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Topic: Nosler 80 bal tip .243 loads
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coyote whacker
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posted March 29, 2008 07:59 AM
Ok Anyone have a good rec for powders for this load? I'm going to try IMR 4895,Varget and IMR 4350 anyone have good results with these powders in there .243 with 80 grain bullets?
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Leonard
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posted March 29, 2008 10:01 AM
Depends on your application? I have a 243 and use the 70 gr Nosler BT or the 74 gr Berger. Anchors them rather well. I assume you aren't hunting fur with that cannon? 4350 should be perfect, H4831....there are a lot of good powders for a 243.
Good hunting. LB
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posted March 29, 2008 11:04 AM
I haven't loaded many 243 loads with that heavy of bullets, but for powders I really like H414. Roughly the same as 4350 but in a ball type powder. Meters easily and seems to be really consistant. I use it in several rifles.
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posted March 29, 2008 11:20 AM
No fur just really dead summer coyotes. I have a rem with 1- 9 1/8 barrel, I'm thinking the 80 would be as low as I would want with this twist for max accuracy. I see very little differance so far in the limited shooting of IMR 4895 and Varget, I just loaded up some IMR 4350 and will try that the next calm morning I have here.
I also bought 90 gr swift sciroccos to load up for the occasional deer hunt and will try IMR 4350 with those as well.
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posted March 29, 2008 11:34 AM
Well, I think you are mistaken about your twist only being suitable for 80 grain bullets. I have used bullets as light as 56 and 60 grains, in a 6MM Remington (same twist) and the accuracy is better than just adequate. In fact, you might be thinking of the old 244 Rem concerns, only backwards, won't handle heavy bullets as well as a 243?
Yeah, H414 is a hell of a good choice, I hoard all I have for a few other chamberings, but it's a good one for 243. It's a powder than has broad application, good velocity to volume ratio in a lot of predator type cartridges.
Good hunting. LB
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posted March 29, 2008 11:55 AM
OK, I was matching twist rate with bullet and I figured that a 1-10 or 1-12 would be better for lighter bullets and my "best" accuracy would come from the 80 gr bal tip, I could be very wrong, but I like the 80 grain. I have tried some 75 v max as well just a slight edge to the nosler 80 being more accurate.
I'll keep working with it, I also bought some nosler brass to see if it has any "real" effect on accuracy, if not I'll stick with winchester brass at half the cost!
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posted March 29, 2008 12:57 PM
Cal: Did you get the Kenton BDC dial yet??
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posted March 29, 2008 03:22 PM
Tim, I did get it. I was at a conference all week last week and when I got home it was finally here. I haven't got to play with it yet. But they did a nice job on it. I hope it works. It only lists up to 800 yards, but thats fine for me. I'm not planning on stretching things any farther than that anyway. Our weather and wind has sucked and it is supposed to get worse. Here it is with wolves as fair game and I can't get my rifle dialed in. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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posted March 29, 2008 03:51 PM
Good deal Cal. I think you'll be happy with it. The wolves are a little bigger than the coyotes,so just dial in and hold a little for wind and give them hell... ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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posted March 30, 2008 07:13 AM
Look at the bushnell elite lines, I just bought a 3200 5-15x40 for my .243 and it comes with really nice tatical knobs saves the $$$ on the knobs and they are really nice and you can rezero them easy, I know they make them in the 4200 line and now there 6000 line I beleive as well, that 6000? line is supposed to be every bit as good as most scopes well over 1,000.00
I like the elite scope so far, I would rank it with my burris FF2.
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posted March 30, 2008 09:26 AM
The Bushnell brand has suffered going way back, with the Banner, a POS scope. However, the Elite line (binocs and scopes) has always had a very good reputation. Never owned one though?
Getting back to your interest in 80 grain, 24 caliber bullets. I have used a lot of different bullet weights in about forty years and several different rifles intended for hunting predators.
The options are endless, but if anything sticks in my mind, it is that time and again, the best overall performance is with 85-87 grain bullets, in 243W and 6MM Rem chamberings. I have used 6/284 and 6/250 also, but most of the predators I have killed with that caliber, happened with the two most common.
I have had generally good results with 70 grain bullets, as well, but 80 grain strikes me as neither fish nor fowl, if that makes any sense?
The only concern you MAY have, with twists in the 9-10" range would be excessive RPM with light bullets resulting in an explosive effect. I never had that problem, but I suppose it could be, with some barrels? Otherwise, the need for a fast twist is to stabilize heavy bullets and I see very little concern for "over" stabilizing lighter bullets, speaking terminally. If the light bullets also have a thin jacket, they could explode before reaching the target. Rare, but it can happen....usually in higher capacity cases than a 243 Win, but could happen in a 243 AI.
In any case, if your application is dead coyotes, at moderate ranges, just a plain vanilla 85 gr. Sierra spitzer is hard to beat. I'd hate to guess how many coyotes have been dispatiched with that bullet and IMR 4350.
Good luck. LB
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posted March 30, 2008 12:04 PM
Coyotewhacker: Cal already has a scope for his rifle. Cal ordered a Kenton BDC dial awhile back for his long range coyote rifle. The kenton BDC dial is more precise than the bdc dials that come on factory scopes. I have tried the Bushnell BDC dials and Kenton and also the loopy Var. reticle and the Kenton is the most accurate of the three...The Kenton is tailered to the load you willbe useing in a particuler rifle. The Bushnell BDC dial is set up for the 223, 308, useing a certain weight bullet and a certain Vel.
Hopefuly Cal gets some time to test his Kenton dial and then can post on it to shed some lite on how well it works.. Myself i think its a good product and much simpuler to use compared to other tech. that are available...
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varmit hunter
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posted March 30, 2008 08:05 PM
Because my 243 is used on both Hogs and Coyotes. I have found nothing that performs on both like the 75 gr V-Max being pushed by varget. Even a 250 pound Hog will not take a step with a V-Max in the neck. Also I have never had a spinner coyote with it. As far as accuracy goes 3 3/4" at 600 yards with a Howa sportier is hard to beat.
The beauty of the 243 is that it's just like a 308. Decent powder with a decent bullet equals excellent paybacks with no voodoo or incantations.
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Leonard
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posted March 30, 2008 08:11 PM
Hey Ronnie! How the hell are ya?
You know what, I have not used any VMax bullets in 24 caliber, couldn't tell you why, just haven't?
I sure like the 55 gr. VMax .224! Damned fine coyote bullet.
Good hunting. LB
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posted March 30, 2008 08:37 PM
Leonard. I have been doing damn good even though they keep telling me I'm dead. My BP was 256 / 156 the other day. They told me I was going to die right there. I asked them to validate my parking ticket and came home and started reloading 6.5 X 284 rounds. Just need the wind to get below the 30 and 40 knots bracket.
Got bit on the butt by another Black Widow. Dammed if that didn't hurt more than the three on the neck. Just used the one part bleach and nine part water poultice the poison center gave me, climbed in the wheel chair and went back to the pond and shot turtles.
As I said there are a load of great 243 loads as you well know. Just haven't found anything that works better for me. Also surprisingly fur friendly.
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Leonard
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posted March 30, 2008 11:26 PM
That's interesting! Black Widows, I mean. I have a ton of them here, this spring. More than I can ever recall, before? My mom said I was immune, as a little kid, used to play under the oleanders and get bit every day. I hate them, but I hate grasshoppers too, kill them both every chance I get.
That's some impressive numbers, Boss. Take care of yourself.
Good hunting. LB
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varmit hunter
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posted March 31, 2008 08:57 AM
Leonard. Those Black Widows love to levee there eggs in the cooling fins of my electric wheel chair. Nothing I can do keeps them out.
I think I have become immune also. The first bite clobbered me. Now there like a bee sting without the abdominal and chest pains I had with the first one.
That poultice the poison center told me about works on all venom. I keep a bottle in my truck and fourwheeler.
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Leonard
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posted March 31, 2008 09:32 AM
So, tell me how to make it? Could be a good addition to a first aid kit. I remember a few years ago, I actually had one in my bed, a real quick glance as it ducked over the edge. I was sure of what I saw and searched for ? fifteen minutes or so, and finally found the bastard. I really enjoy killing them.
Good hunting. LB
PS your numbers.... I was a little concerned during my physical last month when they said I was 140 over 90! Take it easy, Amigo.
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posted March 31, 2008 10:06 AM
Leonard. The numbers are that way do to the degree of pain. They have already explained that the pain is what will do me in. I refuse to live on morphine or hard narcotics. That's not living for this country boy.
You make the poultice by mixing 1 part bleach to 9 parts water, and apply to a piece of cloth and use as a poultice. To show you what a red neck I am, I hold it in place with Duck tape. I mix it in a old prescription bottle and wrap a piece of wash cloth around it to carry in the field. This is not a home remedy. It came from the poison center. Amazing how fast it works on stings and bites from nasty critters.
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posted April 01, 2008 07:23 PM
whats best after you remove a tick? Does the bleach mix work for that also?
I pulled two off me Sunday and got the head out also, but the bite area is red and itches like hell. Usually don't have this kind of reaction after tick removal.
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posted April 01, 2008 08:13 PM
Keep a close eye on it. The damn things can give you lime disease. I know that first hand!!
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posted April 01, 2008 08:35 PM
Kelly. I would sure listen to Dan on the tick bite. If that thing forms a circle and starts looking like a bull's-eye get to a Dr.
Sounds like the head is still in there. When removing ticks turn them to the left just like a screw and you will stand a better chance of getting the head out. Yes the mixture will help with the burning.
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posted April 02, 2008 04:57 AM
Interesting poultice Ronnie, and an easy one to remember for anyone who has ever worked in food service. As it is basically the same as what is used to sanitize, just add double the bleach to the water.
I know that we have Black widows around here, I see them all of the time when pulling electric meters or opening Underground Transformers. But as far as I know, I've never been bitten by one. (But with my luck, I'll get nailed today, just for writing this!)
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posted April 19, 2008 05:19 PM
For 243 light bullets, I like any of the 4350 and powders with similar burn rates. I've personally used H414 and H4350. I like the smaller sized grains that H4350 offers.
With Heavier bullets of 90gns or more, I've had the best luck with H4831.
This has always been one of my best shooting calibers.
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