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Leonard
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posted December 04, 2013 05:34 PM
Grapevine says you had an long range adventure recently.
Care to fill in the Peanut Gallery?
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knockemdown
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posted December 05, 2013 09:02 AM
Sure, Leonard.
Had a big buck @ 755yds, been watching him for over an hour.
Took the shot, and he took a step just as I fired.
Resultant impact was in right rear leg above the knee joint, he humped off.
Tracked him for an hour, following blood in the snow.
Neighbor hunter shot him from his treestand, as we pushed the buck past his position. Hunter knew we were in there tracking and finished the buck off with a neck shot.
Since my shot was not immediately fatal, I congratulated him on his fine deer and helped him dress it & get it loaded up.
Rifle: GAP 7WSM
Scope: Premier 5-25x56 Gen2XS
Load: 162 Amax @ 2960fps
Temp: 8degrees F, no wind
Dope: 4.6mils UP from 100yds zero
Questions/comments?
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TundraWookie
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posted December 05, 2013 12:03 PM
Did he give you some venison, or at least some of that rear leg?
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Leonard
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posted December 05, 2013 01:09 PM
You are a good guy, Fred. No offense, okay?
What happened is exactly why I am not in favor of long range big game. While the bullet is in flight, it's unbelievable how much an animal can move. Personally, I limit my long range shooting to just beyond 400 yards, unless it involves a cripple, but I limit those shots to coyotes. Big game, (sorta) about 100 yards less.
I shot a coyote once that ducked off the two track just as I pulled the trigger and I knew I gut shot him. This was at night and I might never have found him if he had not snagged about 15 ft. of intestine wrapped around a bush. Actually, the whipping bush is what got my attention, but otherwise, he would still be running. And, dying somewhere. And, this wasn't even a long shot, probably 150ish? Clean miss at 200, maybe?
Okay, end of lecture, didn't mean to pick on you, but (you know) a couple of your friends brought it to my attention, too chickenshit to post it under their own name, probably not? Shit happens, I know.
But, what do you think? Now that you have that "death ray", are you going to consider consequences?
Good hunting. El Bee
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TA17Rem
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posted December 05, 2013 01:41 PM
Wow! That's too bad that happened..
Stop to think about it though, that deer must have one hell of a step as the shot was off roughly 3' in windage and about 1 1/2' low, if it didn't move most likely a gut shot which could of turned out worse..
The guys that do that sort of stuff on TV end up wounding more than half of what they shoot at and kill..
Hope its a lesson learned. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
I take long shots at coyotes all the time, the thing is if a shot is off they have no where to go or hide and finished off shortly. As for big game I don't even think about taking a long shot..
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posted December 05, 2013 03:27 PM
Leonard, seeing as how I volunteered what happened via a thread on NPHA, I OBVIOUSLY don't care who knows what & who's whispering to each other about it. If I was in some way disgraced by what happened, do you think I'd be delusional enough to post about it online?
The reason I did so, was to maybe get some wheels turning about exactly when you mentioned. Time of flight of the shot was .96 seconds. And contrary to Tim's armchair fuck-stick analysis, an animal can indeed move enough during that timespan to alter point of impact. Especially when its quartering away slightly and moving uphill...
Did I learn something? Yep, sure did. Learned the same lesson that any hunter on Earth has ever learned about wounding an animal...it SUX. But, I tried my best to clean up my mess. And as fate would have it, it was finished in an expedited fashion.
I can take all the ridicule anyone wants to throw, with one stipulation. That the person throwing it has never wounded, or not recovered an animal they'd previously shot. Hypocrisy only goes so far...
BTW Tim?
uh....FUCK YOU
I now damn well you read every stinkin' post on every forum you're banned on. So, surely you hd to be frothing at the mouth when Leonard started this thread. Soon as I read it, knew you'd be true to form & try to take a shit on my head about it. Kudos for being you, DICK.
Tell ya what?
If you want to lecture me on shooting shit at distance, bring your best rifle & gear and a bag of hundreds to Leonard's Campout next year. Take me to school, show me how to shoot and take my money as a bonus while you're at it! We'll go shot for shot for cash, from as far away as you want until that bag you brought is EMPTY
Unless you accept, don't bother responding.
OK, so who's NEVER wounded an animal & wants to tell me again that what I've already admitted to was a mistake?
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TA17Rem
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posted December 05, 2013 03:43 PM
I didn't shit on your head Fred, you managed to do that all by yourself..
This thread kind of reminds me of the 17 HMR crap.. LOL
Those in the know say don't do it but there has to always be one apple that has to find out for himself and then comes back on the boards and cry about it.. Like I said in the other post too bad it had to happen......
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Leonard
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posted December 05, 2013 03:47 PM
Fred, I already offered my opinion and my intention was not to embarass you, I am sure you are man enough to stand up for what and how it happened. As I said, my beef is not with you. I have been saying the same thing for many years about ethical shots on game. It's always a risk. I've killed a dozen coyotes in a row and then something happens? Everybody misses.
I know a guy that takes nothing but chip shots. And, he still misses a few. I know another that likes the challenge of long, difficult and running shots. Can't say I agree with that attitude either. If I have to choose, I pick something in between those two extremes.
I won't rat out Tim. But, good guess!
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted December 05, 2013 03:55 PM
Fred
You are no lite weight you understand your equipment and its capabilities. The fact that you are the one that brought this up over on the other board speaks volumes. You had a bad outcome and were willing to bring it to the light for discussion. You have my respect fwiw.
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Leonard
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posted December 05, 2013 04:36 PM
Me too, if it's not obvious. I'm not throwing rocks at Fred, this is a discussion about ethical hunting and exactly what it is, for everybody.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted December 05, 2013 04:43 PM
I think it was good of you to post the details of the hunt Fred. The outcome ended better than 99.9% of other hunters who have wounded animals. Let me know what you spend all of Timmy's money on after that shoot-out, should be interesting. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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posted December 05, 2013 05:02 PM
wookie
we are expecting you to be there and see it for yourself.
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posted December 05, 2013 06:25 PM
When is it and will snow camo and bunny boots work out down there? Are we allowed to place bets on the shooters?
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posted December 05, 2013 06:53 PM
I'm thinking mid October, side bets galore. doesn't matter what you wear one behind every bush. Actually Jeans and a tee shirt is good.
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Leonard
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posted December 05, 2013 07:09 PM
Tim is the only one I ever saw wearing knee high boots, suitable for the north woods. In fact, he was sorta dressed like Paul, flannel shirt, full beard, etc.
Bunyon.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted December 05, 2013 08:09 PM
Yep and I'm sending you a pair of knee highs for Christmas, you won't be needing those sandals any longer...
Just guessing on the size but hey you can use the wrapping paper to fill in the toes..
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posted December 05, 2013 08:21 PM
I'll probably feel comfortable in shorts and sandals...except you guys have those sharp needle-like things in the sand don't you?
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Leonard
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posted December 05, 2013 08:49 PM
Better stay out of the big dick contest, Tim. I wear a 13 boot.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: oh, and Tundra. Mid October at Ash Fork is not shorts and sandals weather.
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posted December 05, 2013 09:19 PM
You shouldn't have any problems with the wind tipping you over.
Usually the guy with the longest skies has the shortest pole.
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posted December 05, 2013 10:25 PM
Ash Fork : Mid October DATIME 70* NIGHTS 35*
Terrain: rolling prairie , juniper and pine breaks. You Know Gods country.
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posted December 06, 2013 04:29 AM
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Those in the know say don't do it but there has to always be one apple that has to find out for himself and then comes back on the boards and cry about it.. Like I said in the other post too bad it had to happen......
Hey fuck-stick,
I didn't have to "find out for myself", I already knew better. My mistake was in making a bad judgement call. And that's what I admitted to...
Here's some logic for ya, f-stick. Maybe you can grasp a concept?
Consider encountering a STOP sign while driving. You already KNOW that the sign plainly means STOP, yet you kinda roll thru it, cuz you've been thru that intersection, many times. Even though you are fully cognizant of what that STOP sign means, a slight err in judgement justifies that you to roll thru it, rather than come to a complete STOP...
Problem is, you didn't see that other car rolling thru the same intersection. And, since you can't POSSIBLY control that vehicle, you are now involved in a fender bender!
And what was the reason?
Hint: it was NOT because you FORGOT what STOP meant, or didn't know better.
It was because you made a bad judgement call!
Nothing more, nothing less...
See the logic, fuck-stick?
That's what I did, and that's what I admitted to.
And just thinkin' that maybe YOU could learn something about being man enough to admit folly on occasion?
Then again, prolly not... ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
Thanks for the words, gents.
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posted December 06, 2013 06:28 AM
You were just feeling guilty for your fuck-up and had to confess to some one hoping they would forgive you for your actions. 10-15 yrs. ago they would of burned you at the stake over on P.M.. Funny how things change....
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posted December 06, 2013 07:28 AM
Tim, knock it off! Everybody knows the situation and Fred called his own number, fer kristsake!
As far as I am concerned, BEST CASE SCENARIO: taking a shot at 755 yards would involved a bedded animal, no detectable wind.
But, the man had a new stick, I understand the motivation.
I want to see a shooting contest between Tim and Fred.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted December 06, 2013 10:25 AM
Leonard, that rifle is about six years old, but only has about 800 something rds. thru it. I baby it & don't shoot it just to shoot it, mainly from 400-1200yds shootin' steel & goofin' around.
Swapped the stock out last month on it & re-zeroed it for the season. Then shot this group @ 440yds, its an honest to goodness hammer...
That ain't braggin', that's how this rifle shoots. And that's why I feel comfortable even considering a 750yd shot on a game animal with it.
Shooting that rifle against any of fuck-stick's "custom BDC" turret rigs would NOT constitute a fair fight. But then again, any fighter will tell ya that if you're fighting fair, you're doing it wrong!
In truth, timmy would be a bigger moron that I ever could have dreamed if he accepts the challenge.
You don't bring a Kenton BDC turret to a gunfight...
BTW, tim. you're 100% correct!
I did feel guilty, that's the whole point, ya dipshit
Congrats on making that connection, Capt. Obvious...
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TA17Rem
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posted December 06, 2013 01:00 PM
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I want to see a shooting contest between Tim and Fred.
I don't get into it like Fred does shooting steel plates way out there so Fred wins. He does need to work on shooting live targets though.. Perhaps start at 100 yds and work your way out.. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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