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Topic: I just don't know?
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Leonard
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posted August 08, 2024 11:20 AM
I have a huge hard on about suppressors. Of course, my hearing has been shot since the Army, and I rightfully should have got some type of disability, at my time of separation.
Many people do not understand, and use "DISCHARGE" incorrectly. Your Military obligation is 7 years, no matter how you parse it out, active, inactive and reserve, and it depends on how long you were active, usually 2 or 3 years. So, I was separated at 3 years but didn't actually get my formal discharge until 7 years had past.
Anyway, about suppressers. FIRST OF ALL, I resent that $200 tax by the government. It's unfair and inappropriate. I think it's the same as the machine gun tax? Many countries are fairly casual about suppressors. If I'm not mistaken, I was told that you can buy one in Johannesburg for twenty bucks? Just an over the counter, useful in animal culling, like cape buffalo and elephant, but also lots of plains game. Not only that.but they are bigger than what we are sold, and they are quiet!
So, that's the second part of my problem with the whole concept. For what they are, and what they do, and as complicated and sophisticated as they actually are not, the damned things cost twice as much as your average Glock. So, I think we are being grossly overcharged for the technology and the workmanship and labor involved in the manufacturing.
I think it has a "cool" status, and people are apparently willing to spend for two excessive charges, the article and the tax, (which I think should be canceled and a refund given) It's a shameful and exorbitant and unjustified charge! Think about it. It's probably less than $200 tops, regardless of the exotic metals used, like Inconel, which is widely used in electrical connections, like with electric heaters, and these materials cost substantially more, but not what is justified, the going rate, in my opinion.
So, that's where I stand. It's the principle. and besides, I'm afraid to venture forth at the range without a suppressed firearm. My whole arsenal is obsolete!
And, that brings up another point. Where does one turn, if one wishes to be considered "cool"? Is there an aftermarket industry that caterers to obsolete, UNSUPPRESSED firearms?
I have a RIGID hand tool for threading pipe, 3/8ths. 1/2" and 3/4". It has a handle and a ratchet affair and does a fair job of threading random lengths of steel pipe.
I wonder, instead of unscrewing a barrel and chucking it in a machine lathe, if this could be done by the semi talented amateur? If I were to have aftermarket alteration of all my long guns, Of course they will overcharge the rube, but what else are we to do? I have a barrel wrench, mainly for Remingtons and Rugers. Anyway, to UN-OBSOLETE my rifles, where does one go? I'm just not sure where the service is? Who knows?
End of rant!
Good hunting. El Bee
PS, I think we need universal suppressers that can be used on many different guns. We are beginning to see these offered, but we need more!
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NVWalt
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posted August 09, 2024 11:17 AM
Got to say I agree with you Leonard. Both the suppressor itself, which is grossly overpriced here in the USA and the extortion by our government with a 200 dollar tax on them. If they are like the tax on machine guns, also makes you give up a lot of rights. Like the Feds can come into your home at anytime to check on you and your silencer.
I have a lot of friends that have them screwed onto the ends of their AR's, mostly, and it does quiet them down a lot which is a good thing. But hardly worth the price when just regular ole yellow ear plugs work just as well.
I am also old in that none of my rifles or pistols have them and they don't need them.
I know I am very uncool but so goes life when you are an old fart and just don't give a tinkers damn about it.
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Leonard
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posted August 09, 2024 09:10 PM
Yes, Sir! I knew you were a smart fella, Walt!
I fired a full auto suppressed M4 and I don't see what the thrill is? I do know the wait, and the cost and a certain amount of; being the first kid on the block to be so cool!
But, by now everybody has heard about my quest, when I was going to kill coyotes in multiples with the AR15 I just bought second hand from a stranger.
The first thing I did was take the flash hider and use the threaded end as a basis for my home made suppressor. Yeah, I Heli Arced some stainless baffles and when finished, I don't think I spent more than parts of 2 days and my cost was nothing, and the damned thing worked! I had no instruments to measure decibels so I'm not sure exactly how effective it is. I still have it out in the shop but I haven't actually seen it in 20 years, but I could find it in less than 10 minutes if I wanted it. I just wasn't very impressed....and I was concerned with having to explain it, since I never paid the tax. You know?
I think the whole concept is fine, if you think you need it. My hearing has been shot since before I was 20 years old. An, I never submitted a claim with the US Army. Maybe I should? Just to rattle their cage?
GoodI hunting. El Bee
[ August 09, 2024, 09:12 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
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NVWalt
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posted August 10, 2024 08:43 AM
I had a friend that lived in town,Ely, and I helped him braze two and then three little round lawnmower mufflers together and Fitted that contraption on the end of a 10-22. What a chore of a Rube Goldberg setup that was. But it worked good enough for shooting cats, had to of been feral,in his back yard there in town. Never woke the neighbors or did we ever get the sheriff called on us. I guess we were lucky at the time. But that ungodly looking contraption did work. He finally, in do time, went and bought a real silencer along with the tax and it was novel but that was about it. Our Rube Goldberg setup was funner though.
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TA17Rem
Hello, I'm the legendary Tim Anderson, Southern Minneesota Know it all
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posted August 10, 2024 05:32 PM
Longer the tube and tighter tolerance the hole is the quieter they are. But for some length can be a pain in ass in northern states, southern guys can just put gun in back if they want and put blanket over it keep dust away. A gun smith can thread all your barrels, and you can get an adapter if you have different threads or dia. of barrels.
threading runs about 75.00 to 150,00 just depends on who you go to. Many new guns now come threaded for adapter or muzzle brake no big deal.
Scheels sporting good can set you up with suppressor plus all the paperwork as well. Heard few guys got permits in about a month's time here.
If I was to get one, I'm not chopping one dam inch off the barrel, it be like going to next smaller caliber then and just as well do that by going smaller cartridge than buying suppressor.
I think I might just get a thermal for the truck so I can scan going down road or use it for driving to work during darkness so don't hit dam deer.
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Leonard
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posted August 10, 2024 11:01 PM
Tim, is Hyper velocity THAT important to you? One inch in that range of velocity might be about 50 fps? You can't suffer a fifty feet per second reduction by altering your barrel length by one inch
to thread the barrel for a suppressor? Think of the barrel life you will gain!
Oh well. I submit; yes sir, that's a serious commitment! What is this cartridge called? ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Good hunting. El Bee
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R.Shaw
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posted August 11, 2024 06:21 PM
I own a couple, but it had nothing to do with the cool factor.
Pros
Quieter, especially if caliber specific
Way less muzzle blast
Less recoil
Makes shooting a rifle fun again
Cons
Increases overall length of rifle. My rifle has a 26 inch barrel. Screw on a 7 inch silencer and it is like carrying a telephone pole on your back. I moved the sling stud to the bottom of pistol grip on the stock and carry the rifle butt up cross slung across my chest. Even this configuration allows the muzzle to grab weeds and sage.
Increases chamber pressure. If you are running a load that is right at the edge, when you screw on the suppressor, you are over the edge. You need to reduce powder .3 to .5 grains in order to compensate. This does not lower your fps because you gain some with the suppressor.
I had Steve build me a rifle with a 20 inch barrel. 22-250 ackley. A heck of a shooter and much more handy. However, kinda like Tim said, I now am shooting regular 22-250 velocities with the same bullet.
Having said all of that, I never shoot a rifle now that isn't suppressed unless rimfire. Does it get me more coyotes? Who knows. I'd like to think that a coyote a couple hills away will still come-in. I had a fellow at an expo tell me it increased his kills 60 percent, which I find very hard to believe.
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TA17Rem
Hello, I'm the legendary Tim Anderson, Southern Minneesota Know it all
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posted August 11, 2024 07:19 PM
I think it can help at times if you kill what you shoot at, if bullets whizzes over head then I think game is up. plenty of vid.s showing shots at coyotes with supp. and how they come and don't come..
As for vel. yes Leonard in my book it all counts. Just from what I seen the magic numbers is 3800-4000 fps. Reduce that 4000 fps load just tadd for suppressor and I'm still in the game. I can't see taking a 22-250 and knocking it down to 223 performance. thats why I hate a 223, just don't have enough steam in my book
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Leonard
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posted August 12, 2024 10:34 AM
Suppressors should be covered by my insurance if they are that great? Like has been said, yellow foam ear plugs cut the report/blast/sound.
I'm a stubborn SOB! Everybody knows that.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: also, thinking of the solutions that Shaw is dealing with, we have to deal with the elephant in the room. Suppressors are awkward, unbalanced, and will snag on everything. The appearance is actually offensive to my sense of harmony.
[ August 12, 2024, 10:40 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
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