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sparkyibewlocal440
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posted July 04, 2006 08:21 PM
It's been about a year now, when someone I don't remember who, posted his new rifle,I believe in 6mm?What I remember most,it had a brake on it, and the attention it recieved,all in a negative way.About that time I received a dedicated calling rifle I'd been waiting to have built with a brake installed.Wasn't sure if I'd like it on a calling rifle.And if not, I could always screw it off and cap it.Killed 2 dogs this holiday weekend and forgot how awesome that brake performs.Does'nt loose the sight picture after recoil,enables to witness bullet impact or miss.Really like making long shots on dogs,out around the 300 mark......With Coyote in the crosshairs,still there after recoil,there's that brief moment of bullet travel,Coyote still standing there,impact occurs and Coyote tips over,then the whack is heard,like it's in slow motion,too cool.I beleive Higgins made the comment of having a great time shooting prone in the dirt?I would avoid shooting prone in the dirt with a brake.I'm either sitting on my ass on the side of a hill overlooking terrain or on a stool or bucket in the sage brush with a bipod of some sort.Hearing protection is a must,I just use the cheap foam plugs,at least in my left ear,nearest to the muzzle.I have to use 'em with or without a brake anymore,my left ear has gotten real sensitime over the years to muzzle blast. Shooting a .22-243.
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Tim Behle
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posted July 11, 2006 04:15 PM
You might try some of those electronic ear muffs.
I bought a pair for shooting matches a couple of months ago, and I'm thinking I might start wearing them while hunting come fall.
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rooster32
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posted July 11, 2006 08:28 PM
I have a 300 ultra mag that I hunt elk with. It has a muzzle break which really reduces felt recoil, but it is so loud its unreal. I wear plugs and ear muffs. After a few shots your head is buzzing. Thinking about taking the brake off. Its a cannon of a rifle and probably would trade it off if it didn't shoot so well.
Being able to spot your hits is very cool. One of the main reasons I like my .17 mach 4.
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Buffalobob
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posted July 12, 2006 05:43 PM
I bought a pair of Peltor Tactical 7s and tested them out early this week. All of my high frequency hearing has been gone for decades so the Peltors did not do much to allow me to hear the birds chirping and singing. The Walker Game Ears on the other hand are frequency tunable and have a high noise mechanical shutoff. With the Walkers I can hear pretty decently but with neither can I do any directional location. It is really amazing how nice it is to hear the birds singing in the Spring when you are out turkey hunting. A pair of Walkers will run you a couple of hundred dollars and you will then need to go and get some custom form fitted ear plugs for them to go into being as the foam plugs that comes with the Walkers are garbage. But they are so much better to hunt with than the Peltors for person with high frequency hearing loss.
Just as a note, I saw my first Coyote in Maryland after hunting the same area for 25 years. Scrawny, ragged critter jumped off the bank down into teh road and ran for about 20 yards down teh road and then up the far bank and into the woods. I only had four rifles and about 200 rounds of ammo in the truck. Like a good boy I had all the rifles cased as the law requires. At least I know where it and two others are.
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Leonard
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posted July 13, 2006 01:05 AM
Along those lines, Bob. The real solution for those of us with nerve damage is the programable digital hearing aids. I have had mine for about two and a half years and recommend them for all hunting and shooting activities. Only downside is the $4,000 price tag. My dear late wife practically marched me down to the store with a gun to my head; I'd never have got them on my own! She was always smarter than me in practical matters.
Good hunting. LB
PS I do not want a muzzle break on a hunting rifle. I get enough kicks observing other people's hits on animals.
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posted July 13, 2006 06:55 PM
Buffalobob
I called my first Maryland coyote 10-15 years ago. That was near Poolesville in Montgomery county. He was very healthy looking and weighed about 30 pounds. From the teeth he apperared to be 2 years old.
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varmit hunter
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posted July 14, 2006 08:38 PM
I have two Vais muzzle brakes, None of that skull splinting sound, and hands down the best recoil reducer I have ever used.
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sparkyibewlocal440
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posted July 15, 2006 09:55 PM
I also have a Vais on mine,very nice indeed.Matter of fact,I'm having a another Vais placed on a .20 Tactical that's in the works....Tim,what did those electronics muffs set you back?
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Tim Behle
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posted July 16, 2006 06:39 AM
They were $70-80 at Sportsman's Warehouse.
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Leonard
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posted July 16, 2006 12:02 PM
I'm (really) not being negative. I just don't understand why there is a need for a muzzle break on a twenty caliber rifle shooting 30-35 grain bullets? ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Good hunting. LB
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Az-Hunter
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posted July 16, 2006 02:37 PM
Why Leonard, if our last name was Vais....you'd know the answer to that question:)
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TA17Rem
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posted July 16, 2006 03:36 PM
Use a 17 rem. then you won't need a muzzle brake. I also shoot a 22-250imp. and i can see the bullet hit the snow or dirt. a brake on a 20 cal thats seems like a waste of money, but to each his own i guess.
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sparkyibewlocal440
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posted July 16, 2006 09:01 PM
According to Ron Bartlett who owns and installs Vais muzzle brakes,he puts allot of brakes on .233's and the like for the same reason I am,maintaining the sight picture.Why not install it,I like 'em.This rifle will be as light as I can get it for carry for miles at a time,jumping Jacks and roaming the high country for Chucks,so it's not your typical heavy weight varmint rifle that would keep recoil at a minimum.
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Tim Behle
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posted July 17, 2006 05:53 AM
Vais makes a great break, but I think Ron is just selling you one.
If you don't need a break on a rifle, don't use one. The added noise can cause you to start flinching. You'll never see a hit if you start flinching and miss.
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sparkyibewlocal440
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posted July 17, 2006 07:24 PM
Well said Tim,I agree.Flinching is not an issue with this build.When I forget how to spell RECOIL,I simply take out my .300WM for a day or two of calling to re-align the stars.....
I find myself at least once a day slipping off into a daydream, of having a high performance small caliber like the .20 tac, with just a whisper of recoil,how nice.Then I wake up hearing you guys trying to rain on my parade(just kidding).The brake I have on the above mentioned .22 Middlested has made a lasting impression,enough to have one on my .20.....For the cost of having a gun built with all the bells and whistles,all the incedentals,like dies,glass,cleaning stuff,etc.,what's another couple Ben Franklins for a Brake.
I learned over the weekend that Lapua has imported .20 Tactical brass into the states and I've located 500 peices at 49.00 per hundred,there's goes another 250 bucks.Poor me.
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Tim Behle
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posted July 18, 2006 05:42 AM
You build that rifle any way you want to have it built. That's the great thing about custom rifles, they are designed the way you want them to be.
A few years ago, I built a 17 Remington that everyone told me I was messing up on. It has a big heavy 27" barrel. And everyone was right, I now have a big heavy rifle that will wear you out if you have to carry it far.
But I've put 5 shots on paper and hid them all with a dime. It will shoot a 15 grain berger well over 5000 FPS ( But only for 150 yards when they vaporise )
That rifle may not be the best for a calling stand, but it is perfect for jackrabbits and ground squirrels.
Build it the way that you want, just be sure to show us some pictures!
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sparkyibewlocal440
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posted July 18, 2006 05:47 PM
We'll do.Won't be ready till Sept.-Oct.
Thanks,Gary
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