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DanS
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posted March 16, 2014 02:52 PM
What accuracy do you expect from a coyote calling rifle? Accuracy acceptable for minute of coyote?
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Leonard
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posted March 16, 2014 05:10 PM
In a night rig, I feel a bit under 3/4" accuracy is desired. For most daylight stands, I think you could get by with any rifle that can do 1" groups, not "about" one inch, it should be a consistent performer, five rounds measuring 1".
Good hunting. El Bee
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jimanaz
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posted March 16, 2014 05:27 PM
As for my short barreled, red dot topped, close quarters AR, I've used the phrase minute of coyote. It actually shoots MOA at 100 and I've killed coyotes to 300 with it(yes, it's a .223). For a scoped rifle, regardless of platform, I expect a little better, but realistically, MOA ought to be good enough for most of us.
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Fur_n_Dirt
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posted March 16, 2014 05:58 PM
I find a good bipod is a must as well..
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TOM64
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posted March 16, 2014 06:25 PM
I prefer 1/2 MOA but know all too well that 1.5 MOA will kill most any called coyote.
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Leonard
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posted March 16, 2014 06:32 PM
Well, that's another thing. You might shoot 5X 1" off the bench, but it's a different story, accurate shooting from a bipod. One inch, using a bipod from a stool is pretty adequate, seems to me?
And, any minute now, somebody is going to tell us how the majority of his shots are well within 75 yards, so just about any marginal lever action 30-30 will do. Minute of coyote, I think is the phrase?
Good hunting. El Bee
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Prune Picker
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posted March 16, 2014 08:37 PM
Dan, years ago I bought a Ruger #1 in 22-250 w/a 12x Leupold from a friend. That rifle was an honest 1/2" 5 shot rifle w/53 gr sierras & H380. Having that rifle made me drive several hundred miles most every weekend because I knew I could kill every coyote I saw. Point being, I had a lot of confidence every time I pulled the trigger, I think that counts too.
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Kokopelli
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posted March 17, 2014 03:45 AM
Actually, El Bee, it's `half minute of coyote` ............... like my Mini-14.
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Fur_n_Dirt
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posted March 17, 2014 07:44 AM
LB, can you call me? I left a message with my phone number. thx.
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Dave Allen
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posted March 17, 2014 08:52 AM
Listen up Amigo's.
My 30/30 shoots 3"-4" groups all day long @ 50 yards, with crappy factory irons. Thats plenty good.
Nuff said... ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Signing off for now. Marlin Dave.
[ March 17, 2014, 08:56 AM: Message edited by: Dave Allen ]
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posted March 17, 2014 09:58 AM
From a hunting bolt gun, I like to see an honest 3/4" or better group maintained...
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Leonard
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posted March 17, 2014 11:38 AM
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LB, can you call me? I left a message with my phone number. thx.
WHERE did you leave your number? I don't see an email?
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Fur_n_Dirt
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posted March 17, 2014 04:05 PM
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[ March 17, 2014, 06:58 PM: Message edited by: Fur_n_Dirt ]
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Catfish
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posted March 17, 2014 04:05 PM
You need to be able to hold a 3 in. group at the yardage you will be shooting coyotes. If your shooting at 50 yards. a gun that shoots 6 moa will work fine. I f your shooting 600 yards. your gun should hold 1/2 moa groups.
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Kokopelli
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posted March 17, 2014 04:54 PM
This would probably be a good place to point out that there is a profound difference between what a rifle will do off of a bench with sandbags and out in the real world. A rifle that shoots half minute of coyote off sandbags will likely disappoint sooner or later in the field.
Poo-poo occurs & YMMV.
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Dave Allen
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posted March 17, 2014 05:29 PM
We all would be better served checking our groups off sticks, or however one would normally shoot a coyote.
Did some testing awhile back and found my .75 MOA rifle and a 1.5 MOA rifle, both shot about 2.5 MOA (off sticks) if memory serve's me correctly.
Not any scientific testing by any means, but, something to ponder though. If'n, I can find the time this year. I'll attempt to post something more profound on the subject.
Like usual, lot's of good intentions, and well ya'll know the rest.. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Leonard
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posted March 17, 2014 06:08 PM
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Apparently the home number I called was the wrong one.
Did you send me a reply email on the 15th 10:44 Am? I did not send you an email time stamped 15th 9:13 am that you apparently replied too?
Sorry, but don't know how else to communicate with you.
Yes, I sent you an email on the 15th. I don't know how I got the email from you, but I replied to it.
Where did you get the phone number that you called? If it was in the book, it's probably correct but I'm not at home yet to retrieve
messages.
As far as how to contact me. Every page on Huntmasters has two links at the bottom of the page and they both redirect to my AOL email address. Also, if you look at my information, any of those ikons has my email address.
Send me an email with your phone number and I will call you. My email address if you can't find it, is: nbosin@aol.com. Same email for 19 years, so far, I'm not hard to find.
Good hunting. El Bee
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Fur_n_Dirt
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posted March 17, 2014 07:03 PM
Hi LB,
I don't know what the hell is going on, but I DID not write you an email asking you that question on Sat! Period.
In addition, I sent you a follow up email on Sat to question your reply,but did not get an answer.
So, that's why I looked up your number and tried to call u directly.
Maybe this will be more of a mystery than the 777?
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CrossJ
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posted March 17, 2014 07:39 PM
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We all would be better served checking our groups off sticks, or however one would normally shoot a coyote.
Did some testing awhile back and found my .75 MOA rifle and a 1.5 MOA rifle, both shot about 2.5 MOA (off sticks) if memory serve's me correctly.
Shooting off of sticks tests the shooters accuracy, shooting groups from a bench tests the rifles accuracy.
Personally, If a rifle won't shoot sub moa, I don't use them.
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DiYi
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posted March 18, 2014 04:54 AM
The older you get the less you 'go prone' and few shoot honest sub MOA groups off sticks in full battle/rattle under 'real' conditions.In wind,damn few.
I'm talking hunting sticks,not the Caldwell portable bench stuff.
Practice helps and with it there are ways to get there.
I tightened up accuracy this year by changing hand position.With a Harris bipod or similar rig consider putting the non-trigger arm n hand across your chest with the hand lightly supporting the rear of the stock about under the sling swivel.(it's well below n behind your trigger hand)It firmly holds your stock into the shoulder-a bigger,more solid 'structure' than your extended arm up front traditionally.
I don't always use it but if my sitting position allows it,I now do.Sit down and try it.Hold your crosshairs on say a fence post a couple hundred yards away and I suspect you may find they no longer wander off the post.Seems to help some.
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Kokopelli
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posted March 18, 2014 07:07 AM
Thanx; I'll give that a try. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
FWIW; Since the o bama ammo shortage, I've been practicing some with an air rifle. Just for yucks & giggles, I've been learning to shoot off my other shoulder. Don't know how often it would be useful in the field, but it seems worth learning.
Definitely less movement switching the rifle to the other shoulder than moving the whole body for a shot to the weak side.
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DiYi
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posted March 18, 2014 07:44 AM
Yes Koko I shoot both ways as well.My situation came about as the result of a recoil related retina detachment in 1 eye and a recoil related vitreous detachment in the other. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
In the process I learned to shoot satisfactorily both left/right handed. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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DanS
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posted March 18, 2014 08:27 AM
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Personally, If a rifle won't shoot sub moa, I don't use them.
I have heard that from others. You'll never shoot better than the rifles abilities.
Guess I am going to go to the range soon and stretch it out past 100 to compare the rifle off of bags on a concrete table and then off of sticks. I usually shoot sitting in my chair with my elbows on my knees, but that is also generally limited to <200 yards.
I can go out to 600 at one range, but doubt I will do any good with my hunting rifle and sticks past 400.
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posted March 18, 2014 12:56 PM
Shoot a few groups at 400 off your sticks and a dove stool. That will bring you to your milk.
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jimanaz
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posted March 18, 2014 04:33 PM
We all take up all kind of crazy shooting stances. It's part of what we do, you have to adapt and overcome. I've been known to shoot stuff wrong handed and wrong eyed from the top of a ladder. Try that with your BB gun, Koko. It can be done.
I hunt from a stool, and I'm far and away the most confident with both elbows on my knees with my feet flat or heels propped up against the stool. Like DiYi, my off hand goes under the butt. The sticks are out front, no need for a hand there. Lean into it as much as you can. The more weight you support with your legs, the less wobble you'll have. Unless your name is Vic, then none of this applies.
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