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Leonard
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posted March 27, 2025 03:02 PM
Well, I am finding that many old hands have got off the red dot bandwagon, when judging in fractions, a lot of them are a tad slower with the red dot than with traditional iron sights. Accuracy might improve but it’s a few fractions slower. So, where do we go from here?
Anyway, I bought a Mitch Rosen, is that spelling right? Inside the waist band leather holster. Came with a notice that it will require some break in. Yes, it certainly does!
I must admit that I’ve made some progress but still, this device is as tight as a Nun’s ass. Incrementally is a fair word, but this rig has a long way to go! It’s certainly well made and I have spent more time with it than any holster I have ever owned, maybe collectively?
Comments?
Good hunting. El Bee
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Az-Hunter
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posted March 27, 2025 09:10 PM
You definitely snagged a top notch rig. My favored OWB holster Line was Milt Sparks, also great quality rigs. Always a long 3-5 month wait to get one when you're a lefty
I know you hate to hear this shit Leonard, but all my IWB holsters are Kydex. ...yeah, fucking plastic just like a Glock.
I love leather, but for a concealed carry rig, you're seeing the issue...break in. It can be a long haul before it comes close to being slick to draw from.
The Kydex rigs are slick as snot from the get go, always proper tension, always easy to draw, they just be ugly ....pretty is as pretty does I guess?
Good luck, just keep jamming in, and drawing it out.....a million fucking times
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Kokopelli
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posted March 28, 2025 04:48 AM
Try Neatsfoot Oil on the leather.
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posted March 28, 2025 06:23 AM
Have you tried the plastic bag method?
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TA17Rem
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posted March 28, 2025 06:46 AM
I use a crossfire shoulder holster but can be worn off the belt as well. Don't much care for holster you have to stick into your pants.
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Leonard
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posted March 28, 2025 07:18 AM
I’ve spent considerable time working this holster. I did see a video about the plastic bag method but, for the life of me, I cannot see where it applies, in this case? First of all, I think the bag would be ripped to shreds before I made entry.
Also, the Neatsfoot oil, I’m skeptical. This is dyed black leather and it is very ridged with either a steel-plastic or aluminum insert between the layers so I think softening the leather ain’t going to happen.
I also watched a You Tube video by Masseb Yoube, I’m murdering his name, the Arab guy with the toupee? I’m thinking, his recommendation of a 3:30 IWB position is probably the best solution.
Looks like a big number of casual episodes of watching You Tube or TV while jamming it in and prying it out, etc. over and over and scrubbing the interior with a pencil eraser on the high spots. This is much like breaking in a tight bolt action, many repetitions, or lapping the bore with JB paste. I don’t see many shortcuts?
Good hunting. El Bee
Edit: replying to TA. Yes, I agree, on one level but if you are going to carry in this state, (and, between you and me, I do) then you need small enough to stick in your pocket; like either my Seecamp32 or my Bauer/Fraser 25, which is a Baby Browning clone. Any (outside the waistband) means you must wear an untucked Hawaiian buttoned shirt, or similar.
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TA17Rem
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posted March 28, 2025 01:38 PM
Sure, you right but I don't like any pistol with short barrel, and I don't carry all the time either.
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Leonard
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posted March 28, 2025 04:39 PM
Yeah, so I just read your custom title, but who gives a shit you don’t like short barrels? Ain’t this about my concealed carry problems? But thanks for your opinion, Tim!
I’m taking a break today. I’ll get back to breaking in tomorrow. Maybe?
Good hunting. El Bee
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Az-Hunter
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posted March 28, 2025 10:50 PM
Something which you may all ready know/do, it's important you actually wear the rig to help with break in.
Big difference between sitting in front of the TV stuffing the pistol in and out of the holster versus having the carry tension of the belt thru the loops and pressure of your body contour helping stretch the leather.
It's not a quick process,going to be a long haul,you'll know it's right when it is. Good luck,when it's good to go, you'll appreciate the value
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TA17Rem
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posted March 29, 2025 07:46 AM
Agree with Vic. its better to wear it when you try to break it in.
If its leather there is also a leather cream, not sure on name that helps with break in..
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Leonard
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posted March 30, 2025 11:12 AM
If that’s the case, Victor, I’m nowhere near wearing it yet. To attempt to pull it out, at this point in the process, and assuming I had my belt cinched up two holes past normal, I would be using two hands to extract the gun and after doing it 3 or 4 times, I’d need a 15 minute rest. Therefore, I’m not ready for the wearing part yet. However, it’s something I hadn’t considered and I guess I need to consider it sometime mid April, if I’m lucky.
Good hunting. El Bee
Edit: in response to koko and TA about lubing or rendering the leather plyable with creams, saddle soap, Neatsfoot oil and any similar with the intention of making the leather supple and softening it….this will not happen. This is a form fitting design double layers of cowhide with a rigid insert sewed in the middle. There will be no softening of this rig. The outside will be unchanged, but the inside is where the wear must be done.
This is a challenge to explain! To exaggerate just a little; if it was run over on the freeway for about a week, you might flatten it, but it won’t be broken in a hell of a lot. This thing is as ridged as Kydex and there is no point in trying to break in Kydex.
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Kokopelli
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posted March 30, 2025 03:29 PM
Ok ............ Before you wear the blueing off of that thing, here's something that WILL work.
(1) Put pistol in holster.
(2) Put holster in shoebox.
(3) Put shoebox in closet.
(4) Buy a Ruger .380 LCP
(5) Buy a Sneaky Pete holster.
(6) Put Ruger in Sneaky Pete.
(7) Put Sneaky Pete on belt on hip.
(8) Put some shrimp on the Barby Q
(9) Find an unused belt knife sheath.
(10) Put the spare clip in the sheath.
(11) Put sheath on belt and a decent beverage in belly with the shrimp.
(12) Your work is done. Have another beverage. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Leonard
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posted March 30, 2025 06:00 PM
I have considered what you suggest, about rubbing the bluing off. It’s not blued. I don’t know what it is, but so far, it’s not rubbing off.
LOL! I saw a short video today, a guy shot a 380 into ballistic jell and it penetrated 3 inches! It was a Fiochi load and he admitted that it was poor quality control, so stay away from Fiochi. I think he said it was 124grain? Maybe I can find it?
Good hunting. El Bee
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Kokopelli
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posted March 31, 2025 03:30 AM
Buy cheap shit,
Win cheap prizes ???
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posted March 31, 2025 06:35 AM
https://youtu.be/fa1yU45xRjE?si=UeCdF06PSKQGHSUn
I've used this method to break in many holsters.
It's only failed me once and that holster was out of spec.
Even quality manufacturers screw up now and then.
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TA17Rem
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posted March 31, 2025 09:37 AM
with two plastic bags kind of a cool way to do it. but basically, it's just opening up the inside of the holster to get fit or pull you want when pulling out the pistol. still end up with high spots.
I would rather soften the leather inside holster and let it form to actual shape of the pistol and thus get a smoother pull. The jerking of the pistol and even using other hand to help get dam thing out of holster don't sit well with me. Reminds me of the T.V. show with Barney Fiffe when he tries to draw his pistol out and shoots the floor. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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Leonard
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posted March 31, 2025 02:08 PM
https://youtube.com/shorts/6tt8PU95eKc?si=dTgmj4-4_SP9Ed8s
Finally found the clip of the 380 test
Edit: As far as the plastic bag method: I haven’t tried it, but I fail to see how O could shove this gun into this holster when wrapped in a plastic bag!!!!!! My feeling is the bag would rip or tear out the bottom but shoving this gun into this holster wrapped in anything, much less TWO plastic bags and some cardboard wedges, just ain’t going to happen?
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posted March 31, 2025 05:23 PM
I think wedges is to help keep it flared out. I seen on some holsters the leather curls inward thus restricting the pistol as you try to put it back in.
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Leonard
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posted April 01, 2025 09:09 AM
I think I give up! This cannot be explained! There is no cardboard you could ever wedge into this holster, if the gun was also in it.
Ko ko, this gun isn’t cheap shit. It’s not blued, it’s some hi tech finish, Cericoat, or something like that? This is a Springfield Armory Hellcat 9mm “carry model”. It’s a slick little rig.
But the construction of the holster is two thicknesses of leather enclosing a stiff band insert between layers; I think it’s spring steel because the belt clip is spring steel. It’s leather, but it is the most ridged leather you will ever see. And it’s a hundred dollar holster, that’s not very cheap either.
There just isn’t much to break in. It’s molded and designed to be tight and ridged and the outside won’t give, the inside must be worn to fit ‘cause the outside ain’t moving. It’s dyed black, by the way. Seriously dyed black. Cut in to it and it’s black inside too.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted April 01, 2025 09:35 AM
Ok .......... If that's the way it's got to be;
The best I can offer, and this will likely make the pure at heart gag, is to soak the holster overnight in warm water, oil the pistol up, put it in a bag and oil the bag up, then jam the pistol into the holster and let it air dry in the shade for a couple of days. Then Neatsfoot oil. LOTS of Neatsfoot oil.
Edit 2 add; BTW, the cheap shit comment was directed toward the cheap ammo video. That is all. Over & out. Back to you in the studio.
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Leonard
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posted April 01, 2025 10:02 AM
Yes, I gagged on that advice, thank you! OK commenting on Fiochi cheap ammo, clears that misunderstanding up.
Some times, a picture is definitely worth a thousand words, I’m not soaking this thing anytime soon. I’m pretty sure there is no solution but wearing it in. However, I did write Springfield, so let’s wait on what they have to say.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted April 01, 2025 01:41 PM
If holster is double walled just soften inside, so it displaces some of the leather or softens it to form better to your pistol, like wearing a glove so to speak. I give up now.
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posted April 01, 2025 07:52 PM
You know they sew it with an aluminum replica inside. It’s just super tight, that’s all I can tell ye?
Good hunting. El Bee
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Leonard
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posted April 01, 2025 08:13 PM
If Victor comes back in here and says, “Hell yeah, I’d soak that baby in used crankcase oil and then I’d go with the plastic bag method.” Then I might consider it! Otherwise, like I did tonight for 2 hours, it’s shoving it in and yanking it out, hand rubbing it every ten operations, rinse and repeat! But no getting it wet.
Good hunting. El Bee 🐝
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posted April 03, 2025 08:03 PM
I’m finally getting somewhere! This holster is still tight but compared to where I started, it’s loose as a goose. But it’s still tight. But I’m making progress! I got in there with a narrow paring knife to scrape it in highlighted places and rubbed like hell with my finger untill I had black dye all over my hands, but it’s paying off.
Good hunting. El Bee 🐝
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