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CougerBait
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posted May 06, 2003 01:52 PM
Last winter I bought a ruger in the .22 KHornet. Just wondering what you guys think of that little pill.
Some time this week I should be getting some 30gr Dbl HP from Mr.Calhoon. Going to give that a try with 13gr of lil-gun.
So far the most accurate load is 12gr H110 topped with a 35gr V-Max.
This gun is fun too shoot. You can watch bullet impact though the scope. 2 weeks ago shot a couple of gray diggers at 200+ yards with it. I was more than happy with the performance at that range, with that load.
I'm planning on using this round on coyotes up to but not past 200 yards. Need your input. I want to collect what I shoot. Plus I want them to go right down.
Most of the time I will be shooting the .223. I just like the KHornet.
Thank you for you time.
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Leonard
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posted May 06, 2003 03:18 PM
That's a chambering that holds interest for me, as well. Is that a factory chamber?
Good luck, LB
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CougerBait
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posted May 06, 2003 05:43 PM
Leonard the factory chamber is the .22 hornet. By reaming the chamber it give the case shoulders. What we have seen is that by giving that little round shoulders it improved the volicty (sp) any where from 200 to 300 FPS. 13.5gr LiL-Gun and a 35gr V-Max and we got 3444FPS. With the 30gr Dbl HP I'm hoping to get 3800 FPS. But I'm afraid that the 30gr bullet wont get the penatration that is needed on coyotes.
Has any one used the 35 or 40 gr V-Max on coyotes? They sure do a number on diggers!!!
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Jack Roberts
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posted May 06, 2003 05:53 PM
They are usually more accurate because the sharper shoulder makes for more consistent headspace. However the 221 will do everything the Khornet can and then some, plus is usually more accurate.
Jack
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UTcaller
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posted May 06, 2003 06:17 PM
Jack is right.I shoot a 221 and they are truly a dream to shoot.No recoil at all,and very accurate(under 1/2 inch groups), I am shooting 40 grain nosler ballistic tips 3500 fps with 16 grains of LiL'Gun.It is a ball to shoot.I use this setup mostly for rabbits,prairie dogs, rock chucks,the occasional feral cat,fox,and bobcats.I have shot a 22-250 for 15+ years for coyotes but am going to try my new 223 ackley improved this year.GOOD HUNTING CO
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Leonard
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posted May 06, 2003 06:42 PM
A pleasure to shoot, no doubt; Chad! But not like my introduction, via XP100. Man, that sob is loud!
For both of youz guys, aren't we forgetting the nostalgia factor? 221 just doesn't have the cachet of "Hornet", does it?
Good hunting. LB
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posted May 06, 2003 07:54 PM
Cougarbait, I'd shy away from that 35 Vmax for coyotes. I've shot hundreds of squirrels and rabbits with it. It's extremely frangible. Especially at higher velocity. Noticeably more so than the 40 Vmax - which ain't exactly slow to expand itself. You'd have to sneak it between the ribs to get it into the vitals.
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Az-Hunter
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posted May 06, 2003 08:41 PM
I just traded off my Ruger chambered in the K version, but still have another in straight 22 Hornet. What a great little cartridge the K is, bumps up velocity to near .223, with bullets on the light side. I take lots of coyotes with my hornet every year, and my bullet of choice is the 35 grain V-Max. The soft nose and hollow point bullets I was using shot great, but exhibited a tendency to pass thru, with little effect. I find the V-Maxs' are stout enough to get to the vitals, and then go to flinders, although I do experience several pass thrus with them. As long as Im calling in terrain where shots will be this side of 150 yards, I certainly do not feel under gunned shooting a hornet. Use a small pistol primer to gently light the fuse, load it up with AA1680, and top it off with a Hornady 35 grain V-Max, and you have a dandy coyote killer.
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Rich Higgins
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posted May 10, 2003 05:17 PM
cougarbait, I have a K-Hornet that I use for coyotes in settled areas. I use the 45 Nosler Hornet bullet over Lil-Gun for 3100 fps. It will bang-flop a coyote 100 + yards with certainty even with less than perfect hits. I've had 40 V-Maxes blow up on the surface on coyotes failing to penetrate. For that reason I've never shot anything larger than crows with the 35s. The K-Hornet is just a short notch down from my 223 in performance with significantly less blast. I sold mt 221 because the 300 fps that Lil-Gun added to the K made the 221 un-neccessary. Wonderful little caliber, wouldn't be without it.
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CougerBait
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posted May 11, 2003 11:37 PM
Rich
How many grains of LiL-Gun are you using? And what is your twist rate? Just wondering. So far for mine the lighter the bullet the more accurate the gun seams to shoot.
I don't think that I will ever be able to get rid of this little gun. It is cheep to shoot and a heck of allot of fun to boot.
By the way, how many loadings are you getting off of your brass? And are you getting loses in each firing? I just finally just started to neck size only. I'm hopping that will help.
In fire forming i'm only looseing 3-5 brass. But on each load after that I have been loosing the same. I have had the same results with win and rem brass.
Thank you for your time.
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Rich Higgins
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posted May 12, 2003 05:49 PM
CougarBait, I'm using 14.5 grs. I don't know how many firings I get. It's so many that I don't worry about it anymore. I've had no casehead separations, which was a problem with the original chambering. I inspect for neck splits after sizing which occassionally occur. Split shoulders during fireforming are not a problem either because I anneal the cases first.Outside neck turning is a must. Good luck.
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CougerBait
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posted May 12, 2003 11:06 PM
DAA thank you for the input. And Rich Thanks again. This last weekend I got the .223 dialed in.
As far as the KHornet goes I should be getting the Calhoon 30 gr Dbl HP in tomorrow. Can't wait to see how those work. As far as a coyote round goes I guess I'm going to have to just wait and see what I can work up in the bigger loads. As far as 45gr and up go. Hopefully I will have some thing worked out by this fall. But if I don't at least I have the .223.
This weekend I came up with a weird combo for the .223. The gun is a 340 Savage, 30 to 40 years old. It likes 26.5gr Varget w/ a .224 Dia 45gr Sp hornet bullet. I'm a little worried adout it being a hornet bullet and not getting the penatration that I need. But between me and a bud we shot 4 groups at .500 at 105 yards. As of right no it is the most accurate gun that I own. It also happens to be the oldest.
Has any one used the 45gr SP hornet in either Hornaday or the sierra? The gun has the same POI w/both of them. Thanks for all of your help.
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Rich Higgins
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posted May 13, 2003 11:44 AM
CougarBait, I'm a little confused as to which Sierra bullet you are using. The Sierra 45 gr. Hornet Varminter #1210 is a roundnose and is the exact duplicate of the Nosler Hornet Solid Base and I can use them interchangeably without changing poi in my rifle. The Sierra 45 gr. SPT Varminter #1310 is a true spire point and is more heavily constructed than the Hornet bullet and should perform well at .223 velocities. BTW, that 1310 bullet was the most accurate I've ever shot in my rifle bullet but it performed like a solid at standard hornet velocities.
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CougerBait
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posted May 13, 2003 03:23 PM
Rich
The bullets I was using was the Sierra 45 gr soft point Hornet #1210. And the Hornady 45 gr soft point Hornet #2230. They are both short blunt nose bullets. But the .223 love them. Same POI with both of them. Kinda nice that way. Have you used them on coyotes before? Just wondering how they would hold up. The next time we go shooting the corny with. The books state it should be getting around 3100 to 3200. It will be interesting.
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CougerBait
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posted May 15, 2003 11:09 AM
Well I got the 30gr DBL HP yesterday in the mail. It is a real nice looking bullet. And I also got some of those loaded up yesterday. Now I'm just waiting for a good time to try them out.
While I looked at the bullet yesterday I came to the conclusion that those bullets will not be used on coyotes. By the design of the bullet they are way to explosive. But it does look like a killer rat bullet.
Can't wait to go shooting.
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posted May 15, 2003 11:14 AM
Cougarbait,is your 22k a Ruger number 1,that's all I can find on Ruger for that caliber ?
I used to have a Ruger rotary 22hornet,but I sold it to my stepson because he wanted it so bad,and couldn't afford a new one.Wish I had kept it.
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CougerBait
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posted June 05, 2003 12:54 PM
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I have a ruger 77/22 in the KHornet. If I were to buy a hornet again it would be in CZ. The CZ bolt locks in the front. And the ruger locks in the rear of the bolt.
I'm real sorry I didn't get back to you sooner.
I think were just figured this one out. I have more rounds to shoot before I'm sure yet. Last sunday a friend took the only 5 loads of 40 gr V-max and three of the shots where basicly in one hole at 100 yards. But with the other 2 shoots the group meassured 1 inch. That is the best this one has shot so far. But with me and the guys that I shoot with in order for it to be a 1 inch or 1/2 inch gun you have to do it more than 1 time. So we will see in the next couple of weeks what this load and gun are is capable of.
Even if i get this gun to under one inch I'm still thing about selling it. It is a great little gun, fun to shoot. But the .223 I own is shooting under 1/2 inch. so I really have no need for the hornet now.
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posted June 05, 2003 01:39 PM
No problem with the slow reply CB,we all have a thing called a life beyond these boards...hopefully we all do,anyway ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) .
I just orderd a Cooper M21 Left handed varminter in 20 tactical,so I guess that will do nicely.I had thought of purchasing a K hornet,but I'm more pleased with my current choice.Now I have a Bushmaster Varminter,a Thompson Encore with a 22-250 and 17Rem barrel[here in 10 to 12 weeks]and the Cooper I just mentioned will be ready sometime after January. I like having a selection of rifles to hunt a particular type of game with.Plus,I like developing loads for all the various calibers.It's something to do in the off months to stay busy,and it's an awful lot of fun,if you take your time.
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CougerBait
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posted June 05, 2003 06:47 PM
Seldom Ever sounds like you have a bunch of great choises for hunting. I have heard good things about that 20. And in a cooper, I think that it will be well worth the wait. hopefully it goes by quick for you.
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posted June 05, 2003 08:04 PM
Really I don't have that many rifles,I'll bet most hunters out West have more,because there is a larger selection of game to hunt there.But I like what I do have,and I am really looking forward to getting the Cooper,it will be worth being in the poorhouse for a little while .
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posted June 06, 2003 07:16 PM
Seldom Ever 2 of my hunting buds have 30+. And they just don't stop buying. Me my self have under a dozen. But I do have basicly every animal covered in north america. But still not enough. Time to get the inbetween guns and wild cats now. I would love to get the 20 in cooper. Let me know how you like that one. I have never seen one but I hear they are really nice.
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