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Author Topic: Dan Carey Andy L HI, I'M THE NEW MODERATOR OF THE CENTRAL MISSOURI FORUM, PULL MY FINGER! Member # 642 posted May 23, 2009 07:07 PM                   Do you make any lightweight 204 uppers? Im thinking of getting one for calling. I like my CZ 527, 20" light barrel. Its about the perfect size and weight. It would be nice to have an upper for my AR about that same contour. -------------------- Andy Posts: 2645 | From: Central Missouri | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged Dan Carey unknown comic posted May 23, 2009 08:42 PM              I can and have built light weight uppers in both 223 and 204. They seem to shoot OK until they start to get hot. By OK I mean 1/2" groups, when the barrel is too hot to hold in your hand you can expect 1" groups. IP: Logged Andy L HI, I'M THE NEW MODERATOR OF THE CENTRAL MISSOURI FORUM, PULL MY FINGER! Member # 642 posted May 23, 2009 09:06 PM                   Nothing wrong with that!! How does this work? If i decide to do it, do I send you my lower? It may be easier if I call you should I decide to get one? -------------------- Andy Posts: 2645 | From: Central Missouri | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged Andy L HI, I'M THE NEW MODERATOR OF THE CENTRAL MISSOURI FORUM, PULL MY FINGER! Member # 642 posted May 23, 2009 09:08 PM                   BTW, it would be strictly for calling. I doubt it would ever be fired more than 3-4 shots in a row. Sure no more than 5 since thats all my hunting mag holds... -------------------- Andy Posts: 2645 | From: Central Missouri | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged Andy L HI, I'M THE NEW MODERATOR OF THE CENTRAL MISSOURI FORUM, PULL MY FINGER! Member # 642 posted May 23, 2009 09:08 PM                   BTW, it would be strictly for calling. I doubt it would ever be fired more than 3-4 shots in a row. Sure no more than 5 since thats all my hunting mag holds... -------------------- Andy Posts: 2645 | From: Central Missouri | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted May 23, 2009 11:06 PM                       Andy, don't you think we already have enough people out there hunting with assault rifles? -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 32366 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Andy L HI, I'M THE NEW MODERATOR OF THE CENTRAL MISSOURI FORUM, PULL MY FINGER! Member # 642 posted May 23, 2009 11:15 PM                   I couldnt help myself LB. When Shaw went AR, I had to get one. It is fun to shoot. Ever tried one? I tell ya what is really a blast. I got a 22lr adapter. Change the magazine from 223 to 22lr and change the bolt carrier and in the span of a minute, literally, you can shoot 223 and 22lr. Great for plinking in the backyard. They are fast handling, light, easy to shoot, I dont know whats not to like about an AR. Im thinking about getting another one. But for now, I think I would like a 204 upper. Mine is 223, 16" carbine. -------------------- Andy Posts: 2645 | From: Central Missouri | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged Rich 2,000th post PAKMAN Member # 112 posted May 24, 2009 08:01 AM                       Andy, Leonard is an old fart that is set in his ways, sorta like me ya know? We prefer "hunting rifles" for our hunting. AR's are assault rifles. Ugly things. I see a lot of young callers spending money for special stocks and other ugly crap to make their shotguns look like assault weapons too. Crazy, the whole dang world has gone crazy. Me and Leonard are maybe the only ones in the calling world that are still sane. LOL -------------------- If you call the coyotes in close, you won't NEED a high dollar range finder. Posts: 2854 | From: Iowa | Registered: Feb 2003  |  IP: Logged Tim Behle Administrator MacNeal Sector Member # 209 posted May 24, 2009 09:22 AM                       Rich, I may not be as old as you two coots, but all of my rifles look like rifles should, and so do all of my shotguns. -------------------- Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass kickin'. Posts: 3160 | From: Five Miles East of Vic, AZ | Registered: Jun 2003  |  IP: Logged Andy L HI, I'M THE NEW MODERATOR OF THE CENTRAL MISSOURI FORUM, PULL MY FINGER! Member # 642 posted May 24, 2009 10:55 AM                   Thanks alot guys. I buy one "assault" rifle, well two, and all the sudden Im thrown under the bus. If it makes any of you old coots, you too Tim, feel any better, I havent hunted with it yet. Its just a safe piece and plinker so far. Gotta get ready for the revolution ya know! -------------------- Andy Posts: 2645 | From: Central Missouri | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged Kokopelli SENIOR DISCOUNT & Dispenser of Sage Advice Member # 633 posted May 24, 2009 12:19 PM                      Mini-14s!!!!!! 'Half minute of coyote' accuracey @ 100 yards. Call 'em in close & bang-flop 'em with a politicaly correct rifle!!!! Sorry guys,........ I couldn't resist. I'll go quietly now.... -------------------- And lo, the Light of the Trump shown upon the Darkness and the Darkness could not comprehend it. Posts: 8232 | From: Under a wandering star | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted May 24, 2009 12:34 PM                       Freedom of speech is a dangerous thing. First it's just messing with AR's, and before you know it, somebody is touting Mini14's, with a straight face. Aught to have his mouth washed out with soap! For shame! The worst club made in America! I'd sooner use an SKS, and I am not kidding about that part. Good hunting. LB -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 32366 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Andy L HI, I'M THE NEW MODERATOR OF THE CENTRAL MISSOURI FORUM, PULL MY FINGER! Member # 642 posted May 24, 2009 12:47 PM                   Really LB? I got an SKS too. Next time we get together I will bring it for you. Honestly KOKO, we all know that you cant hit a coyote at 100 yards with one of those damn things.... My neighbor has a Mini 14 and loves it. He doesnt do anything with it but shoot at some cans, notice I said shoot AT. I dont have the heart to tell him the truth everytime he starts in on it. He offered it to my youngest last deer season. I started to tell him that I really wanted him to hit a deer not just shoot AT it. -------------------- Andy Posts: 2645 | From: Central Missouri | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged Rich 2,000th post PAKMAN Member # 112 posted May 24, 2009 03:53 PM                       "I may not be as old as you two coots, but all of my rifles look like rifles should," ----------------------------- Well I don't know about the truth of that there statement now Tim. I saw a photo of you in your cactus chaps, and carrying a dang carbine that only had maybe a five foot long barrel on it. With THAT buger, a man wouldn't need any ammo even. Just whack em with end of the dang barrel. -------------------- If you call the coyotes in close, you won't NEED a high dollar range finder. Posts: 2854 | From: Iowa | Registered: Feb 2003  |  IP: Logged TOM64 Knows what it's all about Member # 561 posted May 24, 2009 05:17 PM                   Did ya'll fight the invention of the automobile just as hard? And for clarification, the AR-15 variants are not assault weapons. By definition they would need to be select fire unless you are a liberal. Have you heard, everyone but winchester makes one now and then of course they are owned by FN who builds the M16. Change is good, one mag at a time! [ May 24, 2009, 05:18 PM: Message edited by: TOM64 ] Posts: 2283 | From: okieland | Registered: Feb 2005  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted May 24, 2009 07:00 PM                       AR's are not assault weapons? Shit! I didn't know? I think I've been mislead by the Democrats? Good hunting. LB -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 32366 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Aznative FARTS ON CLUELESS LIBERALS Member # 506 posted May 25, 2009 05:09 AM                   Leonard, don't you live in Kommyfornia. Are you sure your just not jealous of those of us that live in free states and can own such fine firearms. We can actually hunt with them too. I went with the AR for strictly logical reasons. Calling predators sometimes offers the opportunity to harvest multiple animals at the same time. The best weapon to engage multiple animals that may be running is a light recoiled semiautomatic rifle that is accuarte; thus, Mini14s need not apply. I too use to dislike these types of guns. I use to call them starwars guns because of their modern spaceage look. It also didn't help that the AR gave our troups so much trouble in SE Asia. Because of this distaste for ARs, I started calling with an HK-630. Here is a link that will show you a pic of these fine weapons: http://www.hkpro.com/hk630.htm After two seperate trips to HK for repairs, I started changing my mind for three reasons. First, the repairs took 9 months to complete. Second, they stopped making these guns about two decades ago and spare parts have to be getting scarce. Lastly, my friends that had purchased ARs were having so much fun. I decided to make the HKs safe queens to be sold when I need a down payment for my next pickup. I went with the AR-15s because they work great. They have great accuracy. There have been 10s of millions of them made, and they are made to a mil spec. This means the parts are standarized and will be available for the next several milleniums. So what is wrong with being logical and practical. BTW: I believe a court ruled that the Kommyfornia's legislature's errored giving the attorney General powers to ban weapons at whim. The result of this court ruling is that you can now buy ARs that were not specifically mentioned in the origianl bill. There are a lot of fine weapons that can now be had legally in your state. Getem while you can. Snooze you lose. -------------------- Never thought the devil would need a teleprompter but I could be wrong. United State of America: RIP Born July 4th 1776 died November 6th 2012 Posts: 1937 | From: Phoenix Az | Registered: Jan 2005  |  IP: Logged Dusty Hunter Knows what it's all about Member # 1031 posted May 25, 2009 10:10 AM                   Quote: "AR's are not assault weapons? Shit! I didn't know? I think I've been mislead by the Democrats?" Leonard, You might have something there. They're not assault weapons, they're homeland defense rifles. Edited for spelling [ May 25, 2009, 02:58 PM: Message edited by: Dusty Hunter ] Posts: 346 | From: AZ | Registered: Dec 2006  |  IP: Logged Paul Melching Radical Operator Forum "You won't get past the front gate" Member # 885 posted May 25, 2009 07:20 PM                   "They're not assault weapons, they're homeland defense rifles. " They sure are and you can hunt with em too! -------------------- Those who value security over liberty soon will have neither ! Posts: 4188 | From: The forest ! north of the dez. | Registered: Jul 2006  |  IP: Logged browning204 Knows what it's all about Member # 821 posted May 28, 2009 04:41 PM                   Andy: I have a .223 in 16" also. Nice little rifle but not really a good calling option with the short barrel and decreased ballistics. I have talked to Dan about doin something with mice also. I would like a .204 upper but already have a .204 (duh) Posts: 167 | From: New Hampshire | Registered: Mar 2006  |  IP: Logged TOM64 Knows what it's all about Member # 561 posted May 28, 2009 04:51 PM                   Decreased ballistics??? 100fps under a 20" barrel might be decreased but certainly not to the point of having bullets bounce off anything. All 3 of mine wear 16" tubes and seem to work fine as a calling gun. Posts: 2283 | From: okieland | Registered: Feb 2005  |  IP: Logged browning204 Knows what it's all about Member # 821 posted May 29, 2009 09:45 AM                   I'm sorry, I should have said accuracy. My mistake. Posts: 167 | From: New Hampshire | Registered: Mar 2006  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted May 29, 2009 11:17 AM                       In my opinion, you were right, in the first place. Pound for pound, short barrels are just as, if not more accurate than longer barrels. And, of course, a sixteen inch barrel (in AR config.) will have a substantial reduction in velocity over a more standard 24" bolt gun; rather than the already mentioned 20". Wildass guess, 200fps? For some, it might matter, and for others, it might not? It doesn't even come close to what I want in a "calling gun". Granted, there are numerous versions of the "perfect" rifle for daylight stands, but a "16 AR in wide open terrain where the shots could vary from 25 yards to 300+; not (my) best choice. Good hunting. LB edit: whatever floats your boat, ya know? But, I can't think of a logical reason for an extremely short barrel? I mean, is it to save an ounce or two in weight, or snagging on the jungle underbrush, or what? Why might it be considered an advantage? [ May 29, 2009, 11:23 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ] -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 32366 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Dan Carey unknown comic posted May 29, 2009 02:18 PM              Let's look at it form a different prospective. The 224 bullet was an accepted bullet for predators in the late 40's and 50 in a 22-250 and the swift. In the early 50's Remington brought out the 222 Rem. and a lot of the predator hunter tried it out on predators with some success. Then came the 223 and the rest is history. Now comes the real truth. The 223 is a marginal caliber on predators. The Internet is littered with posts about poor hits made with the 223 and the predator left the scene wounded, never to be seen again. If you are going to kill an animal do it humanely. The swift has a hell of a lot more authority than a 223 will ever have. Now think about the 24 inch barrel 223 vs the 16 inch 223 and the loss of velocity. When you barely have enough at 24" you will have less than enough with a 16" plus all of the extra noise. In the hands of an accomplished shot the 223 will get the jobs done, but if he hunts a lot, not 100% of the time. I have shot coyotes with about every known cartridge in the free world, and will always tell a new caller that I recommend a 243 Winchester for a first rifle. And yes I do use a 223 at times, but rely on my 6 WOA most of the time. IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted May 29, 2009 02:53 PM                       I cannot find a single flaw in that line of reasoning, Dan. Oh, to quibble; I think that a 22-250 is an excellent choice for a beginner and it could well last you into retirement, but there is a lot a handloader can do with a 243, if he wants to choke it down for certain applications. But, as far as a 223...yeah, I think it is very marginal, for the type of hunting I do in the western U.S. All opinions welcome. LB -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 32366 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged

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