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Topic: What about the 17 Creedmore?
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Leonard
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posted June 03, 2026 06:13 AM
Those Creedmore’s are the hot ticket for just about anything that flies or trots and sneaks around. So, I’m thinking about necking a 6.5Creedmore to 17 for coyotes. I can’t be the first one to think of it?
What does the Peanut Gallery think about this revolutionary idea? I think it will be the next big thing. Can’t miss!
LB 🐝
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Kokopelli
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posted June 03, 2026 07:43 AM
I dunno ............. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
How many Feets Per Second ???
What twist ??? How many RPM s ???
Hollow Point ??? Boattail ???
Mono or Bonded ????
Too many variables. Maybe just go with a 30-30.
Iron sights.
Get 'em the way Granpa got 'em !!!! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Leonard
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posted June 03, 2026 10:39 AM
Yes! Yes! that’s the big question! Rate of twist? Since everybody has gone off the deep end with super long and heavy bullets, maybe at least 77 grain? We should probably specify a one turn in (what?) 6’5” or faster!
That’s the stupidity of the whole Creedmore circle jerk! everything LONG RANGE! I remember when Tim Beale thought he would take a 7MM Rem Mag and camp out on a cliff overlooking some frequent travel path where he had seen coyotes passing and coming. And so he would dial it in and wait them out from way out yonder. I never heard if he was successful, but that’s the idea.
Makes no sense to me but this is the CREEDMORE MISTIQUE! Anything is possible if the name conveys magic! The confidence factor alone is worth-a lot, at least on paper. There will be swooning nimrods sure that they hold Lightning in a bottle type of confidence, knowing that the CREEDMORE label is a guarantee of success.
Ah yes! If it were that easy! A positive attitude and a powerful name is all it takes, for success! So, how far is possible? I think Tim was counting on 800-1,000 yards with a 7Mag and 175 grain bullets. But since this would be a Creedmore, probably 1,000 yards is average, I think? Besides, anything past 500, is 1,000 ballpark.
I think we can just call this new cartridge the thousand yard coyote killer! If Marine snipers can kill insurgents at a mile and a half, we should be able to dump coyotes at a measly 1,000 yards. Right?
LB 🐝
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Kokopelli
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posted June 03, 2026 12:08 PM
As woodslore / craft skills decline we rely on technology to fill the gap.
Technology makes a wonderful servant but a poor master. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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Leonard
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posted June 03, 2026 03:40 PM
You see that, right there! That’s just the dispensing of sage advice I have been talking about! With a little bit of corn pone thrown in, every so often.
And FREE!
El Bee 🐝
Edit: Pinky is getting bold! That little rascal flew across the whole width of the yard, landed in a Plumaria. He can chew that tree into canon fodder, given a chance! But, I’m putting him on a short leash from now on or clipping his wings. But no more freedom for Pinky! It’s a good thing my daughter saw him go past the slider or I would have been looking for him in the other direction like yesterday, when he got up in the cactus/fig tree. In fact, he’s not going outside until he’s clipped, he’s getting a bit too frisky! He has suddenly discovered that he can fly! No soup for you, Bucko! LB 🐝
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NVWalt
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posted June 04, 2026 05:05 AM
Now that cartridge you propose has got to be a winner. I mean ,I'm pretty sure it will just knock my little pipsqueak 17 rem's dick in the dirt. 17 Creedmore Whiz Bang 5000 sounds like a good handle or 17 Creedmore Coyote Vaporizer?
The scribes will be touting it as the best coyote round ever devised by man or woman. And SURE to put fur up with ease.
The 5000 of course being the terminal velocity of that 75 gr 17 pill. Just imagine what it could do with a meager 25 gr. HP. 1000 yard shots at coyotes should be in any FoxPro toting coyote slayers repertoire. I NEED one.
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Kokopelli
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posted June 04, 2026 07:06 AM
"The Vaporiser" !!!1 Now, THAT has Panache !!!
With the proper load & spin that should blow the coyote right out of it's skin, the pelt ready for the stretcher.
When will shares of stock be available ????
We're gonna be so rich that our slaves will own slaves !!!!
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posted June 04, 2026 07:35 AM
Leonard...I hope you have a patent for this soon to be Government round replacing that NOBLE coyote killing 556 /223.
You get royalties on great stuff like that you know.And I hope you include this small group of cartridge developers and Master Gunsmiths of varying degrees. Absolutely YOU TUBE Certified I am sure,
here on this board.
Assuming,a
great word lol,you get so rich you could share?....
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TA17Rem
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posted June 05, 2026 05:36 AM
Just a cunt hair over bore but hey whatever makes you happy.
I was thinking more along lines of a 17 Valkrie, same capacity as 204 case but better. If 30 gr. bullets would be available the build would of been done already. oh maybe a 204 Valkrie with 35 gr. or 40 gr. zip bullets.
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Leonard
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posted June 05, 2026 08:22 AM
For youse guys that don’t know; the 17 caliber boat has left the pier, ain’t coming back this century. It was fun, while it lasted. If it won’t kill a coyote, what good is it? I’d put my money on something that hasn’t yet been abused, like 23 caliber, or even 29 caliber. Maybe 18 caliber? Victor has already wrung out the 19 caliber and gave up. He don’t hang with nothin’ for very long. Except I forgot; he might be still be exploring 17 caliber possibilities.
LB 🐝
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Kokopelli
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posted June 05, 2026 09:15 AM
How about ...... Drum Roll ......... The 30-30 Valkyrie Vaporiser ???
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Leonard
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posted June 05, 2026 09:20 AM
NOT EVEN!
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TA17Rem
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posted June 05, 2026 10:07 AM
I never like 30-30 because of case design. (rimmed case)
Leonard the 17 cal isn't dead yet! The 17 f.B. is still popular and 17 Hornet. Thing is though they only make ammo with 20 gr. or 25 gr. bullet. the 25 gr. bullet will work on coyotes its just range and bang flops are limited and why the 30 gr. has always been the better bullet. I don't understand why they dropped a 30 gr. for the lighter bullets. The 30 gr. was a bullet that didn't need fixing, it got the job done. So now days the guys with 17 f.b. and 17 Hornet are killing coyotes with well placed head shots so they say.
as for case to build 17 cal off of the 221 f.b.,17 rem, 204 ruger case, 224 Valkrie and then 22 BR or 22 ppc and thats about max for case choice. Can only push a bullet so fast and can be same deal with 224 cal. bullets and why the 243 or 6mm rem. are about max for case size in 224 range..
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UTcaller
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posted June 05, 2026 11:15 AM
No, I’m afraid Leonard is correct….. As a Coyote caliber, the .17 is indeed dead. The availability of the good Coyote bullets have dried up and unless you’ve hoarded a bunch from the past it really isn’t worth having one. I still have around 500 rounds of good Coyote bullets for my .17 Tactical. But after they are gone so goes the .17 Tactical. It was fun while it lasted though.😁
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posted June 05, 2026 11:26 AM
That being said, I still like to shoot prairie dogs, rabbits,rock chucks, and red fox with my .17 Ackley Hornet and 20 grain Vmax running 3700 fps…..
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Kokopelli
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posted June 05, 2026 01:25 PM
So ............ How long will it be until someone with a really high powered A.I. Program punches in all of the data & parameters' for the perfect combination of caliber, load, twist, boollet, yadda yadda yadda and develops the absolute perfect combo, making everything else under the sun obsolete ?????
Then what will have to argue about ????
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Leonard
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posted June 05, 2026 02:11 PM
Perfectly understandable! I think it’s a novelty cartridge for not serious coyote hunters. Yes, it’s great for non damage, but even with the right bullet, I have pass throughs from a 22-250 Ackley, maybe a hole you could put your thumb through, but hardly noticeable even though I’d probably sew it and it would be very difficult to detect. But the difference is in smack down with authority. If you are strictly a hide hunter, yes you will be selective in your shots and deal with it. Yes, a seventeen will kill a coyote, but it does have limitations. This is like driving a Prius. Everybody knows it’s unimpressive, but it gets good mileage. When all is said and done, that’s about all you can say about it. Saving money on gas. Big whop!
Anyway, I’ve shared my opinion about 17’s and y’all are tired of hearing about it. So excuse me!
LJB 🙊🙈🙉
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posted June 05, 2026 02:28 PM
I did not see ko ko’s response. But, it’s like this. There aren’t so many suitable coyote cartridges that the shooting world hardly needs another one. But, we are all tolerant of other’s opinions….right? So, dream up your perfect coyote cartridge while we wait breathlessly to know all about it. Do you know how many standard envelope sizes are available? Design your own version and the world will not beat a path to your door. You will be ignored.
As it is, we have so many adequate coyote cartridges, and there is room for one more. I’ve even killed a couple coyotes with my 300WinMag, while pursuing other game. Yeah, it works, puts them down with authority. Is it more gun than necessary? Of course. But it is capable, can’t argue with that.
Anyway, use what ya got!
LB 🐝
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posted June 05, 2026 05:41 PM
" ........... use what ya got".
I go thru a lot of feathered death pointed sticks but my skinning knife will probably last forever.
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TA17Rem
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posted June 05, 2026 05:46 PM
well I got a few vid.s with 17 Pred. and say you wrong about its killing power. the berger 25 gr. is still alive and it will work just as well in a pinch. Pass throughs with ackley, yep that dam 60 gr. just too much bullet, 52 gr. does same job with less damage and no you don't have to aim for sweet spot just aim for the kill zone like you do with any other caliber. Hides are important even if they worthless and over kill is just that, over kill.
My gunsmith got me started on 17 cal. no one else gets credit for it, Its been a long road and I never looked back and happy where i'm at.
some say we shouldn't be shooting coyotes at long range, if thats the case then 17 Pred. fits to a T and nothing, i mean nothing else is any better for the job.
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posted June 05, 2026 06:47 PM
I would take the 60 grain Berger any day and any time over the 52 grain Berger in the .22-250 Ackley…… 52 grain Berger is better served with the .222 Remington….
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TA17Rem
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posted June 06, 2026 06:08 AM
I know you will. the 42 gr. double h.p. is a better choice of bullet for 222 or 221 f.b. for that matter. get to know your bullets. LOL
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posted June 06, 2026 08:01 AM
Tried them years ago never liked the way they performed in my 221 fireball. Probably the main reason I didn’t build a .19 Caliber back in the day, the cartridges really interested me just wasn’t a fan of the bullets.
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Leonard
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posted June 06, 2026 10:01 AM
Everybody has their ideas, what’s the best, or what’s the most efficient, or some other yardstick of worth.
I have not tried everything there is, I have tried some logical cartridges, main line nothing freaky, just no nonsense non failure stuff.
For a 25’06Ackley, really, there is no other logical choice. The 100 grain bullet does everything worth doing. Period.
In 6mm, or 243, I prefer the 6mm but I also have a couple 243’s. Anyway, 85 grain bullets are what works best for coyotes. I have used 105 grain Speer for mule deer-no complaints. I’ve used 60 grain and 75 grain bullets, usually on day stands, they kill very well on day stand ranges, but the 85 Sierra is the most reliable, near or far.
In .224” depends on your case capacity. If a 223 is all you got, well….you ain’t serious. But I guess any 55 grain bullet will do.
Now for higher capacity cartridges like for instance a 22-250 you need to stay away from 52, and53 HP. 55 grain is bare minimum but I like 60 and 65 grain, not considering the long range heavy bullets. I love the way a 65 grain bullet will blast through a center hit coyote and out the far side without blowing the hide tosmitherines. It’s perfect, clean pass throughs. Plenty of hydrostatic shock for bang-flops. There’s really no flaws on a 22-250Ackley a@3850+fps. Wonderfully efficient kills, no deviation no nonsense kills. If you are a serious coyote hunter, this or a plain vanilla 243 is what you should be using.
LB 🐝
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posted June 06, 2026 03:53 PM
The 52 gr. has always been the prefer choice long before you was hunting Leonard. don't believe me then look it up in some of the old cartridge books. The Sierra 52 gr. has been around for 56 years. considered a highly accurate target and predator bullet and set 200-300 yards records in shooting matches. The Hornady 52 gr. H.p. and speer 52 gr. H.P. are not the same animal, and one issue I saw in them was h.p. was too small. I seen some 55 gr. h.p. and h.p. hole in them is too large.
I tried the Hornady 52 gr. H.p. and then came across siera 52 gr., never bought another box of the hornday 52 h.p..
for 243 the 58 or 68 gr. has worked best for what choices you have but I'd rather not even use one.
I've shot enough coyotes with all kinds of bullets no point in looking any farther but just for shits and grins I picked up few boxes of 60 gr. bullets so you guys better not be shitting the peanut gallery.
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