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Leonard
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posted May 05, 2025 10:18 AM
Okay, yeah it’s fun to shoot at fucking gongs once in a while. But the whole trend is developing specific long range calibers with fast twists and extra long bullets. Now they got a backcountry that has a steel case and north of 80,000psi. WUT FIR?
Yes, the world of hunting has been waiting, WITH Bated BREATH, NO DOUBT! For gear capable of taking game at 800yards! Pity the poor schmuck that lays out $3,500 for probably foreign made rifle and at least 3 grand for the scope and shooting cartridges @ $8 per pop.
What are these dies going to cost? In the first place, at the current prices for components, is there any reason to hand load any more? $50-$60 A POUND for 4831? And this new cartridge uses a brand new propellant that nobody has. The pundits say we may get up to 3 reloads. They are intentionally pricing us out of the market, now it’s $80 for a box of twenty. Who are we kidding? That’s four dollars, and we will not get away with those prices. Really, EIGHT BUCKS PER SHOT!
What about primers? That is the weak link and they have got us by the peanuts! Maybe we need Mil spec primers for the new advancement in cartridge technology? Well, I say, let me shoot old fashioned brass cased ammunition and give us favorable seasons like black powder and archery? Yeah, see, my antique Model 700 is only good for 60,000psi with brass cases so I need a premium and long season during the rut. I know I will be handicapped but I like doing things the old fashioned way, with out dated equipment.
end of rant
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted May 05, 2025 12:32 PM
And so it came to pass that men worshiped at the Alter of the technological addictions that we euphemize as progress.
Some things SHOULD be hard, for in the challenge resides the reward, win or lose. Is it the hunt or just the kill that we seek ????
Suggested reading; A Man Made Of Elk, David Peterson.
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TA17Rem
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posted May 05, 2025 05:22 PM
Always about the hunt, something you westerners would never understand.... After all who came up with all these calling and hunting contests?????
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Leonard
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posted May 05, 2025 07:52 PM
Yes we did and I have nothing to apologize for. You want to look at corruption, check out Bass Tourneys. We in California Varmint callers busted our ass for fucking trophy’s. Other places fucked things up with cash prizes, and then bribed land owners for exclusive access to pristine (and locked gates) country. Sounds fair and sporting, to me? Not! Additionally, we never allowed interlopers, or sponsored teams. Strictly Club members. Leave it to easterners to fuck up a good plan.
Good hunting. El Bee
….and you are an easterner, to a west coaster.
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NVWalt
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posted May 06, 2025 05:40 AM
Once again I have to go along with you Leonard. About all of it. Maybe that's why I decided to mess with that 32-20. But reloading it is 4 maybe 5 times what it cost me to reload it when I used that old gun in competition. Primers alone cost more than powder. But it is fun to play with and actually pretty accurate. In the hands of someone with better eyes than me anyways.
On the contest thing. Money really did ruin coyote contests and I did a few and saw some cheating and just told the wife it was a waste of time. When you are fairly good at what you do at calling coyotes in and you enter a contest you expect to do as well as the rest of the guys and gals and the averages of most of the teams were pretty say ,average. But the winner was many times over the average. Say most of us bring in 5 or so coyotes and the winner brings in 25. As the great sage Elmer Fudd once said' There's something skwoowy here."
New long range stuff is fine for shooting gongs for trophy's etc. but all I see is a bunch of yahoos out in the brush dinging the crap out of game that goes off and dies for the ravens, vultures and coyotes to feed on.
The vast majority of hunters can't hit the broad side of a barn at 100 yards let alone WWWAAAYYYY out there. Most hunters get buck fever and jerk the trigger and flinch etc anyways and really don't have the were with all to humanely shoot game at long distances. End of rant I suppose.
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Leonard
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posted May 06, 2025 11:56 AM
I may have that post laminated for display, Walt! I agree 100%. That’s exactly what happened to us only the winners had 23 and everybody else had 2 or 3. Something’s out of whack here?
Then we found out that those winners had deliberately hunted where other teams expected to go the next weekend, and they waved a light up and down and shot at eyes and scared every coyote to head for the hills, a nervous wreck. That’s really chickenshit, in my book. Anyways, they fucked up everything.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted May 06, 2025 05:32 PM
Look at map Leonard im in Midwest not the East or the dam south. Bass tornys was started in the south and moved there way north and then walleye torneys took over as well. As for you locked gates I never paid anyone to hunt on there land but at one time give farmer a basket of apples or 12 pak of beer just to say thanks. Coyote torneys started here maybe 5-8 years ago. Idea came from south or out west. I enjoy calling or hunting coyotes or even running them with dogs, i don't need a ego boost and don't pay much attension to numbers except of what i just put in my journal for my old keep sake. I have done a few contests though but only as a favor to guy putting them on nothing more.
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Leonard
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posted May 06, 2025 10:35 PM
I got news for you. You are back East. Live with it.
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posted May 07, 2025 05:16 PM
Oh ok Leonard then that makes you a southerner.
Bet you a koko both dress like southerners with stuff like sandles and shorts that start at your knees and flowered shirts and i suppose glasses with the flip down sunglasses. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) ![[Wink]](wink.gif) ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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posted May 08, 2025 02:05 AM
flipped up----uuncool
Flipped down----way cool
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Leonard
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posted May 09, 2025 08:41 AM
Okay, a quiz. Is it Pop? Or a “Coke”, or Soda?
Where I grew up, it was Pop. When I got out here in SoCal, it’s always, Soda. Back in Georgia and So Carolina and Florida, (in the military) they call everything, “Coke” and Carling Black label was the beer. When I was stationed in Texas, it was Pearl, or Lone Star.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted May 09, 2025 05:12 PM
Pop but we also have soda as well which has more fizz. Here you ask for a coke and thats what you get a coke, ask for pepsi you get a pepsi. I think we have a cream soda as well. Beer? Budwiser or Busch.
Not real current on drinks as i stopped drinking long time ago except for glass of wine or peach schapps on ice.
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Leonard
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posted May 09, 2025 05:48 PM
In Minnesota, it was always Hamm’s, the beer refreshing! This was back then. White Castle was really BIG! That’s a weird Burger joint, if ya don’t know. How they ever got famous, I will ever know; but that’s Minnesota for ya. Stuck in a friggin’ TIME WARP! But, they’re cute when they are little.
Good hunting. El Bee
PS Mudflaps rule!
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posted May 10, 2025 08:21 AM
Hams beer? I think they stopped selling it here when you went south. White castle not sure we have any of them left either, but a few places make the little burger called sliders, nice quick eating burger and most of it ends up in your stomach and not all over your face or the floor. Mudd flaps? We call them rock guards now days, saves on the pickup paint. we don't build unpaved roads out of sand we use gravel thus need for rock guards. You know in Minnesota we actually have roads that take you somewhere rather than Cali where you just go around in circles to get to neighbor's house. We can also watch a nice sunset with clear sky verses Cali. you have to put up with all that brown haze or what ever its called.
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posted May 10, 2025 08:59 AM
That's what politicians see all the time. Brown, and they smell shit along with it.
Where I'm at now they call shopping carts "Buggy's" and another thing I noticed about here in this part of the south is WHITE landscapers,No really they are lilly white rednecks on those zero turn lawnmowers.
Hard to believe if you're from the west.
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posted May 10, 2025 11:11 AM
Just called carts here or shopping carts if you talk with someone with some sort of degree.
Land scaping is where money is at these days for a young guy to get his start. The higher ups want pretty lawns and willing to pay for it plus we have a lot of houses going up all over the state so you need someone to build the lawns and make everything pretty. the cities all have a ordnance that you must have a nice yard.
Not sure what you mean by coloreds??? But if its what i think it is we have one in town and the rest are hard to come bye where i live , need to go to the twin cities to see all that sort of stuff.
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Leonard
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posted May 10, 2025 12:29 PM
Where is there some reference to “colored”? But when I was in Augusta, that was a common term. I did see signs, bus stations and water fountains, where colored had a separate accommodation. But we could buy moonshine in just about any bar downtown, in used whisky bottles; and it was never cheap. Georgia wasn’t what I ever imagined, lots of pine trees and a type of ground cover like Ivy where you couldn’t see where you were walking! Always concerned about Eastern Rattlesnakes, which are a hell of a lot bigger than western Diamondbacks that are usually less than 4 foot. We were close to South Carolina, Aycan? Something like that? Deep South blacks in shanties sitting on the front porch, never spent a time there after dark. But, Liberals have changed the name of Fort Gordon because he was a Confederate general. But that was a peace offering, all the military installations were named after some southern hero; and Liberals are doing some retro shit. Southerners never had a problem, WOKE easterners did. Where was I? Who cares?
Gppd hunting. El Bee
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posted May 10, 2025 03:33 PM
Leonard was referring to Walts comment white land scrapers.
Zero turn lawn mower was invented first in Minnesota called "Grasshopper"
Just north of me is a Plantation, only one that existed in Minnesota far as I know. It's a museum now. No colored folk in that area either so not sure who worked the fields back then. Gilfillan is name of plantation; it has a big house and hand full of smaller houses and outbuildings. (Barns and sheds)
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posted May 10, 2025 05:06 PM
There has never been any cultural phenomenon of consequence in the state of Minnesota; and for good and well known reasons! And the fishing ain’t so hot either, unless you like lunker carp? But I’ll quit ragging on my home state, but it’s so much fun! Then you have a couple weenies like the governor and Mpls mayor, now that’s a pair to draw to! Criminally liberal!
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted May 11, 2025 07:28 AM
LOL. The fishing has been at its best but it depends what lake you go to or river. I had my boat in for tune up last fall and will try to have it on the water on Labor Day weekend. Right now the Iwegians are up here getting their share of Bullheads.
We have over 10,000 lakes and each is noted for certain type of fishing or species to go after. Farther north you go bigger the fish and more variety. Hits the rivers for big Channel cats and flat heads and some lakes are stocked with blues. I'm not into bass but we have large mouth and small mouth bass close to home. For me its not about the size of fish but numbers you can catch for a meal and just time on a lake with nice summer breeze..
In the news today I see Cali. is going to vote on a Bill to put a daily bag limit on coyotes. LOL only in Cali. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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posted May 11, 2025 09:37 AM
You know, must have been at least 15 years ago, maybe more, but no matter. I had a house full of guests and had just been fishing and that’s what we were going to feed everybody. I had some Largemouth bass and some Calico’s and a perfect opportunity to compare the taste and surprisingly, the Calicos were far more tasty than the Largemouths. These were the Florida strain introduced into southern California lakes and reservoirs. The Calicoes are offshore southern CA and the local islands like Catalina and San Clemente. For me, when I was SCUBA and snorkeling and spearfishing; the Calicoes were by far the most difficult, compared to everything else that you run into, from Moray’s to Sheepshead’s. Anyway way, I thought that was interesting, there is a 12” minimum on Calicos, easy to catch with anchovies, but chasing them with my 4 band Arbolette was a different story.
So, I know that everybody in Minnesota thinks that the Walleye Pike is the best tasting fish, bar none. I guess so, but it’s been so long ago I don’t even remember how outstanding was the taste? I know this much, catfish might be the greatest but I’ll never know? They are so ugly, I won’t eat them. The ones we had in Minnesota were called “Bullheads” and they were generally black, with a yellow belly. So far as I know, they never get real big, a 3-4 pounder is the biggest I ever saw. But we had a lot of them, I used to catch them by the dozens on nightcrawlers. But just toss them on the bank, they were over populated in the lakes around Minneapolis, basically a trash fish and that’s all we had, suckers, carp, sheepshead and Bullheads, all trash fish. Oh we had panfish too, what we called sunfish and Pumkinseeds, but everybody else calls Bluegill, or Brim. There is such a large variety of fish here in California, it’s hard to compare with Minnesota which has basically Northerns and Walleyes, in the northern half of the state. There, boring, I know but that’s the fishing report for today. lol
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted May 11, 2025 11:22 AM
I've eaten most every freshwater fish that swims, but can take or leave them....Just not a lot of flavor? They all could be classed as tilapia as far as I'm concerned.
Much prefer saltwater species for table fare. Comes to think of it, I bet it's been 20 years since I've cooked up any freshwater fish?
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Leonard
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posted May 11, 2025 01:31 PM
THERE YA GO! This AZ guy seems to know his poop!
No really, I think my favorite eating fish is Swordfish, if you can find it and Halibut steak, not the filet. Grilled. I got a Wahoo down in Cabo one time, and it’s sure a fine eating fish, but how often do you see it on the menu?
Anyway, my taste in seafood runs to King Crab #1 and lobster over fish, you know, with fins? King Crab is possibly the sweetest tasting “flesh” I know of, it’s just phenominal! Anyway.
But King crab is getting a bit pricy. It’s been two years ago at Costco where I saw it offered by the box, frozen for $250. What it is now, I don’t know?
So yes. I agree. Ocean saltwater fish is a lot more tasty than freshwater anything. And landing a Dorado is a show, while reeling him in, (a bull) it’s like nothing else in fishing. They flash all those electric colors, it’s really unbelievable. And difficult to describe.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted May 11, 2025 01:31 PM
THERE YA GO! This AZ guy seems to know his poop!
No really, I think my favorite eating fish is Swordfish, if you can find it and Halibut steak, not the filet. Grilled. I got a Wahoo down in Cabo one time, and it’s sure a fine eating fish, but how often do you see it on the menu?
Anyway, my taste in seafood runs to King Crab #1 and lobster over fish, you know, with fins? King Crab is possibly the sweetest tasting “flesh” I know of, it’s just phenominal! Anyway.
But King crab is getting a bit pricy. It’s been two years ago at Costco where I saw it offered by the box, frozen for $250. What it is now, I don’t know?
So yes. I agree. Ocean saltwater fish is a lot more tasty than freshwater anything. And landing a Dorado is a show, while reeling him in, (a bull) it’s like nothing else in fishing. They flash all those electric colors, it’s really unbelievable. And difficult to describe.
Good hunting. El Bee
PS meant to comment and trash trout, in particular! First of all, the bones make it so formidable, you have to inspect it very carefully and then chew it carefully because you can easily miss one and you are looking at a trip to the EMERGENCY ROOM! Stay away! WTF is all the talk about salmon? Never liked it, don’t know what all the hype is about? And way overpriced!
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posted May 11, 2025 02:42 PM
Crawdads .............. 'Nuf Said !!! ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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