up smokes them all. Second favorite was Ande line. Unless you're fishing to seriously spooky fish like New Zealand trout or something, fluorocarbon isn't totally necessary on a spinning outfit I'd say. I remember some rivers in Montana though where fluorocarbon might have made the difference.
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on May 02, 2014, 09:05 AM:
Tundra there's also the fact that fluoro sinks. That can make a difference depending on where the fish are holding. Most of the time it is near the bottom. If I'm not mistaken that Green Maxima is not sinking line is it?
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on May 02, 2014, 10:38 AM:
I think the Maxima is buoyant neutral. For fly fishing, I'll run a 8 foot mono leader and then 3 feet of fluoro for bouncing beads. I have usually preferred a mono on rivers, especially when casting into thicker, bushy areas where the line is prone to catching up on things under the water level. When I'm tossing hardware though, my Vibrax, Rapala's and jigs get down pretty quickly and I haven't noticed much difference between the two types of lines. The only place I really notice the difference in using fluoro was in New Zealand in their crystal clear waters and spooky trout and bouncing beads. Those trout seem to put on their spectacles when eyeing a bead it seems.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on May 02, 2014, 02:18 PM:
Several benefits to reproduction fish over natural real fish mounts. Of course, there's the catch and release aspect. But also, a repro can be repaired much more easily than the real deal. if the mount falls from the wall or is roughed up by someone handling it or during a move, the repair work is simple plug and play. A fin gets broken or splits, it's easily removed and replaced, repainted and no one will ever know. Salmonids, like salmon and trout, are notorious about greasing through the skin and paint work in the head which, aside from the skin, is the only part of the original fish retained in a life mount. With a reproduction, that is a non-factor. You just need to shop around and look for different taxis' prior work to see how they do. Price per inch should be comparable.
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on May 07, 2014, 04:10 AM:
Man, those 'bows are just gorgeous!!!
We use fluoro for leader material quite a bit in the salt. Thanks to the smaller visual signature in water, fluoro allows me to run a heavier leader over mono, plus has the added benefit of being more abrasion resistant than mono. That helps bigtime when trying to fool line shy species into biting...
When we're tuna fishing with bait, we can sometimes chum the tuna close enough to the boat to actually see a tuna refuse a bait! They will eat free thrown chunks, but veer away from a hooked chunk, cuz they see the leader!!! Happens even with fluoro, too. In those instances, our hand is forced, so we just keep scaling down in fluoro leader size until the bites start happening. Sometime have to go as low as 30lb. leader to get a hookup...that's stacking the odds against us when the fish get to be decent size.
Circle hooks are the norm, to try to get a corner mouth hookset, which ideally, will keep the light leader from chaffing across their tiny teeth...
May not be able to discern the difference in the lightweight diameters, but fluoro is alot more stiff and tricky to tie knots with, as compared to supple mono. I usually go with a Palomar knot for 20-80lb. fluoro. Heavier than that, leaders get crimped...
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Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on May 07, 2014, 07:38 AM:
Knockemdown, first off, WOW! Fish like that are only a pipe dream for a guy like me. Again WOW! So what brand of fluoro are you using?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 07, 2014, 08:12 AM:
Fred, that's you with the Bluefin, right? I can tell because of the no hair. And, that looks like a Blue Marlin, exactly the same as we have on the left coast? And a size that would actually fit on a wall.
I wondered, when you wrote chumming for tuna, hey they don't have yellowfin over there, do they? But then I saw the pic. You guys use a Zucker's until you get a visual on Marlin and then feed him a mackerel? You use "tuna tubes", right?
Man, offshore bill fishing is just about the ultimate. I wish I could afford to do more of it. Besides, I'm kinda scared of Mexico anymore.
Hey, let's enter the Bisbee this year!
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on May 07, 2014, 10:32 AM:
Thanks, Ursus! Funny, I dream of catching those big trout...its all relative to what's around to chase!!! I use Seaguar and Momoi fluoro...
Leonard, that is a bluefin. We get them from 15 lb. 'footballs'....all the way to to large school & true giant size. Giant is >73" forklength and will be at pushing 300# in the round. This is the more typical size we catch on the troll, a ~60 lber...
We have yellowfins & longfin (true) albacore here, but they are found in the deeper canyon waters beyond 50fathoms. The tip of Hudson Canyon is 74nm from our inlet buoy, so its a long ride to get to yellowfin/marlin country! Bluefins can be caught in as little as 15fathoms, but bluefin hunting is best in 25-50 fathoms depth. Considering the gentle slope of our Continental shelf waters, reaching that depth means a 30-60mile boatride, one way...
Look at this pic, you can tell a yellowfin from a bluefin by the length of their pectoral fins. A yellowfin's pec fins are long enough to reach the anal fins. Whereas, a bluefin's pec fins are more stubby, and will not reach the anal fin when closed up against the body...
These are typical 40-60lb. canyon yellowfins (and holding two tilefish from our bottom drops):
That marlin above is a white marlin. We have BIG blue marlin that haunt the canyons in the mid-late summer. They eat those 40-60 lb. yellowfins like Skittles!!!
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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on May 07, 2014, 10:49 AM:
Oh yeah, we usually troll for white marlin at a snail's pace (3-4knots)towing a synthetic 'dredge' teaser behind the boat. Lures are both naked & skirted ballyhoo. Naked ballys are run on flat lines, close & off to the sides of the dredge. The dredge is the attractant, and the naked ballyhoo 'fleeing' next to the bait ball that the dredge represents get switched onto and eaten. Skirted ballys get run off the 'riggers, and will happily be nailed by any tunas around. Or, blind strike from a whitey...
I think you have striped and blue marlin on your side?
Bisbee's Black & Blue has gotta be a friggin' spectacle of a tournamet!!!! I remember a few years ago, one rauckous nutball had a $1million diamond crusted lure made to drag in the tourney?!?!?!?
A true "money is no object" tournament for the uber rich...
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on May 07, 2014, 11:15 AM:
Knockemdown, those pics are sooooooo cool! Love the direction this thread went. Here's a fish from yesterday. I was able to get off work early so I thought I'd better make the most of it.
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on May 07, 2014, 11:23 AM:
EDIT: posting as you were!
That's excellent to be able to have that bounty available to enjoy, so close to home!!!!
This is my biggest blue, we guesstimated at 800+ lbs. before tagging and release. The lure slid up the leader in this photo is 12" long, for reference! He she comes, "walkin' da dog" up the port side...
Got my hands on her @ boatside...just incredible!!! Her dorsal fin was like 20" tall, and body girth was more wide around than a 55gal. drum...
I will never forget that August afternoon...
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 07, 2014, 11:37 AM:
Yeah, we have striped, blues and sails, but they are mostly different seasons. Truthfully, I'm just as happy to catch Dorado all day long. I caught a big bull once that was about a six footer, probably 75/80 pounds. I do have a pic somewhere, but it would take me all day to find it.
Yellowfin seem to run mostly 35/50 pounds and we look for traveling dolphins, the yellowfins run with them. They jump out of the water kinda like the dolphins when they come up for air, but the tuna actually jump clear out of the water.
Personally, I have never caught a Bluefin or a Bigeye.
The Bisbee would be interesting just to observe. I know a guy with major bucks, but he has never invited me, so far.
But, they try to time that tournament just right for migrating Blue Marlin. I "think" Blacks are rare, but not unheard of?
As far as I'm concerned, big game fishing is just about the ultimate fishing adventure. Truthfully, most of our fishing is in Mexican waters and that's more than a hundred miles south.
Good hunting. El Bisbee
edit: that's a hell of a fish, Fred!
[ May 07, 2014, 11:42 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Okanagan (Member # 870) on May 07, 2014, 07:34 PM:
Gorgeous fish and terrific photo, Troy.
Love the tuna and salt pics also.
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on May 08, 2014, 04:02 AM:
Thanks Leonard & I agree. Having a big Penn International outfit being spooled against a straining drag is the stuff that dreams are made of!
I caught a flyfishing show on TV a couple weeks back. Highlighted was a float trip down the Snake River into Idaho. The country was incredible and the fishing was phenomenal!!!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 08, 2014, 05:09 AM:
Yeah, everything's relative.
There is a lake not far from here that has 2 1/2 pound bluegill. Now, that's a trophy, if you can yank him out of the weeds.
I could be content with 22-24" Rainbows and next time I'm up that way, I'm damned sure calling Troy. And begging to tag along.
Good hunting. El Bee
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