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Leonard
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posted October 27, 2011 01:10 PM
My routine is using solvent and a bronze brush for twenty strokes. Then, I push a wet patch through the bore, maybe two. Then dry patches until they don't pick up dark streaks.
If I'm not satisfied, I start over.
I use Butches, or whatever solvent I happen to have on hand including Hoppe's copper. I put a quantity of solvent in a squeeze bottle along with a small amount of Kroil.
I rarely use JB paste, but do if I'm not having any success with solvent and a bore brush, I will dust it off and apply it to a swab for many strokes with a lot of mopping up afterwards.
I rarely use a dry bronze brush. Does anybody here advocate dry brushing? Does anybody use strictly patches, wet and dry. No bore brushes, nylon or bronze? Strictly soft cotton patch material, muslin, jag or a slotted tip?
What kind of bore guide? I have a number of specific custom guides but I find myself using the stoney point universal guide most of the time. I'm very careful about cleaning the rod and brush with brake cleaner. I use two different rods, one with a brush and the other with a push jag. I frequently double two patches and sometimes use an overbore patch. If I can pound it through?
So, who has different ideas, I'm sure mine are hardly revolutionary?
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Lungbuster
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posted October 27, 2011 04:08 PM
I don't use brushes usually, unless my process of using Butch's Bore Shine isn't working.
I use a jag and those cheap plastic MBM bore guides.
Sounds like your process is simlar to mine....
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posted October 27, 2011 05:23 PM
LB,
I guess I am lazy. I started using Wipe Out and really like it.
I have an 84 year old Oberndorf Mauser customized by J.P. Sauer that my grandad had made in 1927.
It had not been shot since my dad used it on the last deer he shot in December of 1976.
I used Wipe Out on it and it really got out some UGLY stuff...long story short, it took about 7 shots to settle down, but I got a .5", 50 yard group with it when I shot it to get ready for Kansas firearms deer season. I didn't want to use a brush and bore solvent as I didn't know how it would react to not having the bore mopeed for 35 years.
I have never used a dry brush, but have used Hoppes and a bronze brush before, but almost exclusively use the Wipe Out method now.
I use a Stoney Point Universal bore guide, and I believe a Possum Hollow guide for my .17 FB
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TA17Rem
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posted October 27, 2011 06:38 PM
For barrel break-in I use shooters choice mixed with kroil.. After break in I use Montana extreme bore solvent and copper out..
I put a wet patch on a jag and run down the barrel 4-5 times to get it soaking, then 20 strokes with a brush, then more wet patches down the barrel till one comes out clean then back to 20 strokes with a brush and repeat till first patch used after brushing comes out clean. I always keep the barrel wet witch gives the solvent a better chance to soak into anything that has'nt come out yet.. Finish with dry patches then move onto the bolt...
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posted October 28, 2011 05:30 AM
New barrel, I'll shoot about 20rds with nekked bullets, then clean it to bare metal with a brush & solvent. That barrel likely won't see a brush again for a very long time!!!
After I'm sure it's clean to bare metal, I mark my rod off from chamber to crown & stroke a patch soaked in moly paste up & back in between the two marks to 'pre-season' the barrel with moly. Followed by one clean patch...
After that, all my boolits are moly coated & I don't use a brush to clean hardly ever, if at all. Every couple/400rounds, I'll run a wet Kroil patch down, with two dry ones & call it good...
I do make sure to keep my chamber clean & bolt lugs free of debris. I put a small dab of Montana Exteme grease on the locking lugs & call it good. CLP on the ARs...
And Lucas bore guides, always!!!
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posted October 28, 2011 07:10 AM
My routine is similar to Tim's... however if I am in a hurry or it's not coming clean I use Darrel Holland's Witches Brew. 3 wet patches and 15 strokes with a wet brush and it's clean. Wet patch with Montana Extreme just to get the witches brew out, dry it up and go... works well in a pinch. I wouldn't suggest using it alot, but for those tough cleans it works well, kinda like JB...
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DAA
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posted October 28, 2011 10:52 PM
I've used it all. Anymore, Lucas bore guide and Wipeout. That's it...
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Leonard
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posted October 29, 2011 05:23 AM
If Dave recommends wipeout, I better get it because I think he is as close to "cutting edge" as anybody I know? If it has something to do with rifles, ol' Dave is worth listening to.
Thanks for the input, everybody. I think I might have learned something?
Oh yeah, by the way. I learned that falling off a ladder costs $13,000. Damn!
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Paul Melching
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posted October 29, 2011 06:09 AM
Labor from the depot costs about $8.00/hour and maybe one of Vics Samiches.But I would not hire an undocumented if my life depended on it!
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Paul Melching
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posted October 29, 2011 06:17 AM
My computer posted before I was done musta hit sumpthin.
Thats unbeliveable Leonard 13K? amd you have health coverage Im screwed I better stay healthy.
And not to be one to highjack a thread
Ditto on Dave.
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posted October 29, 2011 07:37 AM
Getting back on the original post. I like the looks of those Lucas bore guides. I'll be getting some of those and retiring my stoney point. I use regular hoppes and a bronze bore brush. I'll run int thru 20-30 times wet with hoppes. Next I'll blow brake cleaner down the bore hitting the chamber, gas tube, and lugs. Then blow it out with compressed air. Then I'll alternate between two wet patches and two dry patches until the patches clean up. At the end of the season I will run two wet patches down and let it soak for twelve hours then two dry patches and two more wet patches for another twelve hours. After about a week you well see less copper being removed and I will usually stop at that point. Don't let any solvents with amonia sit longer than recommended by the directions. You would be surprised how much copper will come out with regular hoppes if you let it sit for a while.
Speaking of SAMS and at the risk of being chastised on this board: I had a very full schedule when I was informed of our sewer line backing up on 1/2 the house. Our home is on two different septic tanks. I was told this on a Saturday morning while getting ready for an all day class that I had to attend. When I got home I learned from my wife that she called roto rooter, and they picked up dirt on the rooter bit. Roto rooter's estimate was $800 to fix the broken sewer line which was made out of clay. The next morning was my only day off for the next six weeks so I went to home depot to purchase a pick, already had a good shovel, and picked up a SAM(steady ablebodied mexican). We have very hard dirt where I live, but that kid dug the whole line up in about three hours. It would have taken me three weeks and several trips to a chiropractor. I made up a materials list and picked up the materials. It didn't take two more hours to replace the line and refill the trench. I paid that kid 90 bucks. With another $50 in materials and a pick, I got the whole job done for under $150.
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Leonard
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posted October 29, 2011 07:50 AM
Yes, Paul. I was a little shocked, but only a little because at 65, Medicare paid for most of it. Actually cost me a little over $900. (plus a thousand dollars worth of stool softeners)
But, I get all warm and fuzzy thinking how Obamacare will fix all these pesky hospitalization costs with rationing for seniors, and the death panels will help even more!
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posted October 29, 2011 01:17 PM
Yep, that's our boy obama. Once his health care plan takes over, us old white boys won't be needing any more psa tests either. He's put together a panel that already figured that one out.
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Leonard
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posted October 29, 2011 02:32 PM
Gotta fund that sickle cell research somehow, right?
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posted October 31, 2011 06:36 AM
Just a reminder, probably not needed, but do be cautious with Wipeout and wood stock finishes. It's very effective at removing some of them.
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Leonard
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posted October 31, 2011 07:57 AM
Does Dave own a wood stocked rifle? Maybe a safe queen or two? Possibly a shotgun? Hey! Maybe wipeout would be an excellent choice? Sounds like it might attack the wad plastic as aggressively as stock finishes.
Where can I get some of this wonder stuff? I only have two choices, Bass Pro or Turners, otherwise catalog.
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posted October 31, 2011 03:34 PM
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Does Dave own a wood stocked rifle?
Half a dozen just in pre '64 Winchesters. Maybe another half dozen various and sundry, including shotguns? No, now that I think about it, if shotguns and rimfires are included, I probably have more like 20 wood stocked firearms? Including the first rifle I ever bought for myself and the first centerfire I ever owned, a M70 .270 Win. Still the only rifle I've ever killed anything bigger than a coyote with. And probably still the single rifle I have killed the most coyotes with too, as far as that goes.
Had not shot it for I'm not even sure how many years, since I quit big game hunting with a rifle a long time ago. But I drew a rifle deer tag this year, so pulled it out from under the bed (not valuable enough to warrant space in the safe...) and dusted it off.
Short story shortened more, about a month ago I put a different scope on it and wanted to test it out so I used it to kill some coyotes. Cleaned it afterwards. With Wipeout. Discovered that whatever finish my Dad used on it back in 1977, is one of the ones that Wipeout removes ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) .
A picture of it after the field testing session:
Note, I was 12 years old when I bought it and the "fancy" grade was XTR. I couldn't afford an XTR so I bought the plain utility grade ($165 at Allied on south State street in Murray). My Dad then turned it into an XTR for me by adding the plastic forend piece, white line spacer and gloss finish etc. No idea what kind of finish he used, but if I ever decide to completely refinish the stock, I now know that Wipeout will greatly speed up the stripping process...
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Leonard
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posted October 31, 2011 05:50 PM
Looks like that Winchester is up to the job?
If you use wipeout on shotguns, I guess it wouldn't go very far due to the size of an average 12 gauge?
One of the things that impressed me spending a couple days at Dave's father's house in addition to the fairly complete stock of hardware, assorted nuts and bolts and various screws; (how many people stock a bin full of ½" hex plugs) .....was the display of arrows sitting above a kitchen cabinet. They looked all handcrafted and when I commented on them, Dave said that his father had killed at least one deer with every one of them. Looked to be around two dozen arrows. (probably Port Orford cedars) From those few curiosities, I concluded that Dave's father was probably a very interesting man, worth knowing.
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posted October 31, 2011 07:02 PM
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(how many people stock a bin full of ½" hex plugs)
How many you need????
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posted October 31, 2011 07:12 PM
Yup, PO cedars every one of them. Dad had gone full circle by the time he died. He actually worked with Damon Howatt for a short time and started out using his bows. Also had some vintage Harry Drakes and Bears of course. But he was an early adopter of the compound, I still have his first generation Jennings. He eventually came back to the recurves though, I also have his newest, a Bob Lee take down that he unfortunately never got to use. But through all the years and all the bows, he always used his own hand made PO cedars. I did too, for a long time. When I was in my early 20's I was shooting a 110 lb Martin compound and using some heavy PO's Dad made me just for that bow. Can't even count all the times I was told you can't shoot cedars with a bow like that, but I did and never had a single failure or problem of any kind.
I've got several hundred original Port Orford tapered shafts from the original Rose City mill, all in spine sorted batches that I need to get around to putting on ebay or something one of these days. I'll never use them, may as well get a few $$ for my Mom out of them.
And yeah, the old Win. can definitely still get it done.
Deer hunt was last week .
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posted October 31, 2011 07:30 PM
Looks like the antlers of one of those Book Cliffs bucks? something about the antler growth on Utah deer, like our Arizona strip deer have, must be some type of mineral in the soil....nice buck Dave.
I still have a Damon Howatt recurve I got as a gift back in 1975, and shot nothing but PO shafts with it, damned fine bow. It's just for lookin' at now,can't draw it anymore, but have many a good memory every time I look at it.
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Leonard
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posted October 31, 2011 10:11 PM
Box Elder is my guess. Hell of a nice buck!
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posted November 01, 2011 04:10 AM
Book Cliffs it were. Fun hunt.
Back to the bow from now on for me though ![[Cool]](cool.gif) .
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posted November 01, 2011 04:52 AM
I bought my first compound from Tom Jennings himself. A four wheeler with round wheels. Most everybody that hunted 'The Islands' used cedar arrows & MA-3 broadheads. We spined the arrows to the peak weight to 5 pounds over and they flew great. Shooting fingers no less!!!
Not sure how it would work with today's hi-speed cams.
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