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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 16, 2010, 08:42 AM:

Hey you drones out there! How are you going to fill out or answer the questions on the form? Will you return it promptly, as "suggested" or ignore it as some of our rabble rousers want?

Simple, easy to follow poll. Tell us all about it.

Posted by JohnLK (Member # 1978) on March 16, 2010, 09:04 AM:

On the one sheet dated March 1st it says in bold letters"Please complete and mail back the enclosed census today". Then the 1st question asks "How many people were living or staying in this house or apartment or mobile home on April 1st 2010." It's not April 1st yet so how do I know what will happen?

[ March 16, 2010, 09:05 AM: Message edited by: JohnLK ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 16, 2010, 09:47 AM:

Just vote in the damned poll, JOHN! We will iron out the details later. Thanks! LB

Posted by tlbradford (Member # 1232) on March 16, 2010, 09:58 AM:

It's times like these when I am most reminded of my favorite movie quote.

"Screw 'em. Screw the government"

Anthony Hopkins - Legends of the Fall

Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on March 16, 2010, 11:48 AM:

I looked at your two questions Leonard, but did not vote because I ain't a pin head. I will fill out the census form because I can't afford to pay the $5,000 fine.

Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on March 16, 2010, 12:38 PM:

Its a $100 fine. Im going to do what the constitution says. Write in the number of people living here and no more.

Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on March 16, 2010, 01:06 PM:

I can't afford to lose $100 right now.

[ March 16, 2010, 01:06 PM: Message edited by: 4949shooter ]

Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on March 16, 2010, 01:07 PM:

I read it was a $5000 fine also.

My census got lost in the mail.

Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on March 16, 2010, 01:44 PM:

I'm glad I'm not alone, because when I started to fill out the census form last night I immediatley got pissed when the questions about race came up. I left'em blank and damn near shitcanned the the thing.

So, all I'm required to do is give the number of people living in my house?

[ March 16, 2010, 01:44 PM: Message edited by: Lonny ]

Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on March 16, 2010, 01:51 PM:

Lonny,

TITLE 13 > CHAPTER 7 > SUBCHAPTER II > § 221
Prev | Next § 221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers
How Current is This? (a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not more than $100.
(b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a) of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500.
(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, no person shall be compelled to disclose information relative to his religious beliefs or to membership in a religious body.

Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on March 16, 2010, 01:53 PM:

Lonny all that is required by the constitution is to let them know how many people thats it.
The rest is none of their dammned business.
oh ! and voting in Leonards poll is also reqd.

Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on March 16, 2010, 02:14 PM:

Thanks Andy and Paul.

Voted in the poll and I'm a member of the "Human Race."

[ March 16, 2010, 02:15 PM: Message edited by: Lonny ]

Posted by Bryan J (Member # 106) on March 16, 2010, 02:30 PM:

$5000 was quoted from the U. S. Census Bureau by CBS. They didn’t reference the law, did they check it or just print it on the say so? The law quoted by Leonard and now Andy at $100.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 16, 2010, 02:34 PM:

I am thinking that I will force them to make a housecall so I can give ACORN a piece of my mind. POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 16, 2010, 03:02 PM:

I work for the federal gubmint, so anything they want to know about me, they already know.

My understanding, from an interview I saw on TV the other day was that the law also states that the census can include any question deemend relevant by Congress, which BTW, approved this census form.

The Census Bureau is by no means operating unilaterally and inside a bubble if you think for a minute that they don't know who you are, where you live, how much you make. Those letters and the form you got today were sent out based upon mailing lists maintainaed by people like me in your Post Office. We're required under law to maintain current occupancy listings to within 90 days, so they knew mailing these things that your address was occupied. I've been told that the Census Bureau is working closely with the IRS, too, as far as cross referencing who lives where by name/ addy.

There was a time, back in "the day" when you could hide. Not so anymore. Your name and everything about you is in the system and on the grid, and reinforced everytime you swipe your debit card or write a check, make a deposit to your account or transfer money. Don't think so? Move and see how long it takes the good folks at Publishers Clearing House to find you. They need to sic those bastards on Osama bin Laden. They'll find him inside three days and let him know that he may already have won!!!.

Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on March 16, 2010, 03:29 PM:

I just filled out our census form, and didn't see anything to get excited about. Like others have said, all that information is already in the data base or needs to be current.

Posted by Bopeye (Member # 907) on March 16, 2010, 05:17 PM:

Possumal,
That's because you voted for Obama and you are still very much in love with him and everything he does.
If you weren't blindly following the anointed one you could see it, but it is proven that blind folks can't see. [Razz]

Posted by oslo (Member # 3517) on March 16, 2010, 05:46 PM:

It is also proven that some people cannot see their feet. Huh Bopeye? [Wink]

Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on March 16, 2010, 05:47 PM:

Bopeye, what in hell are you talking about?

Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on March 16, 2010, 09:07 PM:

Hell, I haven't recieved one. Any chance I have slipped through a hole in the 'grid'? Down side is, how will Ed McMahon find me?

Maintain

Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on March 17, 2010, 12:48 AM:

Hmnnn...

Considering the fact that Ed McMahon died last year, you may not want him to find you! [Eek!]

Posted by Bopeye (Member # 907) on March 17, 2010, 05:01 AM:

Oslo, I see my feet just fine when they are resting on your coffee table. [Razz]

[ March 17, 2010, 05:02 AM: Message edited by: Bopeye ]

Posted by TheHuntedOne (Member # 623) on March 17, 2010, 05:18 AM:

quote:
Those letters and the form you got today were sent out based upon mailing lists maintainaed by people like me in your Post Office.

Not true, sorry. In the Spring of last year, the Census sent out people to GPS map EVERY address in the US. It was called Address Canvasing, and was the basis for all future Census operations.

There are now four Census Operations going on, or about to start. The most important are the mass mailing. In addition to the mailing of Census forums, Census canvassers will go to homes the Census mapped last spring and hand deliver questionnaires at address they do not think would be delivered by the post office.

After the Census receives all the forms back, they will then compare them to the addresses they canvased last year, and then if no form was returned, they will send canvassers back to those addresses to have the forms filled out while they are there. This operation is called Non Response Follow Up, or NRFU, and shows someone at the Census has a sense of humor, as they named it Non Response F.U.

If you really want to pissed at the Census, here's a treat for you.

The Census passed out NASCAR hats to their employees a couple of weeks ago. They are sponsoring a car in this seasons NASCAR. Anyway, the hats they passed out were very nice. You would expect to pay 25 to 30 bucks for one if you bought it.

The sad part is, every hat had the label cut out of it. With all the government talk about putting Main St back to work, it appears the Census bought their hats from a manufacturer in China.

I have two very good friends who are now working for the Census here in NH, one lives right next door to me.

In his training manual, under the heading of Safety, the first thing mentioned is that all Census workers should wear "comfortable shoes" in case they have to run. No kidding.

We have had one Census worker in NH, and two in Maine assaulted already.

I wrote 4 on my form, and included a note that the rest of the information requested was intrusive and I did not feel comfortable sending my personal information through the mail.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 17, 2010, 06:08 AM:

Three people assaulted in New England? Aren't they mostly Democrats?

I can't wait 'til they get to those states with really violent Libertarians and Conservatives! Eek!

Good hunting. LB

Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on March 17, 2010, 06:56 AM:

Possumal wrote: "I just filled out our census form, and didn't see anything to get excited about. Like others have said, all that information is already in the data base or needs to be current."

Reminding the government that my family is white and own our home, doesn't seem like the best idea.

Al, good stuff to know. I do reckon things might get tougher for the census folks out west.

[ March 17, 2010, 06:57 AM: Message edited by: Lonny ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 17, 2010, 07:09 AM:

(March 16) -- Despite months of skepticism from conservative politicians and pundits, at least as many Republicans as Democrats now say they are certain to participate in the 2010 census, a new poll finds.

According to a Pew Research Center poll conducted March 10-14, 74 percent of Republicans surveyed said they "definitely will" participate in the census. That number is up 20 percentage points from when Pew asked the same question the week of Jan. 6-10.

The strong showing of support for the census among Republicans comes after months of criticism from conservative figures.

Ross D. Franklin, AP
At least as many Republicans as Democrats claim they will fill out census forms this year, according to a Pew Research Center poll.
Rep. Michele Bachmann, for instance, declared in a June interview with The Washington Times that she would limit her participation in this year's census.

"I know for my family the only question we will be answering is how many people are in our home," the Minnesota Republican said. "We won't be answering any information beyond that, because the Constitution doesn't require any information beyond that."

Conservative pundit Michelle Malkin said in October that the census has a liberal bias. "There's the troubling alliance between the Census Bureau and the aggressively partisan Service Employees International Union -- whose many leading officials and organizing tactics are inextricably intertwined with the disgraced personnel and methods of the ACORN community organizing racket," Malkin wrote.

Meanwhile, 72 percent of Democrats polled said their participation in the census was assured, up five percentage points from the January survey. And 67 percent of independents said they are certain to participate, up 13 points since Jan.

Regardless of party, 87 percent of Americans say they "probably will" or "definitely will" participate in the census. Seventy-nine percent of those polled say they consider filling out the census forms a "civic responsibility," and 73 percent said they did not believe that the census aided a particular political party.

Just 54 percent of those polled, however, correctly identified the main purpose of the census as helping determine the number of representatives each state can send to Congress, a 10-point decline from the January survey.

For its latest figures, Pew interviewed 1,500 adults living in the continental United States. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Posted by Brad Norman (Member # 234) on March 17, 2010, 12:00 PM:

"Conservative pundit Michelle Malkin said in October that the census has a liberal bias."

I filled mine out last night and was unable to find any bias in the questions. Maybe I need to go back to the eye doctor to make sure my skeptical eyes aren't deceiving me?

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 17, 2010, 12:50 PM:

You can't say what this administration will do with information that appears to be nonbiased? Michelle might have seen a previous draft? Who knows?

My personal opinion is that the questions address a privacy issue, or two. Or, three?

The stated objective is simply to count heads so that the various congressional districts receive the representation to which they are entitled.

How does this justify asking if you own your own home, as a for instance?

And, they have so much power to find out if you own your home; I fail to see why I should be compelled to provide the information voluntarily?

What a load of crap to threaten millions of viewers with an outrageous lie about a $5,000 fine! Think of the offenses that are far more serious and the potential fine is not even close to $5,000. I doubt it was a mistake. An intentional lie and probably from some untraceable functionary in the Obama whitehouse.

Good hunting. LB

Posted by Bopeye (Member # 907) on March 17, 2010, 12:53 PM:

Wonder why they need to know if we are espanol?
Why do they need to know what kind of espanol we are? Mexican, Chicano, Puerto Rican, Cuban?
Why not ask if we have green cards or not?
Gotta know if we are black, Negro, chinese, etc?

Why do they need to know if we are staying somewhere else sometimes? What's wrong with me staying in my bunker a couple nights a week preparing for the zombies?

I just thought a census was to see how many folks we had in the U.S. for seeing how many reps we could send to the Hill.
Looks more like they are trying to see geographical regions that could use more "bail out money" and which ones need taxed a little heavier.
Call me paranoid, I don't give a shit. I do know I trust nothing having to do with Obama or the Acorn clowns that got him there.
Oh and btw, yes the ACORN bunch is neck deep in this shit. [Wink]

Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on March 17, 2010, 01:23 PM:

I figure I'll just tell'um a lie. LOL

Posted by Brad Norman (Member # 234) on March 17, 2010, 01:34 PM:

Federal law requires that the information remain confidential for 72 years. I doubt if I will care when that time period runs. However, if you believe that this administration, or any subsequent administration is in violation and releases your information...please don't hesitate to call me.

Posted by oslo (Member # 3517) on March 17, 2010, 02:55 PM:

So thats what stunk up my coffee table? Geezus, I thought the dog was rubbing his butt on it again!

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 17, 2010, 02:57 PM:

I shore will, can't be none too careful. Once they find out about my house, they might tell both gal friends. Then whut? There is something partik suspicious about holding that info for only 72 years! Just to be safe, it should be at least 102 yrs. & 6 months. Under Obamacare, I have no doubt we all will live that long.

Don't worry, I WILL call you!

Good hunting. LB

Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 17, 2010, 05:32 PM:

quote:
Not true, sorry. In the Spring of last year, the Census sent out people to GPS map EVERY address in the US. It was called Address Canvasing, and was the basis for all future Census operations.

True. I found 2 of those guys wandering lost on my mail route looking for different streets. LOL

Where do you think they got the address list to GPS? I have 538 delivery points on my route. Each of these - vacant or occupied - is listed in sequence of delivery in a book at my case (desk). When someone moves and the address becomes vacant, I mark it. After 90 days, it is marked as vacant in the national database. This same database is sold to mass mailers everyday. We are mandated by Congress and law to provide "universal" delivery which means delivery to every address in the country, 6 days a week, with exception of the bottom of the Grand Canyon and a few remote places in Alaska. If an address exists, it appears in our database, and that is the starting point for the census canvassers, I guarantee you.

I did identify two people who did not receive a census form yesterday because they live in apartments over commercial properties that are listed as commercial versus residential and the census ppl didn't send forms to businesses.

[ March 17, 2010, 05:34 PM: Message edited by: Cdog911 ]

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on March 17, 2010, 07:04 PM:

So................if the information remains 'confidential' for 72 years, how does anybody know if the data is being tampered with or not????

No.......Wait...... Those nice folks at Acorn are involved. They work on important stuff like presidential elections. I'm sure that we're ok. [Eek!]

Posted by 32below (Member # 2075) on March 17, 2010, 07:25 PM:

Hmmm. Fill out and return immediately but the head count must be as of April 1, 2010. Today is March 16 so I guess I will fail to fully comply. What if a family member dies or moves out after you complete and return the form but before April 1? grrrrrr mine will sit on the counter till I get damned good and ready. Us folks in the hinterland don't count anyways.

Posted by 32below (Member # 2075) on March 17, 2010, 07:43 PM:

Just read this "thing". First they tell ya not to count persons living away at school or in the military then when you list the "occupants" you have an option to check whether that person is living away at school or in the military. I hope they didn't pay for "professional" services to design this thing. Hey maybe I could get a job designing the next one and retire wealthy? Wanna help Lance?

Posted by Bopeye (Member # 907) on March 17, 2010, 07:56 PM:

That wasn't the dog's butt oslo. [Big Grin]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 17, 2010, 08:28 PM:

I'm sorry, but why 72 years? Why not a even number like 65, or 66, Maybe it has to be devisable by 12?

Can't somebody TELL ME!

Good hunting. LB

Posted by TheHuntedOne (Member # 623) on March 18, 2010, 10:10 AM:

If you are having trouble with the Census form...here is how to fill it out

http://www.spike.com/video/snl-christopher/2778118

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