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Rich
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posted August 15, 2008 06:20 PM
I picked up a new Beretta A391 Extrema 2 the other day. It is in "duck blind" Mossy Oak camo. I screwed a Kicks .680 tube on the 28" barrel, and it patterns #4 Buck & Dead coyote fodder fairly well. The gun wants to center the pattern a little low for me. I dropped the barrel off with my Smith today, and he is gonna install a second bead, about mid way up the vented rib. I have a Kicks .690 "BuckKicker" tube on order,which should be here in a few days. Sure is fun to fine tune a new gun ain't it? ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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James L.
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posted August 15, 2008 09:07 PM
Rich, I have an 11-87 that patterns low for me..
What can be done about it??
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Tim Behle
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posted August 15, 2008 09:28 PM
James,
Add a bead at the rear of the shotgun. It will make you raise the barrel higher to see the front bead.
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Rich
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posted August 16, 2008 06:14 AM
Tim is correct of course. I decided to try adding the second bead in center of the vent rib at about half-way point, because it will look more natural there. It is common to see that center bead on shotguns. I plan to bring a larger bead home with me, just in case I need a higher rear bead. I have always aimed a shotgun like a rifle, rather than pointing it like the clay pigeon guys do it. When you are using a tight choked gun, the pattern is so small that you can't afford to be off very much on your hold. At 30 yards, my shotgun is placing 100 percent of my #4 Buck pellets into a ten inch circle. I plan to tune a choke/load combo that yields a "sure kill" range on coyotes out to 50 yards or more. I found that Winchester is offereing a 3.5" load that contains a whopping 54 of those big #4 Buck pellets. I haven't tried them yet, because I kind of like my right clavical and the surrounding shoulder muscles. I will likely order up some of those big boomers real soon anyways though.
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Kokopelli
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posted August 16, 2008 06:57 AM
Or......if beads don't color your rainbow, & the shotgun has a rib, slug sights work nicely with tight chokes.
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Rich
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posted August 16, 2008 08:31 AM
Kokopelli,
Your are right about those adjustable sights. I have them on my Browning pump. My new Beretta has what appears to be Weaver style mounts built right into the receiver, so if all else fails, a low power scope may be in order. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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posted August 16, 2008 09:12 AM
Not sure about Beretta Rich, but Bennellis have an adjustable stock. Change the angle of the stock and you change where you hit. I like my shotguns to hit a little high (above the bead) because I like holding just under a target so that I can fully see the target without the bead covering it. But for me a shotgun is still a point and shoot weapon. I think a scope of any kind would be a hindrance. I would be curious to try the new shotgun sight that Burris has out.
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Scott F.
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posted August 16, 2008 08:02 PM
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I would be curious to try the new shotgun sight that Burris has out.
The Burris Fastfire red dot?
I purchased one and put it on a shot gun and was not comfortable with my field of view being slightly obstructed.
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posted August 17, 2008 07:47 AM
I posted that that was the sight, but it's not. The one I was refering to was the speed bead and it mounts between the reciever and the stock so that your eye is much closer to to optic. It may have a better field of view that the one you tried Scott.
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Az-Hunter
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posted August 17, 2008 11:10 AM
I'll throw in my .02 cents here, only because I have extensive experience using the various red dot and holo sights. So many guys that Ive let use any particular firearm Ive owned, that were equipped with the red dot sights, invariably used the same technique they do with other optics. They squinted the off side eye,and tried to look thru the red dot. You have to get out of that mind set,and only focus on the target or coyote in this case. Most red dots have no magnification or very little at best, so there is no distraction from one eye seeing the magnification and the other normal ocular vision. Some guys shoot scopes with both eyes open,and I can too, but only if the magnification is very low power, once above 4X I have trouble with visual distortion.
With the red dot or holo type sight, it's as simple as mounting the rifle or dreaded shotgun, focus on the target/coyote, let the dot float to where you want to hit,and press the trigger. If done correctly, all you see is a red dot floating in space, the housing of the sight disappears,or should if your shooting correctly.
Don't look thru it, just look at your target.
The red dot sight is quite possibly the fastest sighting system yet devised,and with practice, it's amazing just how fast you can accquire a sight picture.
I had one on my competition revolver, back when I could shoot, and my best time on the falling plate rack, which has five six inch round steel plates, placed at fifteen yards, was 2.6 seconds, from the draw.
You can't point shoot at the distance,and I can promise you, I could see the dot near the center of each plate as I rolled the trigger....they are a great sighting system.
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Leonard
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posted August 17, 2008 11:26 AM
Okay, but my question is red dot or holographic? Shotgun application. (possibly AR, too) And, is EOTech the best and is the N battery model worth the extra money, and how about the NV feature?
You have Burris and Bushnell and their immitators. Gilmore? What's a guy to do? Once you plunge, you are pretty well committed.
Good hunting. LB
PS , pros and cons, bright daylight applications?
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Az-Hunter
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posted August 17, 2008 11:34 AM
To me Leonard, the EoTech, and Bushnell knock off Holosight are more for military/LEO application. They are bigger adn bulkier than some of the other perferred models out there. Both great,rugged sights, but Im not fond of the bulky look,might just be me?
To get a good one, a guys is going to shell out some scratch, just like any other optic. I'd look at the Docter make and one or two others, made or at least sold by J-Point and the other by Fowler/Pride industries. All of these are the very small versions, with screens about an inch or less is size, very unobtrusive, and weigh next to nothing.Ive seen them "melted" into the slides of Glocks and 1911s, and they look and shoot amazing. With our eyes Leonard,and the lack of being able to get a sharp,crisp sight picture with iron sights, it opens up a new world if you want to shoot a pistol or revolver again.
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Kelly Jackson
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posted August 17, 2008 02:36 PM
Leonard,
I put an eotech on the side of an AR. Shooting with both eyes open and watching critters tip over is worth the price of admission.
With this setup, I could use the 3X9 on longer shots and turn the AR 90 degrees and use the eotech when they were close.
I also tried the eotech as a stand alone sight system and it does not fit my program. I have gone back to just a scope on top. Looked like crap, but it worked well.
Currently I am not using it on anything. If you want to try one, before you plop down cash let me know and I will ship it out to you.
Kelly
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TOM64
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posted August 17, 2008 03:15 PM
Aimpoint has some new smaller versions out that I would like to check out.
Eo-tech has recently had some problems with weak springs in the battery box, supposedly they switched contractors in the middle of a gov't contract and when the problem surfaced they got the axe. If the batteries lost contact from recoil the sight would shut down.
I liked the AA version better and you only need the NV model if you run NV behind it, everything else is the same. Some think the NV is built heavier or something but that's not the case.
I have been using a Comp ML3 Aimpoint for a few years now and Vic is right, don't try to use it as a scope and pay no attention to "field of view". If you use a red dot right it's unlimited. The easiest way I learned to shoot it was to close the front cover and shoot. You can't see through the tube yet the dot is right on the target. Here's an intersting link that explains it better. http://www.trijicon-inc.com/aiming.cfm watch the video.
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TA17Rem
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posted August 17, 2008 04:34 PM
I like to use TRUGLO or HIVIZ sites on my shotguns. They work almost anytime of day and make it natrual for a shooter to pick up target and hit it..
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Rich
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posted August 17, 2008 06:42 PM
Az-Hunter,
In your honest opinion, do you think that a Bushnell Trophy model, red dot would do a decent job on a shotgun? I value your opinion highly.
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Az-Hunter
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posted August 18, 2008 09:12 AM
Rich, Ive not had any hands on with the model you mention, I know they have some really inexpensive models, like in the $50 range. You and I both know, you pay for what you get, and you get what you pay for. Will it hold up to shotgun recoil fine, I just don;t know, maybe they will work just fine, but I don;t have the experience with that brand to tell you.
Maybe it would be a good and inexpensive way for you to try one out, to see if that type of sighting system is to your liking, but I almost think you'd be better off, to drop the extra scratch, and get a better quality red dot?
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James L.
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posted August 18, 2008 11:43 AM
OK !! To begin with, a lot of good info..
Now... quote:
Not sure about Beretta Rich, but Bennellis have an adjustable stock. Change the angle of the stock and you change where you hit.
My 11-87 has the bead in the middle of the rib and while it does help some, it is still lacking..
As in the above quote I'd like to look into changing the angle of the stock as my problem (I think) is the way that I mount the gun on my shoulder.
Until I bought this gun I've never had one that shot this low. ![[Confused]](confused.gif) .
Does anyone know of a set of insructions online that would guide a fella through this process ?
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Rich
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posted August 18, 2008 01:02 PM
James L.,
If you are a "point and shoot" guy like traditional shotgun shooters, then one of those lace on "leather" gizmos which effectively raises the comb height would likely work wonders for you. Now if you "aim" a shotgun like I do, then I'm not so sure. My Beretta has an adjustable stock like 3 toes mentioned. I am hoping to adjust my vertical point of impact by changing the height of the center bead, which will in effect be my rear sight. If it doesn't work, I will always say "well it SHOULD have worked."
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Rich
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posted September 05, 2008 05:35 AM
I have my twin bead system working fairly well now. It patterns slightly high, but I can live with it. Here is a photo of recent 50 yard pattern with 3" Hevi-shot "Dead coyote".
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