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Topic: 223 and 5.56mm?
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Leonard
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posted April 05, 2025 07:00 PM
I’m confused. I used to think there was no difference besides the designation. But, for years I have been hearing from the chattering crowd that you are risking your very life to be using one type of ammo in your AR15!
What is the truth? Is there some kind of headspace or throating issue? Or what?
So, ‘sprain me? Thanks!
Good hunting. El Bee 🐝
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TA17Rem
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posted April 05, 2025 09:37 PM
5.56 case is slightly bigger. puts out 60,000 psi.
223 puts out 55,000 psi.
5.56 also has little, longer throat, .125
You can fire a 223 round in a 5.56 chamber but cannot fire a 5.56 in a 223 chamber.
Since 5.56 is military round there will be very small selection as far as bullet choices unless someone reloads them for hunting. Not 100% but 5.56 may have a bourdon primer pocket as well, don't reload it so not sure.
Cheap ammo in 223 or 5.56 but only good for target shooting in my opinion.
I used the 5.56 in the military and accuracy wasn't that great and when base had shooting matches different ammo was used for that reason.
I had a T/C pistol at one time chambered in 223 but my xp-100's in 221 F.B. shot better.
Had 223 in Model 7 and also a Mini mark and mini 14 and in AR-15 custom. Nothing there to excite me and last time i owned any.
I'd rather shoot 221 f.b. or 17 centerfires for hunting purposes.
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posted April 06, 2025 02:41 AM
To add a little to the discussion, you can fire both .223 and 5.56 in a rifle chambered for .223 Wylde. It will safely handle both cartridges.
Oddly, while the military 5.56 is higher pressured than .223, the same relationship doesn't hold true for the .308. The .308 is higher pressured at 62,000 psi than the military 7.62x51 at 50,000 psi. So a .308 rifle can fire both .308 and 7.62x51 but a 7.62x51 chambered rifle should not fire a .308. There are exceptions but that is the basic rule.
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posted April 06, 2025 07:15 PM
Okay, thanks.
I have a Colt AR15, I only shoot pick up range brass in it. I have my own determination of operating pressures. I’m well able to read pressure signs and know when to back off.
I also have a Model 700 chambered in 223Ackley Improved. It has Lapua 223 brass and fireformed. Again, I read my own pressure signs. I was a little disappointed to only see more or less a 50fps improvement over 223Remington data, with heavy bullets 55 and 60 grain. Which is the only bullets I ever plan on shooting coyotes.
I don’t like runners.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted April 07, 2025 07:13 AM
You got your reasons for what weight you want to shoot but you also defeating the purpose of the ackey version as well. Less trimming but to also shoot a bullet at little faster speed. Anything past 52 gr. is overweight for that cartridge and thus the vel. suffers.
50 gr. and 52 gr. is where it shines, and you will see a increase of 200-250 fps. gain over a 223 round.
52 gr. bullets been used for over 25 years to kill coyotes and still a top bullet IMO.
I guess you like to back your loads off a little as well from what i read which is fine but if you going to do that then do it with a bigger cartridge, so you still have some energy left.
I hate reduced loads and would rather move down in a cartridge size than to download it and just load to what a manual says for max. safe load.
Back when i was just shooting fox the 223 was just too much cartridge for their thin skin and reduced load was out of the question. Next cartridge in line was the 221 F.B. shooting 42 and 52 gr, H.P. at 3000 fps or just little more with 42 gr.. Turned out the 42 gr. was best for fox and 52 gr. was better choice if i came up against a few coyotes out to 300 yards max.
17 Rem. came along and took care of my problem with both Predators and 17 Pred. just made it that much better.
For little, longer shots the 22-250 with 52. did the job and an improvement when i went to ackley version.
If i felt the need to go to a heavier bullet in 22-250 or ackley then i would of just jumped up to a 243 or ackley version shooting 58 gr. bullet.
Match cartridge to the size of critter you plan to shoot and at what distance on average.
Most max. loads in a Manual are safe loads and many are just under max. for given cartridge and why they a safe load to start with, but you have to find out in each rifle and with what powder, bullet you plan to use.
Sierra has load info for a 223 bolt as well as for the 223 AR, AR cannot handle same pressure as a bolt gun so be aware of that. Another reason why i don't like a short, barreled AR, you lose too much in Vel.
Edit to add; Over the years i seen coyotes shot with most everything from 300 winchester on down and it don't matter what bullet you use on a coyote if you don't hit the right spot its going to run, simple as that. Seen many coyotes shot in the guts put some miles on as well..
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posted April 07, 2025 07:50 AM
You have good reasons and I have good reasons. I used 52 grain match bullets for years in my 220 Swift, when night hunting.
Complicated, but then we were starting to get beat by teams that were hunting south. So, that’s presented some new conditions and requirements, suddenly with my new 22-250Ackley, I was getting blown up bullets at extreme velocities, around 4300-4400fps.
Then, because of my twist, I couldn’t stabilize 70-75 grain bullets, so I settled on 65 grain and found great bullet performance, frozen rope velocities and 1/2 inch groups. It was a combo defined from on high by god himself.
What I found, parsing data to a fair thee well, was that 52-53 grain bullets really lacked anchoring and killing power at these velocities. Well placed hits resulted in a lot of fussing animals, which distracts when you have pairs and multiples. Anyway, everybody has a theory, and a lot of them won’t work. Basically, if you find something that works, stick with it until it doesn’t.
That’s why I never saw the usefulness of the 17’s. The one we were using wasn’t mine, but we both used it at night, switching off shooters and light man. This was (I forget right now) either the Javalina or MkIV? That’s what happens when it’s not your gun, but it was just one season in which we decided it just didn’t kill good enough for our situation. End of experiment, and worth noting that this all happened when fur prices were trending upwards, but we were still hunting contests, and it’s difficult to reconcile those opposing conditions. I pretty much concluded that the 17, generally was a “boutique” chambering, and kinda impractical for our application. Also, I absolutely NEVER saw a contest hunter using any 17 chambering. That’s pretty conclusive.
I noted a couple of points I could argue but, WTF? Why bother?
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted April 07, 2025 09:21 AM
"Basically, if you find something that works, stick with it until it doesn't."
THAT is a nugget that should be carved into stone. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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posted April 07, 2025 01:58 PM
You sort of right Koko.
I kept logbooks on everything I shot since 1985 I believe. Bullets tried, cartridges and how they performed on live game. (coyotes, red fox) Also I did all the skinning for the group at one time, each coyote marked as to who shot it and with what and how well his load or cartridge worked. It saved me a lot of time and money from buying different rifles with different chamberings to find out for myself.
I had all the numbers or averages you might say so I could figure out what was working and what wasn't.
Just an example would be my Rem. 788 in 22-250, every bullet weight and brand was tried from 40 gr. up to 60 gr. bullets. My choice was decided on what bullet had the best averages for one shot kills and what bullets to stay away from. Also found what bullet speed on avr. performed the best and came up with 3700 fps up to 4000 fps. Once I know what speed i needed for reliable kills made selecting a cartridge that much easier for what animal i was after. Keep in mind i was looking for bullet that also did less damage to the hide but destroyed the inside and stayed there. A through and through bullet is a waste of energy IMO.
The 17 Mach -4 is what i consider a fox cartridge and ok on coyotes at 100 yards or less on avrage., past 100 yards is where you get into trouble. I know my limits or cartridges limits, but others may not and thus take a shot anyway and then blame it on the cartridge for something it wasn't meant to do.
When i hunted I always had 2 or 3 rifles along in the truck, each had a purpose just like golfing.
Later on, when I had the 17 Pred. built i mostly just had that along and once in a while brought the 22-250 ackley with. My 17 Pred. had the best track record and why I kept using it.
I also use to set up a steel plate on the range and shoot it with varus cartridges to test penetration. What i looked for was a bullet strong enough and fast enough to bore a hole through the steel plate or leave the deepest crater.
I think it was R.Shaw that once said some guys go overboard on cartridge selection to make up for their poor shooting skills and believe he is right. Same applies with choice of action, bolt or semi auto.
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posted April 07, 2025 04:19 PM
The heck of it is, I've seen this in aspects of archery and other things, is that the shit-hot set-up for one person might be only mediocre for someone else in the same application. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Some things just come down to Mojo & Confidence.
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posted April 07, 2025 09:42 PM
well not everyone holds a bow the exact same or has same straight back or calmness in the body as others . Big hand, small hands, short arms or long arms. Plus it might take years to get use to another's set up which was done for some reason to give confidence or make shoot better. More crap involved when shooting a bow vrs. a rifle, apples to oranges, i guess.
When i bow hunted i just used site pines and kisser button and carried arrows with two different weight of broad heads or a little stiffer shaft.
I used a Onieda screaming eagle bow, not everyone like them or could even shoot them well due to less let off pressure on string at full draw, many didn't have the strength or structure to use one. At the time it was made it was fastest shooting bow on market.
Back to rifles and one thing i noticed when i shot one of the bigger calibers is I held the rifle tighter when shooting and thus you start to get what i call wobble. Then when I switched to xp-100 pistols you held the pistol as little as possible and thus accuracy stepped up. Got into the postal BR matches and gunsmith showed me how they shoot their rifles from the bench with butt of stock just touching your shoulder and a very light hold if any with trigger hand and then just squeeze a round off. Less recoil the better I shoot. LOL
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posted April 08, 2025 02:53 AM
Onieda Screaming Eagle. Now, there's a blast from the past. My wife & I each had one a long time ago. She liked her's and killed a deer in Utah with it. I could never get mine to shoot a clean flying arrow. Sold it and went with a TSS Quadraflex at 92 pounds shooting 2219s that I increased the spine on. Don't know what the FPS was but they were really fast and hit really hard. I was shooting Copperhead Magnum broadheads back then. A truly evil head that tore huge holes into deer. Memories. I was even shooting pins back then. 20-40-60, a dot on the pin guard for 80 and point on at 100. Killed a goat on Catalina Island on a bet by shooting a Judo Blunt thru it's lungs.
Good times. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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posted April 08, 2025 03:03 AM
I just Googled up Black Copperhead Magnum broadhead and was surprised to see that a totally different broadhead is now using that name. The ones that I was using had barbs facing forward, pulled flesh in and cut huge holes.
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posted April 08, 2025 07:33 AM
Getting back to a comment made by TA, sort of discounting bullets that pass through a coyote, and sounding as if it’s a negative. At least as I interpreted it.
My 22-250 Ackley has always used 65 grain HP’s, From Berger and then from Starke. Velocities are right at 3925fps. And on most side presentations, it’s a bang flop and a pass through, no runners, no fussing around. Just clean kills, hydrostatic shock/bak flop.
So, I don’t see any negative? Little to no fur damage and clean no worry kills I found something that worked and have stuck with it. That’s all I have to say about it.
Good hunting. El Bee
PS about the archery craze. I have always heard it lasts for about 5 years and fades away? Here we have a member that found his hobby and is content. That’s wonderful, I’d say. But, then we hear the accumulation of the tackle and discards and the oldie but goodies; by the dozen! Pretty soon you need to add a room on the house to store guitars and/or bows! Oh well, keeps him out of the Honky Tonks! Bless your heart!
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posted April 08, 2025 08:02 AM
I’m with Leonard. I like more bullet with my .22-250 AI too. I have shot the 60 grain Bergers for the last 15 years or so. They have been a great bullet for both killing power and pretty minimal fur damage. Luckily I bought a bunch of them years ago. When I first rebarreled it (Remington 700) it was a 26” Shillen 1/12 twist. The 60’s were running a little over 3800 fps. I cut the barrel to 22” when I bought my suppressor and lost alittle over 100 fps. So it’s running really close to 3700 fps. I haven’t noticed ANY difference in killing power. But I really do love the 60’s.
Also side note. My safe doesn’t have a .223 of any kind in it and never will….
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posted April 08, 2025 08:03 AM
I was once told that we live in 1900 square foot homes with 900 square foot workshops when what we REALLY need is a 1900 square foot workshop with a 900 square foot house somewhere in back.
That man was wise.
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posted April 08, 2025 08:06 AM
To Leonards' original question on case dimensions, the. 223 and 5.56 are exactly the same size.
Difference is in loading and pressure limits.
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posted April 08, 2025 11:27 AM
Koko I had a book back then that showed how to tune the Screaming Eagle, and I also used a arrow rest that was kind of like flat piece of steel with a spring and it sort of like a flipper (up and down) and then had two guide wire type springs for each side of the arrow for support. I would hang up one sheet of newspaper and shoot through it and then look at how the arrow passed through and then make a correction. The goal was to have the arrow pass straight through with small hole and a straight cut with blades. I think I used Rocky Mountain broad heads in two different weights. at time was one of the strongest broad heads and designed to cut bone and penetrate. I killed around dozen deer with mine.
Only reason I took up a bow was so I could hunt deer if my work schedule didn't allow me to be home for shot gun slug season.
I hunted deer with a slug gun, rifle, Muzzle loader and also with Bow as season dates were different so I could make one of them due to work.
Bullets; when hunting big game, you wanted a solid bullet that could break bone and cut through flesh and deliver some sort of shock.
As for fox and coyotes you want a bullet that will dump all its energy on inside and have the bullet stay there if any of it was left. A bullet that hits so fucken hard that it puts the animal into shock even with a marginal hit and then it just lays there for you to walk up and finish with a pistol or a body slam.
A pass-through bullet is not dumping all of its energy inside a animal and you just hope shot was good and hit some vitals before it went out.
At one time I tried using FMJ as the claim was less fur damage. Actually, was just opposite as you had pass throughs with two holes to sew up and crippled coyotes as well. Why?? The FMJ did not dump enough energy inside, so you had to hope you got both lungs and some bone before it passed through. A bullet that expands and shatters inside a animal is dumping all of its energy right there on inside, be like a bomb going off.
After the shot the first good sign of a bullet dumping its energy is when the coyotes' front legs stiffen up and it just tips right over, that my friends is shock. Yeah, you will see same thing from time to time on a pass through as well if you do your part.
After i skinned my coyotes, I would then try to dig the bullet out and see how much of it was left. All i found was little pieces of the copper jacket and have a pill bottle full of the little pieces. But hey a guy wants pass throughs that fine with me and glad everyone happy about it but its something I don't want even on a worthless coyote.
I used a 22 mag. for a short time on red fox, sometimes a one shot kills and other times it took one more shot to finish them. I go and dig the bullets out and they were still in one piece with nose of bullet deformed just a little. This tells me the 22 mag. does not have enough energy for the bullet to do its job properly. I learned from that and stopped using the 22 mag. on fox and use it now just for coon.
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posted April 08, 2025 12:14 PM
Yeah, I paper tune and bare shaft tune with elect. tape wrap to replace the weight of the removed fletch. I think that the bow had a tiller problem.
It's long gone. Now nothing but retro recurves.
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posted April 08, 2025 02:42 PM
Kind of like stick shooting sticks!
Here is another thought. If the 60-65 gr. bullets doing so well why stop there? Why not jump up to 75, 77, and 80 grainers??
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posted April 08, 2025 04:53 PM
For me it’s about balance of weight of bullet and speed for the Cartridge I’m shooting.
If I’m shooting my 17 Ackley Hornet I like 20 grain bullets at 3600-3700 fps.
If it’s .17 Remington,.17 Tactical,.17 Predator it’s 25-30 grain bullets at 3900-4100 fps.
.204 Ruger would be 35-39 grain bullets running 3700-3900 fps. .
.222, and .223 I would probably run 50-55 grain bullets at 3200-3400 fps.
For .220 Swift, .22-250,.22-250 Ackley would be 55-65grain bullets at 3600-3900 fps
And 6mm/.243 70-90 grain bullets at 3300-3500 fps, And so on.
Just my 2 cents
Good Hunting Chad
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posted April 08, 2025 06:00 PM
In my experience, 55 grain Nosler for the Ackley. But you have to push them around 3900 fps or better in order to get the desired effect on coyotes.
Same bullet around 3650 does not do the job I am looking for. I had to begin using the 53 gr. Vmax when I went from 26 inch barrel to 20. Still not super satisfied with it to be honest. I shot a lot of years holding on fur to 300 and now having to hold high takes some getting used to. Not to mention the performance is a little sucky. Next year, I may have to go back to a telephone slung over my back. LOL
I like exits.
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posted April 08, 2025 06:16 PM
I have to agree with that. When I was shooting 60 grain Bergers with my 26” barrel at 3800+ fps I really loved the way they put coyotes down and it was a very flat shooter. Now at 3650+ fps it’s not quite the same. I think if I dropped down to the 55’s I might be able to get to 3800 fps again but I really like how the 60’s shoot.
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posted April 08, 2025 08:16 PM
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For me it’s about balance of weight of bullet and speed for the Cartridge I’m shooting.
If I’m shooting my 17 Ackley Hornet I like 20 grain bullets at 3600-3700 fps.
If it’s .17 Remington,.17 Tactical,.17 Predator it’s 25-30 grain bullets at 3900-4100 fps.
.204 Ruger would be 35-39 grain bullets running 3700-3900 fps. .
.222, and .223 I would probably run 50-55 grain bullets at 3200-3400 fps.
For .220 Swift, .22-250,.22-250 Ackley would be 55-65grain bullets at 3600-3900 fps
And 6mm/.243 70-90 grain bullets at 3300-3500 fps, And so on.
Just my 2 cents
Yeah Chad that makes sense except for 22-250 ackley and 243. Around here the 58gr. does pretty good job in the 243 along with little more speed. And you look at bullet range for 22-250 which runs from 40 up to 60 with the 52 falling close to the middle and has been bullet of choice for many years. But what ever.
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posted April 08, 2025 08:33 PM
52. gr. Bergers and 52 gr. sierra are tack drivers but you best check see how they group past 300 yards.
been shooting the 52 gr. Bergers in the 22-250 Bargara and like them when you can find em.
The 52 gr. Hornady (A-max-Elc) are tack drivers in the 22-250 ackley and group well past 300 yards and it has a plastic tip but thicker jacket and bullet seldom comes out of a shot coyote.
Nephew bought a 224 Valkrie and then tossed the factory barrel and went custom and started out with like a 70-77 gr. bullet and now he is down to shooting the 52 gr. ELC in it. He only shot a few coyotes so far so can't really say if its ok or not. I do know the heavy bullets he used went through and through and left dam mess, perhaps tumbling all way through. You could see the hits with that heavy bullet through his thermal wasn't pretty.
I sent a few thermal vid.s to R. Shaw and he has seen what my load will do so far.
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posted April 09, 2025 09:22 AM
I did mention before that my rifling twist 1 in 12 would not stabilize 70 grain bullets, but 65 grain has great accuracy and I generally get pass throughs. It has killed fine for years but the advantage is for the longer shots 250 to 300. That’s a different kettle of fish because the coyote will be facing you rather than broadside, but still kills very well.
Everybody has it figured out and the other guy is only kidding himself. The thing about that is whatever floats your boat, yeah stick with it.
I will mention that while we discuss the various caliber bullet performance and talk about bullet weight and muzzle velocity….the Dude with the 243 really does have it figured out. I could make a small error on leading a running coyote and hit him in the hams and with the right bullet, they still die bang/flop with a 6mm or 243.
Everybody has a plan so don’t confuse him with data. Right?
Good hunting. El Bee
Edit: what I really mean is that arguing over ballistics is a sure fire way to get the conversation moving! lol
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