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Leonard
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posted November 19, 2024 11:45 AM
I can see the "iron sights" on my Hellcat with the Holosun red dot installed.
What I'm wondering about is cowitnessing by zeroing the red dot to superimpose on the iron sights?
In this case, the rear sight is a white outline U shape and the front sight is a circular Tritium capsule, so the front sight nests into the U shape rear sight.
My question is, should I adjust the red dot to the center of the screen or have it dialed in to be resting just above the "iron sights"?
What's your opinion?
Good hunting. El Bee
PS don't give me; some people do and some people don't. Tell me what you do! Thanks!
PPS haven't been to the range yet, it's unfired.
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TA17Rem
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posted November 19, 2024 03:04 PM
uuum its kind of like a scope you zero the dot to where you want bullet to hit not sure why you would go off the iron sites as they lower
. right????
picture would help.
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Leonard
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posted November 19, 2024 05:22 PM
Yeah, I bet it would.
Just imagine a square window. At the bottom edge, midways is where the iron sights can be seen. With the U midway's along the bottom, and the i in the middle of the U. Now imagine superimposing the "red dot" just above the i.
This would be instead of the red dot smack dab in the middle of the picture window.
VICTOR!
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TA17Rem
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posted November 19, 2024 09:48 PM
Ok i looked it up. I had the halo sites at one time think they pretty close to same thing as far as what you what it for. You still need to shoot it like scoped rifle and adjust dot to where you want bullet to go at certain distance. It may not be completely centered with handgun. Never seen a mount that was perfect, plus toss in bullet drop or rise depending on zero. zero iron sits as well in case you too rattled to turn the dot on. If was me I think I would of went with the lazer that mounts to trigger guard or below the slide. Good luck on your adventure.
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Kokopelli
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posted November 20, 2024 07:00 AM
Or ............. Just do the Zen thing, point your finger at the target and aim with your mind. It takes practice but unless you're into long range precision shooting it's surprisingly fast, accurate and dependable.
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posted November 20, 2024 07:32 AM
What KoKo said…😁
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Leonard
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posted November 20, 2024 10:15 AM
While I appreciate the responses, all miss my specific question. It's called "Co-Witness".
In other words, what do you do if your battery dies and you need to shoot through the window, using your iron sights. It's not actually correct, but I am wondering about having the habit of locating the red dot at the bottom of the screen, where the iron sights are, and keeping in mind that with some setups, the red dot gear itself will block iron sights and render them useless. I can't make it any plainer?
Good hunting. El Bee
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TA17Rem
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posted November 20, 2024 10:26 AM
dot or reticle usually sits in center of screen. unless your dot site allows you to put it where you want. if battery dies then follow Koko advice and just point and shoot then run like hell.
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posted November 20, 2024 08:11 PM
Leonard, you are correct. co witness the dot to sit just above front sight post. This is not exact, but it will certainly "get you on paper" so to speak.
When you have your zero at 15-20 yards, yes, the dot should be above the front sight post, there is no fucking bullet rise or drop at handgun ranges.
easy procedure, don't sweat it, hope you like it.
Both of my competition revolvers have a C-More RTS dot sight, really like them, big window and the only dot sight besides the Holosun sight that didn't give my eyes problems seeing a crisp round dot.
Had a high end sight, Trijicon SRO, that the dot looked like an irregular star burst when my eyes viewed it? Oddly, I do not have a red dot onmy carry Glock 43X. Tried the mini Holosun green circle dot sight, but at daytime setting, it blew up in the dark, to much to remember to adjust each day or night, so I removed it and just use irons on it.
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Leonard
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posted November 20, 2024 09:22 PM
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean! As far as this Halosun, it's a mini designed for concealed carry. The brightness buttons on the side are very handy. Tell you the truth, at first I started with the buyers' remorse. But the more I play with this thing, I'm really warming up to it.
The shop where I bought it did a really shitty job of mounting. I had to do it all over. When I got the manual from Springfield, they mentioned that in this application user might need to cut a couple threads on the mounting screws and that's exactly what I had already done, and the whole time thinking; this can't be right? But, this shop is very popular, I'm not kidding they have at least a dozen customers waiting in line every time I've been in the place, but I WILL NOT go to them for any gunsmith work! They need to have one of those machines where you take a number and then you can browse, instead of standing in line for at least an hour, or more. They are doing a lot of business, it's unbelievable. And all we get is the California model, won't fire without the Mag in place. Plus, it's 10 rounds instead of 13.
Now, I'm pondering three different IWB holsters. I really want horsehide but it's getting ridiculous! Galco makes a really nice, (but expensive) rig, but I haven't made up my mind yet. Maybe De Santis? IDK?
Good hunting. El Bee
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Leonard
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posted November 21, 2024 08:30 AM
By the way, Victor.
What is your opinion of my choice, this chopped Hellcat? One thing that definitely influenced me is the U rear site and the O Tritium front site.
The HOLOSUN EPScarry is wider than the Hellcat slide.
I'm thinking that the size and weight of this Hellcat will make it unpleasant to shoot? Probably comparable to my S&W Shield in 40S&W?
Good hunting. El Bee
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Leonard
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posted November 21, 2024 05:35 PM
What is your point, Tim? I can't grt much out of the links as pertains to the discussion?
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Leonard
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posted November 22, 2024 04:25 PM
Still waiting for Tim to explain his links without any context whatsoever?
But, the part that has me just a bit puzzled is Victor, who just admitted that he goes counter to prevailing attitude in the shooting contests that he competes in, using Smith and Wesson revolvers, Maybe 6 shooters or possibly 8 shot, I seem to recall?
Then, he carries a Glock auto. I'm sure he has reasons, same as every law enforcement agency has went with Glock. It's a mystery, (to me) why the field isn't more balanced? You would think just a few would exercise some independence and opt for A Sig or Shadow Systems, or S&W M&P? But no, the whole, entire every law enforcement in the USA, Federal, municipal, all of them fall in line and train with Glocks/ a pistol that I hate, BTW. Don't know why, except I am a maverick. No matter how many experts tell me about the superiority of the Glock pistol, I am skeptical.
So, what causes a guy like Mr Carlson, acknowledged expert, to go with the woke crowd and depend on the Swiss gun for his self protection? I'm very interested to know reasons. Please share your opinions!
Good hunting. El Bee
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TA17Rem
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posted November 23, 2024 09:56 AM
More bullets Leonard. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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Leonard
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posted November 23, 2024 11:37 AM
Yes, I get that, Tim!
I remember an incident that happened in my town 7-8 years ago in which 3 Upland PD officers fired about 30+ rounds in a dark alley, and never drew blood!
This runs contrary to the sniper mantra of "One shot, one kill." I think it was started by an actor in a movie, but don't quote me!
Anyway, I understand that it's a confidence issue. A cop will happily carry 17 rounds his entire career because he just might go Winchester some day in an alley. PS he's also packing 2 extra magazines and a back up ankle holster, except when off duty. Umm, I forgot, they're never off duty.
So, they are always prepared, packing equivalent of a whole box of ammo. Only mental illness would cause them to continue packing a six shot revolver, plus a speed loader. Whoopee! But, bless 'em, cops are a different breed. Permanently wired and barely....never mind, not fair.
The thing is, Glocks are notoriously "reliable" they tell me? But some people, (not a lot) continue to believe that the modern revolver is fool proof, and idiot proof! Some contests heavily favor CAPACITY, which will put a revolver at a disadvantage, although they will claim mightily that that simply is not true; with a straight face.
Anyway, after all the yakking, I understand that the loaded capacity of a firearm is an important issue, like, have you ever heard of a 2011? ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted November 23, 2024 05:02 PM
Leonard even the best pistol paper shooters crack under pressure thus the need for more ammo. They should have one of those paint ball guns mounted and zeroed at each target shooting back at expert, like see how they do then.
You asked about links I posted. Just showing a pistol bullet does drop (gravity). Zero site in 25 yards?? Really???
Maybe looking through a bad guy's car window you need lazer site but it's at point blank range just point and pull trigger, 25 yards for that matter.
If you can see your iron sites then yeah zero them at 25-30 yards and zero that dot out farther, not goona always get a bad guy to stand face to face or 25 yards away. Maybe inside house defense.
Someone should tell cops about bullet drop I bet over half of them just aim at who knows what distance with there 25 yard zero and just keep pulling trigger till they hit some thing or someone. LOL
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posted November 23, 2024 05:31 PM
Koko E-mail back at you.
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posted November 23, 2024 09:50 PM
Yup ..... Got it. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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posted November 23, 2024 11:39 PM
The big myth of revolver reliability over a pistol, just not true. Both platforms have their own issues, or can have .
I maintain the revolver is better suited to women or men that aren't into firearms, yet want to carry one for self protection.
As long as you know the revolver is loaded, it's pretty much point squeeze the trigger. A pistol, generally has various safeties, grip safety, hammer safety, knowing if you have a round chambered, magazine loaded etc, just enough little things someone unfamiliar with firearms might have a problem when they need it.
As far as reliability, revolvers can have their own number of issues if not attended to. Much closer tolerances in a revolvers lockwork than a pistol does .
You can drop a Glock in a bucket of mud, rinse with water and go back to shooting, with a revolver, you be fucked.
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Leonard
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posted November 24, 2024 11:46 AM
I agree with all of that.
You know, when my wife, told me she wanted a gun (because I was hunting out of state at least once a month), I was blown away! She had never expressed any interest in guns. Nobody in her family was a hunter although her older brother was a cop.
Anyway, the subject was , what kind of gun would you like? There are two basic types, revolvers and Automatics. Right away, she said: AUTOMATIC!
Of course, I knew she was just jazzed with the word, "Automatic" and thought it meant that she didn't need to know anything, it was super easy to use....right?
So, I got out an auto and a revolver and started showing her how to load the magazine and how to pull the slide back, etc. Then I showed her how to load a revolver, close the cylinder and pull the trigger.
At the end of the demo, she changed 180 degrees and was sure she wanted a revolver. So, I bought her a nice little Lady Smith 38 Special. Both her and her sister in law went to extended classes taught by her brother and brought me her graduation target, which was like somebody attacked the black area with a 38 caliber shotgun, firing a whole box of bullets with something like an 18 inch group, which she was very proud of, and I was too late to hide my grin.
Of course, I don't think she ever took it out of the soft case after that. Interestingly, either days or weeks after she died, my daughter asked for her moms gun and I gave it to her. She put it in a shoe box on the top shelf of her bedroom closet, and I assume, never looked at it again?
Oh well?
Good hunting. El Bee
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