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Krustyklimber
prefers the bunny hugger pronunciation: ky o tee
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posted March 28, 2003 12:40 PM
I have a stupid question... and since you guys are used to my stupidity, I figured I'd ask it here... ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
I shoot an Armsport 20ga O/U in 3" (a truley beautiful piece of machinery) and it has double triggers.
So if I were to pull both triggers together, is my gun then packing the punch and amout of lead as a 10 ga? Or am I delusional as usual? lol
I am really hoping to drop my first coyote during turkey season, should I put some real coyote medicine in one bbl, or will turkey loads x2 do the job?
Thanks,
Jeff 
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S.Frame
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posted March 28, 2003 01:46 PM
Krusty, touching both 20 ga. barrels off at once would give you roughly the same 2oz (or 2.5 oz. in the case of 3” 20’s) payload as a ten, but the effect would be different than a single 10 ga. Discharge.
Most doubles do not print both barrels to exactly the same POI. That divergence, plus the fact that the two barrels have different chokes would likely cause you to throw a very large pattern that is not much more dense in any one segment than a single discharge would yield.
In other words, I doubt you would put any more pellets in the place that counts.
Draw a six-inch circle (about the size of a coyote’s vital area) on two seperate sheets of paper, set them out at 35 yards, and shoot the first one with a 11/4oz 3” load of buffered, copper plated BB’s. Now, brace yourself, grit your teeth and do a “twofer” with the same load. Count the hits on both. You won’t see a statistically significant difference Krusty.
You really do want to pattern your O/U to find the best load/choke combination. Once you do that, call them in less than 40 yards, pull ONE trigger and they will fall down.
Save that second barrel for the one behind you that you didn’t see until you fired at the first one.
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Krustyklimber
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posted March 28, 2003 03:13 PM
Thanks Shaun,
First of all, I am glad you have surfaced... I was beginning to worry about you. I hope you are well.
I was afraid that was the case... and I am glad to know my 20 will do the trick anyway.
I don't know why I love the thing so much... it's all flowery engraved, and high quality wood.
Not really my style.
I actually patterned it just as you suggested one of each bbl on a sheet of 8 1/2 x 11 graph paper, and one of both bbls... there did not seem to be a noticable change in POI, and doubling up knocked the whole board over! lol
But there is a definite difference in pattern between the Full and Mod bbl, I am actually really suprised at how small both patterns were.
I had always pictured a shotgun as throwing a "six foot circle of death"... no wonder I miss so many crows.
Jeff
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Leonard
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posted March 28, 2003 07:01 PM
One of the eternal questions is what shot size to use for predators, in general. First of all, I've never used a twenty on predators, never owned a twenty, but my dad had one, and I only used it on birds. So much for my qualifications, and I understand your situation; it's all you have.
Yes, you can kill a coyote with a twenty gauge, but you should let him get real close, or don't bother pulling the trigger(s). I use a twelve gauge and I unabashedly claim that it is only marginal, beyond forty yards.
I used to use 3" Federal 2 oz. BBs, for many years, but the #4 buck works so much better in a 12, that it seems to me that it should also be a good choice in a twenty?
The guy that comes to mind is Rich Cronk. I recall reading that he has done some field tests on different loads, and I think he is of the opinion that the 2 3/4" shells are a better choice because of the higher velocity? Whether that applies to twenty gauge, I don't know? Then again, choosing a full choke may or may not be the way to go, you will probably have to try it and see?
You might try BBs in one barrel and #4 buck in the other and then switch the order, and try it again.
If you knock one down, I suggest that you get up, and go get him before he recovers. I have seen numerous coyotes get back on their feet and run off when dumped with a twelve @ 40 yards. Don't be sleeping when it happens to you.
Good luck, LB
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Tackdriver
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posted June 08, 2003 06:17 PM
My first firearm, my first shotgun, and my first reloading project was a 20 gauge Stevens 311.
I still have that shotgun, for what reason I cant comprehend, as I never use it. I probably have not shot it in over 15 years. I must be a softie....
Once I got a 12 I never looked back.
I did try the dual-trigger pull. Many times. What Shaun said about different POI's is true, with some guns having more disagreeable POI's than others. Brits call this "regulation", but there is another problem.
You will probably not get both tubes to fire in exactly the same instance in time. At least I couldn't. You might get close. But consider that the target is moving, you are swinging, and doing just what you ought. Fire! Now there is a delay on one of the tubes, what just happened?
You had one good pattern dispensed with the proper amount of lead and control, and another that went somewhere in the general vicinity, not quite as good as it woulda been otherwise. A lagging one.
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Rich
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posted June 08, 2003 06:42 PM
Krusty,
I have never tried a twenty on coyotes, but if it is all you have then I think you can kill coyotes with it just fine. In the twenty I would use what S. Frame suggested. Copper plated and buffered 3" magnums. I like Federal "Premium" or Winchester XX magnums. I have tested a lot of twelve gauge guns and several tens, but it was before the new "Hevi-shot" stuff was available. From what I hear, the hevi shot gives further sure kill range but the stuff is very expensive. I have one twelve gauge that is an honest 45 yard coyote killer, and a second twelve that is good out to fifty yards. Keep in mind however, that I tried several different load/choke combinations to achieve this. Your twenty should do well out to thirty yards, but be sure to test it on paper first. Good luck.
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Leonard
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posted June 08, 2003 07:25 PM
Welcome to the New Huntmasters, Tackdriver. I guess you have just registered, and of course I know you, we have met, and you were a member of the old board. Glad to have you on board.
Good hunting. LB
PS hey, have you called any local critters with your African sounds?
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