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Topic: blanks from my new 17 HMR??
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Five O in ND
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posted January 21, 2004 05:39 PM
Hey all, need some input.
Just bought a Savage 17 HMR synthetic w/heavy barrel for one of my boys. While out shooting at the range the other day, he noticed that some of the rounds were "duds" or didn't fire. For information, we were using the Hornady rounds as we heard those were the best.
I then began to shoot and noticed the same thing. Out of 50 rds, I bet we had at least 10 misfires or "duds". After inspecting these rounds, I could see the firepin impression on the back. I'd then reload that round, and 9 times out of 10, it would fire.
Since then, we've bought some CCI ammo (reluctantly) and will try that, but found it strange that this was happening. We've heard nothing but good things about the guns.
Also, it was about 10 below when we were at the range with little or no wind.
We do plan to take it back or speak to the salesman about it, but I thought I'd throw it at you guys first.
Thoughts???
Thanks,
Kendall
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Jack Roberts
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posted January 21, 2004 05:51 PM
At those temps you could have some oil slowing the firing pin fall. I would take the bolt apart and make sure there is not a lot of oil or grease in it. Just a guess, but it happens regularly.
Jack
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Five O in ND
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posted January 22, 2004 06:04 AM
Thanks Jack. That seems to be the concensus of everyone that I've spoken with. That was supposedly done to the gun before I bought it, so I guess I've learned that if you want it done right.........
I'll clean her up and give it another go.
Thanks again,
Kendall
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Leonard
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posted January 22, 2004 08:30 AM
Yeah, this happens, especially rimfires, and especially in colder climates. I think a graphite lubricant is safe to use when the temp dips that far below freezing? I'm surprised that you have not seen the problem before, since North Dakota is known for cold winters.
Oh, and be sure and mention over on the dark side, that you are crossposting your question(s) on Huntmasters. psst! (not considered polite, on the 'net) ...excusable, of course. In any case, that should get his attention. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Good hunting. LB
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Tim Behle
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posted January 22, 2004 08:41 AM
Five O in ND,
Just tell him never mind, your question was answered by "The Great Lenbo"
Why just get someone's attention when you can make them spew beer all over the keyboard? ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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MJM
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posted January 22, 2004 01:20 PM
Hmmmm - I believe that I've seen this question some place before ................
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Trophyhunter
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posted January 22, 2004 08:01 PM
MJM,
Fancy meeting you here! Keep in touch.
Alan
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Five O in ND
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posted January 31, 2004 06:02 PM
Just thought I'd let everyone know that I meant no disrespect in the cross-posting; and I'm glad someone brought it to my attention in a tactful way. I figured I'd seek as much information possible without giving thought to what those who run these boards might think....mighty nieve of me. So again, my apologies.
Kendall
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varmint101
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posted February 01, 2004 07:22 AM
Five 0, I see no problem with it. Not everyone visits each board.
Matt
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Leonard
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posted February 01, 2004 08:25 AM
Maybe you don't Matt, but there ae plenty others that are offended by it, and Board Administrators would be 100% frowning on the practice, so that's what you need to consider.
What you did, sharing a photo or an account of a hunting experience is a lot different from a copy and paste of the exact inquiry on different boards, all at the same time.
The people that take the time to respond to the question are also offended, when they realize that the question has been adequately covered over on the dark side, which was the case, with 5 oh.
It doesn't bother me so much, if it's the faux pas of someone unaware of Internet courtesy; but repeated offenses will earn a mention.
I appreciate the apology offered by 5 oh.....and thank him for it, although it was unnecessary, as far as I'm concerned. But spreading your duplicated, but vital messages all over cyberspace will not earn you much respect, so that should be the concern of all of us that use the medium.
I'm sure it can be explained much better elsewhere, but that's my take on the subject, so as not to create the wrong impression for anyone.
Actually, since Krusty has been around on different message boards, maybe he has a more precise, and accurate definition? Krusty, are you out there?
Understand; this is no big deal, for me, I just want to correct any misunderstandings.
Good hunting. LB
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varmint101
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posted February 01, 2004 10:04 AM
It's no big deal to me either. It's sad people are that petty. I see nothing wrong with trying to find the best answer to a problem by posting it on different boards. lol And on my fox, it's my first one and I felt everyone should suffer equally with my story and pictures.
Matt
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Krustyklimber
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posted February 01, 2004 04:25 PM
Leonard,
I didn't realize admins frowned on crossposting between boards, but I come from a different part of the internet, where advice meant MY life or death, not just that of my prey...
It was important to get a second opinion, often times best from the "opposing side".
I know though, that when it is done in troll fashion, like any trolling, it is not considered proper internet conduct.
*Trolling... the purposeful posting in order to create a nuisance or unrest... stalking, spamming, clones, etc.
This "crossposting" has pretty much appeared to be the norm, in hunting cirles, too. I frequent a half dozen of the hunting boards, using "todays active topics" on most... so even if I don't frequent the reloading forum, I still am up on what's been posted there.
I often see the same threads played out over several boards... the juicier the subject, the more boards it's on.
It's funny but you see less of the technical crossposting in hunting, and more of it in climbing.
Whereas a trip report is considered only proper to post on one climbing board, and photos of dead critters are the one most proper to crosspost on hunting BBs... go figure?
I have always liked how different boards deal with a similar thread in a completely different manner, I often learn a whole new take on a given question, or to view it from a different place.
This is usually the site where I get the most grounded, realistic, view of a sitiuation.
The "What's in Your Backpack?" thread is a really great example of how two boards were completely different (and of how I was unaware of it being rude)
I am sorry I put Matt up to sharing his photos a second time, I knew that most who come here also at least read over at PM.
I was just proud for him, and a little for me too (as the call maker).
I never ever go to Coyote Gods... I found the "greeting" there less than inviting, I find the atmosphere hostile, and most members condecending. That was in the like three times I surfed around there. If I wanted to be involved on a "read only" basis I'd just use Google and read written information, not bother watching a bunch of others have a conversation.
This is too bad, because I really liked J-H in the video... but I didn't feel like setting myself up just to be booted by them.
Predator hunting is already hard enough for the average newbie to keep their spirits up, without the rejection of one's peers.
This has been very enlightening for me, Leonard, perhaps it has been my lack of understanding this part of internet etiquette, that has lead to some of my interaction problems.
But by posting the same thing on different boards, I might get an answer from Chile Rojo, one from Vic, and another from Bala Plata... these would all be wildly variant answers, and I am sure at each extreme of "personality" these answers would come from, I would hear a valid point made by all. (ya know what I mean)
I got an idea, Leonard... maybe if you didn't bother to go to the Coyote Gods' forums, you wouldn't see that 5-O had done crossposted on ya... ![[Wink]](wink.gif) LOL
And we know J-H will have to look in here from time to time... it's the best predator hunting BB on the net
I know I learned something about guns today (on HM), I would otherwise have not (until some other day) because you have made me feel so much more welcome than J-H did.
And just think... even with the panel of experts over there, 5-O didn't think he'd gotten a good enough answer (or he felt like sharing with us).
I know when I was on the panel of 'sperts, I was pretty proud of when someone came from "over there" to ask "us".
It all goes back to "intent"... did 5-O come from "over there" with bad intent, it didn't appear so to me.
But many of us are luckily too new to know of the origins of the controversy... and there's been a lot of "comings and goings" done in the past, and since.
I can see where some of you big dogs at the top of it all, can easily greet anyone from "over there" as suspect.
No matter which "over there" they come from.
On these hunting BBs there seems to be a wider variance of TOS than any other hobby I visit a BB for...
Some allow unlimited commercial advertising, free of charge, others do not.
Some have bots in place to limit adult language, others have adult sections with racey pictures and video avitars, and pretty much unlimited use of language.
All the way up to the most extreme set of "rules" of any I have ever seen for a BB of ANY KIND...
"Say yote, and die..."
Krusty 
P.S. 5-O, I think you should send that .17 to me, for extensive testing in a moderate climate.... it should never get too hot or too cold for perfect functioning.
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Five O in ND
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posted February 02, 2004 06:56 AM
Krusty,
Good points, as I tend to agree. And as to my "intent", I can't assure you of anything, as you (and most here)don't know me. But I will say that my posts were for the pursuit of knowledge (blah) that I figured might come from different areas (ie. different boards). And added to that, I'm a young 34 years old and have been hunting for most of my life (in effort to show my lack of green-ness).
And I can't honestly say which board I posted with first, as that didn't enter into the equation at the time. But I will say that I received useful tips from all sources.
I'm one who believes that you can't sell a product by dumping on someone else's, and I don't think that's done here, but I do believe it is done on other boards.
I did learn a valuable bit of information, and that is to limit the cites I post on, as it could be considered rude. I did not know this, but now I do, and will be more careful.
Oh yeah, by the way Krusty, I took the .17 HMR out yesterday and it seemed to perform swimmingly....so as to your offer of me sending it to you.......uh......gonna have to pass.
Nice try though.
Kendall
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MJM
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posted February 03, 2004 03:06 PM
Since I brought this up first I guess I should comment. To me cross posting is not really a big deal but a nice note that says something like, "I am looking for a variety of answers and approaches to this problem so I am posting this same question on a number of boards." Most boards have the same core group of posters, but there are some that stick to only one board, well maybe two and occasionally a difficult to find answer will pop right out. I also appreciate the comment by Krusty relating to the different approaches of various boards. I know that this board will handle a question slightly differently than PM (Hmmmmm or was that at least once PMS ) and way differently than it would on the Coyote Gods. THe difference can be rather refreshing.
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