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4949shooter
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posted November 11, 2011 01:57 PM
Just a little insurance while out at night in bear country. Her trigger feels a little heavier than the other Glocks I own. I will be loading her with the Hornady XTP bullet, which is a controlled expansion round for deeper penetration. The Hornady 180 grain load is mild hot at 1180 FPS. Swampfox Gun Works offers a 180 XTP at over 1300 FPS, and a 200 grain XTP at 1240 FPS.
I am gonna qualify with her the week after next. Fortunately the Glock model 20 is on our list of approved off duty guns.
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posted November 11, 2011 05:33 PM
I've been wanting a 10mm for a while now. Kinda torn between the glock and a 1911. Let us know how it shoots..
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4949shooter
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posted November 11, 2011 07:34 PM
Will do. I got my eye on a Delta Elite now myself.
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Leonard
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posted November 13, 2011 02:22 PM
I thought they were the cat's ass when they first came out, but now, with the 40S&W I have the feeling the 10 will drift into obscurity and ammo will be hard to find?
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posted November 13, 2011 02:42 PM
I don't know Leonard, I kinda doubt it, the caliber is still in production by several manufacturers...
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4949shooter
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posted November 13, 2011 05:41 PM
Leonard, I had thought the exact same thing as you. That's why I didn't buy a ten MM years ago, thinking ammo would be impossible to find, or the caliber would fade into extinction.
Having been following the caliber on the internet the past year, it seems to have a cult following. I think it's niche will remain for outdoorsmen and handgun enthusiasts who appreciate power in a semi auto.
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posted November 13, 2011 07:15 PM
The 10MM is a nice round, especially in a Glock. I'd wager the 40 short & weak will fade away before the big 10.
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Leonard
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posted November 14, 2011 09:43 AM
As I said, when that Delta Elite first came out, and it was actually a long time ago, I thought it was the cat's ass...something I needed, if you know what I mean?
But, I do not detect the chatter that tells me it's not another AutoMag type of offering. Maybe that doesn't make any sense, and for sure, I don't need consensus to figure out if I need something.
Let's just say, it looks good from my perspective but there could be things I have not become aware of. I guess it's like a while back when Carey dissed WSSM chamberings or cartridges or something to do with them, and later clarified that the concern was poor quality brass.
Send me one to evaluate, 49. You prob get a real nice LE discount, right?
gh....lb
edit: PS the idea of "approved" off duty weapons just rubs me the wrong way. Exactly who's business is it, when I'm not "on the clock"?
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Kokopelli
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posted November 14, 2011 12:38 PM
I'm still finding ammo for my .41 so I doubt that will be a concern for a long time with the 10.
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TundraWookie
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posted November 14, 2011 01:02 PM
Is this gun more important for bear protection or for work qualifications and meeting the "approved" list? If I were looking for bear insurance, I'd look at a big bore revolver. They're more reliable and pack more punch. I'm thinking .454 or 500S&W type of cannons.
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posted November 14, 2011 01:19 PM
Not a bad advice, especially for brown bear. But, I think 454 is (what?) not overkill, but I think I would get a 44Mag in a snubnose for handy and utility and maybe? Getting a 500 out of a holster could be a problem.
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4949shooter
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posted November 14, 2011 04:00 PM
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Send me one to evaluate, 49. You prob get a real nice LE discount, right?
gh....lb
edit: PS the idea of "approved" off duty weapons just rubs me the wrong way. Exactly who's business is it, when I'm not "on the clock"?
Yes sir, Glock does offer an LE discount program. Leonard if I wasn't a poor, dumb cop I would buy you one or three.
As far as the "approved" weapon list for off duty, I agree it is a lousy thing to some extent. I should be able to carry anything I can qualify with, right? However...when I consider in the past we couldn't carry ANYTHING else except another H&K P7M8, it's not so bad. There is a certain amount of regimentation inherent to my agency, much of which I (we) have come to accept. Whether this is good or bad is up to conjecture. I am glad I can carry more weapons than I could in the past. I am not glad I cannot qualify with and carry my Smith model 629. One of the reasons we have a particular list of weapons is due to the fact that our armourers have only gone to certain schools.
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Is this gun more important for bear protection or for work qualifications and meeting the "approved" list? If I were looking for bear insurance, I'd look at a big bore revolver. They're more reliable and pack more punch. I'm thinking .454 or 500S&W type of cannons.
Tundra I need to have both. If I were to become involved in a (human) shooting with an unauthorized weapon I will be subject to the ramifications of same. Any weapon I carry for purposes other than hunting has to double as an authorized combat weapon. This topic always gets a lot of negative attention on the handgun forums also. There is really nothing much I can do except for be in violation, which is something I don't want to do.
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TundraWookie
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posted November 14, 2011 04:00 PM
These are pretty nice little wheel guns.
http://www.ruger.com/products/superRedhawkAlaskan/index.html
That 2.5 inch barrel with hot .454 rounds is really going to be a tough second shot though. Might have to pull that front iron sight out of the forehead.
I go with the 7.5" barrel and can quickly get back on target if a hard charging bear is coming at me. Deep penetration and maximum bullet energy is critical to stopping a hard charger. The .454 was the biggest around when I bought mine. That 500S&W is on the short list though.
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4949shooter
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posted November 14, 2011 04:34 PM
Tundra, the bears you run into, are they considered grizzlies or true browns?
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Leonard
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posted November 14, 2011 05:58 PM
Not a bad advice, especially for brown bear. But, I think 454 is (what?) not overkill, but I think I would get a 44Mag in a snubnose for handy and utility and maybe? Getting a 500 out of a holster could be a problem.
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posted November 14, 2011 08:53 PM
I carry this 44 mountain gun when bow hunting. While we have a bear season a few counties over, I'm more worried about hogs or at least don't want them to escape.
I've only killed one hog with the 44 and it was my 6.5" classic but I shoot this one better than the longer barrelled guns.
My CCL allows me to carry a pistol while bow hunting and since I trained with a semi auto, I can carry a revolver as well. But if I had trained with a revolver, it would be revolver only. Screwed up I know but I understand 49's thinking on "approved" weapons, you do what you gotta do!
Oh and I've shot the 500S&W, it's too big to be a handgun and too small for a carbean. If it ain't handy dandy, put a stock on it so you can shoot it better.
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Leonard
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posted November 14, 2011 09:08 PM
I shot that 500 once, myself. Not to my taste, at all, big and expensive, and I did mean, "once". And, I managed to hit the can with three witnesses, pressure, pressure, pressure.
I think that mountain gun is a good choice. Wonder if it be APPROVED? Still, when it comes to carrying a firearm, especially off duty, I'd like to pack something more concealable. Than a Clock.
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posted November 15, 2011 08:27 AM
4949,
They call them grizzlies here in the interior of Alaska. Brown or Grizzly, they're the same genes, just different locations. The Browns or Kodiaks are coastal and get extra large. Here's decent discussion on the Grizzly and Brown Bear.
http://www.taxidermy.net/forums/IndustryArticles/01/e/0135F4154.html
Alaska looks at them as being the same in terms of hunting regs. You just buy one tag and it covers grizz or browns.
I've never had to shoot at a bear and have never been charged. I did have one step on my tent one night though and that really woke me up in a hurry.
Tom,
Those are nice guns, I've eyed them quite a few times at shows. What bullets are you shooting?
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Leonard
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posted November 15, 2011 10:24 AM
Yeah, that's what I have always heard. If a bear is 25 miles inland, it's considered a grizzly and obvious, since they are considerably smaller. But, same bear, taxonomically speaking. And, potential. I think a determined 800 pound griz would be just as hard to stop as a 1200 pound brown bear. I don't know if those weights are right, and suspect nobody else does, either? Since there are few trees and fewer scales to hoist the carcass, it's all estimate; unless it is a zoo specimen and you can't assume a wild animal is comparable.
So, the real question remains: where to aim? 5 or 6 shots center of mass, or attempt a brain shot? I guess they can munch a bunch of meat while dying?
Personally, I don't think a semi auto is up to the task. I mean, will it even function, if a bear is lying on you and the slide can't operate?
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posted November 15, 2011 11:18 AM
Center of mass, shoot until it's down, reload and shoot more if it's not dead.
I have my wheel gun on me alot while fishing. The gun goes in the drink with me quite often and has never failed to shoot for me. I simply wouldn't trust a semi-auto to provide that kind of reliance. Too many moving parts and tight tolerances that can get jammed with wilderness crud for me to trust. I know the SEALS and elite forces use them in horrendous conditions, but those aren't the big magnum calibers and they're not shooting charging bears.
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Leonard
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posted November 15, 2011 01:17 PM
I'm trying to think of a stainless, short barreled 44 mag with a non fluted cylinder, maybe has some type of paw markings on it? That, in my opinion would be an ideal dangerous bear gun.
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edit: I think I found it?
http://www.gunsinternational.com/S-W-629-BackPack-in-44mag-NIB.cfm?gun_id=100200052
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4949shooter
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posted November 15, 2011 02:24 PM
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4949,
They call them grizzlies here in the interior of Alaska. Brown or Grizzly, they're the same genes, just different locations. The Browns or Kodiaks are coastal and get extra large. Here's decent discussion on the Grizzly and Brown Bear.
http://www.taxidermy.net/forums/IndustryArticles/01/e/0135F4154.html
Tundra, this is an interesting discussion for sure! The one book I read on bear attacks states that the Grizz and coastal Brown are close cousins. To me, it is the same species, with variations in size, but I am no biologist..
If I were spending time hunting or fishing in Alaska, or any brown bear/grizz country, I would take the necessary steps to be able to carry a magnum revolver legally. Since I am in black bear country, and subject to the rules imposed upon me by my agency for off duty carry, I will stick with the ten.
Hopefully I won't ever have to find out how efficient the ten is on a black bear. There is a State Ranger up here who put down a black bear with a .40 short & weak Beretta model 96. I am told the bear was standing when he fired at it, and he used up all three of his magazines.
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posted November 15, 2011 02:34 PM
TW, I'm shooting Nosler 240gr hollow points and have a box of 240gr XTP's to try but haven't yet.
Getting ate by a bear of any kind would be further down on my list of worries than if I was SF and knowingly going into harms way. If I can trust my autos to go bang every time in combat scenerios, fishing would be a no brainer. But the power level would have to match the threat.
I like revolvers but as one instructor reminded me, if a revolver jams up on you, you better be able to throw it. An auto has a few drills that can clear them pretty quick...
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posted November 15, 2011 03:07 PM
Tom,
Good points about the clearing of a semi-auto if needed. I've never had my ruger revolver jam on me and hopefully never do. If a growler is barreling down on me, there's not going to be much time to clear or throw the gun after the shot. Hopefully I never get the real deal attack.
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