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Topic: Coyote season
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Rich
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posted May 30, 2011 08:34 PM
posted May 30, 2011 01:39 PM
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Seasonal Protection for the Coyote
I’ll try to tie this up and finally put it to rest.
Each spring the subject of hunting coyotes during denning season arises on the boards and is the source of much entertainment.
They usually began with an innocent question or comment about calling when puppies are in the den. Some responded pro ,more responded nay. As the threads progressed and escalated in emotional content they would become personal and sometimes abusive.
Inevitably, some uncaring or unknowing person would post hero shots posing with puppies blown up like a prairie dog and really fan the flames.
Vic Carlson, Cal Taylor and I would participate in these flame wars and we became very good at pointing out the lack of logic and morality in some of the most abusive and emotional posts. We did not make many friends doing so.
To be clear, I do not understand how anyone can shoot puppies for fun. I do not understand how anyone can feel good about the hunt or themselves after killing nursing female coyotes knowing the suffering they just orchestrated..
After such statements it is inevitable that someone would call me Disney Delusional or some such that diverts attention from the real issue of basic decency.
It is my belief that granting coyotes a 3 or 4 month break from the pressure applied to them by callers during denning and pup rearing will benefit us greatly, especially near urban areas that unleash armies of callers each year, by gifting us with larger populations of coyotes with higher security levels than the previous spring.
Many callers agree with the preceding until the issue of hunting seasons for coyotes arises.
My position as an Az resident is that it would be more beneficial for callers than detrimental for the reasons I cited in the preceding paragraph.
Lions, bear, fox, bobcat, badger, raccoon, ringtails, and coati-mundi all are provided protection without any of the chickenlittle scenarios feared by most opponents of a season for the coyote. Naturally, and very importantly, depredation permits must be granted on demand for offending coyotes without red tape or delay.
I just do not buy the argument that providing a season on coyotes will erode our freedoms as many opponents proclaim. Every other animal in Az., with the exception of invasive species, has been provided that protection without robbing us of our rights and freedoms.
But those are only my opinions and personal beliefs and I have never made any effort to have a season enacted anywhere at any time. To each his own.
Alas, in the heat of a debate with a particularly obstreperous and unpleasant individual, who’s posts seemed to question my parentage and my right to breathe his air, I was told that my beliefs were anti American and anti all that was good and pure.
The blithering idiot annoyed me and in yanking his chain I made the major mistake of stating something that was not true just to piss him off.
I stated that I not only believed in the necessity of a season but that I would campaign tirelessly for one. Major mistake. That has followed me for years and bit me in the ass on several occasions.
Most notably Brent Rueb canceled my seminar at the World Event a couple of years ago when provided that info by a couple of my admirers.
Jay Nistetter sent two letters to the Board of Directors and to the general membership of PVCI in an attempt to have me impeached as president of PVCI before I even took office.
And my friend Leonard Bosinski raked me over the coals here:
http://www.huntmastersbbs.com/cgi/cgi-ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=002314;p=1
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If you call the coyotes in close, you won't NEED a high dollar range finder.
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Lungbuster
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posted May 30, 2011 08:38 PM
Didn't I just read this post abaove? Quote fail?
Getting old Rich?
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Rich
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posted May 30, 2011 08:41 PM
For those who are wondering why I copy and pasted the above, I wanted to save it just for my own reference. Mr. Higgins posted on another board that he had changed his opinion in regard to the need for coyote season after talking to a biologist. I knew in my heart that he was not being truthful. He was running for President of a large coyote hunting club at the time you see. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) He can not delete MY post, so he is stuck with the real truth now.
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If you call the coyotes in close, you won't NEED a high dollar range finder.
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Rich
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posted May 30, 2011 08:44 PM
Lungbuster,
Yep, I got old, fat and slow but didn't get stupid enough to lose that good information.
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If you call the coyotes in close, you won't NEED a high dollar range finder.
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posted May 31, 2011 02:42 AM
Damn Rich...
If you want to save it just click,"File", "Save as... Web Archive..."single file.mht" ....
do I need to type slower? ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
That way it will be yours forever. Administrators and mods can't delete it if it's on your computer! ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
I've never killed a puppy... how does that feel Sir? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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csmithers
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posted May 31, 2011 07:14 AM
What would the Internet be without these two at one another's throats? All is right in the spirit world now.
[ May 31, 2011, 09:26 AM: Message edited by: smithers ]
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Rich Higgins
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posted May 31, 2011 07:15 AM
Good morning, Rich.
Knock Knock. What's it like in there, Rich? ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Rich Higgins
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posted May 31, 2011 07:29 AM
FWIW, I did post that a biologist (Ron Day, AZG&F predator biologist) asked me to encourage the large PVCI membership to concentrate springtime calling in the 3 GMU where fawn survival is zero due to to coyote predation.
That was AFTER I was elected president.
We support the AZG&F Dept. 100%
Many of their officers are members of the clubs. Many are dedicated callers and literally one of us.
There is no us against them mindset between G&F and the civilian sportsmen.
G&F hosts seminars, bootcamps, and Sportsman's Expositions throughout the year.
We support and try to attend all of them.
When I encounter a G&F officer in the field I stop and talk with them. They have been, without exception, pleasant, interesting and informative.
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csmithers
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posted May 31, 2011 09:32 AM
People apparently don't understand that you can be selective. One can only be for or against an issue and non-flexible. Which, I don't see being the case here. They're trying to Zumbo you, again.
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Rich Higgins
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posted May 31, 2011 09:58 AM
Not everyone Chris.
Those with triple digit IQs understand the difference.
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Rich
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posted May 31, 2011 11:32 AM
"People apparently don't understand that you can be selective. One can only be for or against an issue and non-flexible."
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Smithers,
With Higgins, it depends on who he wants to impress. Sometimes for it, sometimes against. A Jekyl and Hyde personality ya see.
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If you call the coyotes in close, you won't NEED a high dollar range finder.
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csmithers
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posted May 31, 2011 01:55 PM
I know this much, when you two are battling, one of you seems to be having more "fun" than the other.
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Dan Carey
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posted May 31, 2011 02:30 PM
Set this to music.
I like it, I love it, I want some more of it.
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Cdog911
"There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell.
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posted May 31, 2011 03:38 PM
C'mon Cronk... Nobody loves a hater. Let it go. Most ppl your age are well past the "life's too short" thing to waste what time they have left on being a curmudgeon. With all the bullshit going on in this country today, you pick this?
Dan, I'm thinking that song by Taylor Swift that I dedicated to Tim a while back, "Why You Gotta Be So Mean?"
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I am only one. But still, I am one. I cannot do everything, but still, I can do something; and, because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do something that I can do.
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Rich
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posted May 31, 2011 04:51 PM
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"C'mon Cronk... Nobody loves a hater. Let it go."
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Cdog,
I didn't start this train wreck, Higgins did. Tell your "Buddy" to let it go.
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If you call the coyotes in close, you won't NEED a high dollar range finder.
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Cdog911
"There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell.
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posted May 31, 2011 06:07 PM
"I didn't start this train wreck, Higgins did. Tell your "Buddy" to let it go."
Unless you're wearing a cast on your arm from all the twisting, I don't know that anyone forced you to jump into this discussion, or any other. This issue has been so beat to death and the outcome often not much good for anyone involved that pretty much everyone knows that as long as it's legal in your area, let your conscience be your guide. Whether Rich is my friend or not is irrelevant. You're the one that came in bringing all the venom and seeing what you regard as an opportunity to do Rich harm and that pretty much defines all that is wrong with these boards the last few years. And BTW, whatever happened to "I'll tell you one thing, sir, this is the last time I will have words with you!" or something like that?
Like I said, is this really what you want to spend your time focusing on? Your choice, but speaking for myself, it's getting old. I've got enough drama in my real life to deal with right here. I come here to get away from that. But some people have a simple plan: Cruise, lurk, bitch, repeat. Hell, I've even gotten some good information from Tim's posts recently. Enough so that I'm giving him back his capital "T". Don't make me take your "R".
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I am only one. But still, I am one. I cannot do everything, but still, I can do something; and, because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do something that I can do.
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TA17Rem
Hello, I'm the legendary Tim Anderson, Southern Minneesota Know it all
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posted May 31, 2011 06:21 PM
I like both Rich's. Hey! Does that make me a rich man??? LOL
Not takeing sides but Rich H. did drag Rich C. into this thread by mentioning his name.. To keep the fighting to a minimum the names could of been left out. Right!!!!
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What if I told you, the left wing and right wing both belong to same bird!
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Rich Higgins
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posted May 31, 2011 06:57 PM
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I didn't start this train wreck, Higgins did. Tell your "Buddy" to let it go.
cronk,
I really wish that I could let it go but you or your buddies keep dragging it up and beating me over the head with it. Leonard even did so here.
http://www.huntmastersbbs.com/cgi/cgi-ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=002314;p=1
The purpose of the threads I have posted in the last four days is to put an end to all of the nonsense.
The first post in my coyote season thread clearly stated my position on that issue however it was composed for the majority of the members here and not for the intellectually impaired.
In a good faith effort to finally put this issue to rest and to allow you peace of mind I will compose this statement without any polysyllabic words or complex phrases.
Sorry about that minor slip, cronk. To rephrase, I will use small words and short sentences so you can finally, after all these years, understand that:
I don't give a rats ass if you or anyone else hunts, shoots or copulates with coyotes in the spring or summer. That is your business not mine!!! I just think you're a putz if you do.
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Rich Higgins
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posted May 31, 2011 06:59 PM
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Not takeing sides but Rich H. did drag Rich C. into this thread by mentioning his name..
It would not have made a wit of difference.
I didn't mention your name.
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Cdog911
"There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell.
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posted May 31, 2011 07:07 PM
What is "copulates"? Is that some kinda kinky Po-po thing?
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I am only one. But still, I am one. I cannot do everything, but still, I can do something; and, because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do something that I can do.
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Jay Nistetter
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posted May 31, 2011 07:23 PM
Some people just can't seem to make a point or give an answer without belittling someone first.
Putting the debate to rest doesn't mean bringing it up again.
Recounting events with false and partial information most often leads to false conclusions.
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Understanding the coyote is not as important as knowing where they are.
I usually let the fur prime up before I leave 'em lay.
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Dan Carey
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posted May 31, 2011 07:41 PM
"What is "copulates"? Is that some kinda kinky Po-po thing?"
I don't know, but he spelled it right.
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Rich Higgins
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posted May 31, 2011 08:12 PM
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Some people just can't seem to make a point or give an answer without belittling someone first.
You noticed that about cronk, as well.
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Putting the debate to rest doesn't mean bringing it up again.
Jay is this one of those Zen things?
Debating a subject without mentioning it.
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Recounting events with false and partial information most often leads to false conclusions.
Very cryptic, Jay.
If you were specific I would be specific with specific verification. Specifically.
Try me.
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Rich Higgins
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posted May 31, 2011 08:18 PM
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Not takeing sides but Rich H. did drag Rich C. into this thread by mentioning his name..
I'm hoping that Tim is right about the way this works
Angelina Jolie.... Jolene Blalock....Sarah Shahi
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Dan Carey
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posted May 31, 2011 08:25 PM
I want one, I want one.
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