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Topic: Hoppe's No. 9 turns 100
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Barry
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posted February 03, 2003 06:12 PM
I new this stuff had been around a while but 100 years ,wow.I started using this stuff as a kid in the 70's.Sometime in the mid 80's I switched to Shooters choice and 2 years ago I went to Butch's.I'm not forsure why I switched from Hoppe's but I went to Butch's because they were out of S.Choice at the time.I mix in a little Sweet's when needed and also J.B.and flitz.They all seem to do a good job but I was wondering what you guy's used and why?Am I missing out on any new secret juice?
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Az-Hunter
Hi, I'm Vic WELCOME TO THE U.S. Free baloney sandwiches here
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posted February 03, 2003 06:30 PM
I still use Hoppes.....the smell of it, takes me back to the early sixties, dove hunting in what was miles of cotton and milo fields around Marana Az. Im well aware of the modern super scrubbers, but a little elbow grease, and a strongn dose of #9 still swabs all my barrels.
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DAA
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posted February 03, 2003 06:36 PM
I remember why I switched from Hoppes, it was because the gov't made them quit using the active ingredient. Something about causing cancer or somesuch... Used to could have told you what it was called, can't remember now. It was a long time ago. It still smelled the same, but it sure didn't work the same anymore. I use whatever is closest when I need it - Shooters Choice or Butch's. Keep Sweet's around for the cobby barrels, JB for the occasional deep clean.
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Jack Roberts
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posted February 03, 2003 06:38 PM
The Hoppes of today is but a shadow of what it used to be. All it is good for is removing loose powder fouling. I still use it for that, but that is all I expect from it. JB and Sweets for everything else.
For those who might not know; Never use Shooters Choice in the same barrel you use Sweets in. Even a trace amount of Shooters Choice in a stainless barrel will make Sweets become corrosive. The jury is still out for regular steel barrels, but stainless can definitely be corroded.
Sweets by itself is not corrosive. I once took some stainless barrel cut-offs, mirror polished them, and soaked them in Sweets for 18 hours. Even under a strong magnifying glass there was not a hint of corrosion.
Jack
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Jack Roberts
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posted February 03, 2003 06:40 PM
DAA
One ingredient now missing is nitromethane.
Jack
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Leonard
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posted February 03, 2003 06:50 PM
Yeah but that smell is almost worth the price of admission; takes me way back.
I have heard that 7.62 can cause microscopic cracks, and that once you start using it, you need to stay with it...something like that?
I like Shooters Choice and Kroil to clean copper fouling, Hoppe's Copper when I don't have Shooters choice on hand, but I still use Hoppe's #9 for powder fouling on shotguns and revolvers. Actually, I use five or six different things, including Remington's gray snot, and a jar of JB will last me ten years, but you can't beat the smell of #9.
Good hunting. LB
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Jack Roberts
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posted February 03, 2003 07:11 PM
Leonard
Those cracks are intergranular corrosion. Only happens when Shooters Choice, or something similar is present. There were several articles in Precision Shooting maybe 6 years ago. Krieger says the same thing. In fact he says Sweets is what they use to clean returned barrels before air gauging. He said it is the only thing they trust to remove all the copper. Apparently a barrel not perfectly clean can screw up their air-gauge tool.
Jack
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DAA
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posted February 03, 2003 07:49 PM
Long as we're on the subject, there are some very good heads, in the barrel making business, that believe Kroil is a major culprit in some of the damage we are talking about. Theory is, that the Kroil does what it is supposed to do - penetrate, so well, that once you start using it, you can't get it all out. Gets down in the micro cracks. Takes traces of whatever other chemicals you are using with it - amonia for instance. With various solvents and mixes being used, who knows what kinds of combinations and reactions are possible. Throw in some heat and high pressure just for added spice. The honcho at Lothar Walther said his company has researched this in depth and while he wouldn't point fingers at specific solvents, he made it clear that mixing Kroil (or other, similar penetrating agents) and regular bore solvents "could" be bad ju-ju.
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Jack Roberts
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posted February 03, 2003 09:30 PM
DAA
I have only used Kroil a little, so can't swear to the results. But for me, I have never seen anything kill accuracy like Kroil. A total disaster in my experience. The few times I used it, my group sizes doubled.
I did not see where it cleaned any either.
Jack
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