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Posted by Baldknobber (Member # 514) on January 15, 2013, 09:51 PM:
 
Just wanted to know if anyone out there had heard or used one of these and how the sounds compare with Foxpro. I have had good luck with my fx3, but thought of getting something new with different sounds. Just didn't know about the difference in sound quality of the speaker. Also didn't know about the quality of the recorded sounds. I use mainly coyote vocals for at least 75% of my hunting.
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on January 15, 2013, 10:06 PM:
 
Baldknobber,

Long time no see.

WT vs FoxPro huh... now there's a can of worms. lol

Krusty
 

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Posted by Baldknobber (Member # 514) on January 15, 2013, 10:10 PM:
 
Im not asking about the man who makes them, just the callers. lol
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 16, 2013, 12:31 AM:
 
Not sure if you have access to P.M, if so check out there call forum..
There are some guys that have and use both brands along with a few others and most agree that the WT has better sounds and the caller is more clearer when playing those sounds. The big issue is some want or need to have other sounds on there caller. Why I don't know for sure, perhaps brand "A" caller sounds are'nt the cats ass like some lead us to believe. The other issue is some guys want to have something to play with while on stand and waiting for a coyote to come in.. Yep! One brand does have a little screen to look at for a list of sounds to play, I don't see it being any different than looking at a cheet sheet on the back of a remote, either way you have to stop and look if not familuar with the sound list..

I've been useing WT's for my calling and can play most any sound without looking at the cheet sheet, its about like remembering phone numbers or your social security number,or the alphabet its not that difficult as some made lead you to believe...
Good sounds, good sound quality and a remote thats easey to work on a stand with no gel ups or freezeing.
If you decide later on you want more sounds its not that big of a deal, just pick out what you need and they will send you a new flash card, no need to send the caller in for this ..
Also if you have "your own" recorded sounds and want them on the WT they can do this for you as well.. Costomer service is good from what I have seen or heard. I've made a few up grades but have yet to send one of there callers in for repair.. I did break the back plastic cap on one of my TOA speakers, Fell of the hood of the truck going down the road with minus 15 temp.s, and I had no problem getting a replacement.. Just so you know the F-P CS uses the same plastic cap and it can also break if the caller is dropped...
If you think you need bells and whistles get a F-P, if you want it simple with great sounds get a WT...

Minaska is suppose to be comeing out with a good caller shortly, not as loud as A WT or F-P CS. but good enough for most types of calling and you can also load sounds onto it. I believe they are comeing out with a better remote as well but simular to a WT remote... Good luck....
 

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Posted by Baldknobber (Member # 514) on January 16, 2013, 06:34 AM:
 
Thanks TA.
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on January 16, 2013, 07:10 AM:
 
Baldknobber,
Just email me at snowcamoman@gmail.com and I can give you a call to discuss callers. I've used most of the FoxPro's and the WT's.

[ January 16, 2013, 07:10 AM: Message edited by: TundraWookie ]
 

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Posted by Baldknobber (Member # 514) on January 17, 2013, 05:41 AM:
 
Email sent Tundra Wookie. Whether I get a
foxpro CS-24 0r WT the thing I really hate to give up is the size of my fx3. Foxpro callers this size and shape are just so handy and easy to carry.They fit easily into a fanny pack and are easy to hide. I wont giveup my foxpro, just looking for something new to try. Thanks guys
 

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on January 19, 2013, 10:10 AM:
 
I really don't think you could go wrong with either of the E-callers you mentioned(CS-24 or Mighty Atom) Both models will call Coyotes,which one has better sounds? Depends on who you talk to and which ones they are using. lol

I think most of the success that is had with either of these callers has more to do with the experience of the Coyote hunter than the caller itself.

All things being equal,and If you setup correctly and use it properly there would be no real difference in the success you have with either one.IMO

I really think the ONLY problem with Foxpro is they have really saturated the market with E-Callers and you have ALOT of callers out there that are new to the sport and they don't understand the first thing about calling coyotes,and they're out there educating the hell out of them. Not the E-callers fault,it's the hunters fault....

Good Hunting Chad
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 19, 2013, 12:07 PM:
 

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I think most of the success that is had with either of these callers has more to do with the experience of the Coyote hunter than the caller itself

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ALOT of callers out there that are new to the sport and they don't understand the first thing about calling coyotes,and they're out there educating the hell out of them

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Does it chap you to know the WT sounds are so easily had now?

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I'm glad you gave the disclaimer "IMO", because I don't buy that bullshit at all.

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Chad just keep that in mind next time you have a coyote or more that refuses to come in to your stands..

I would like nothing more than to come out to your part of the country and prove you wrong, but you say you don't have many coyotes around so it would'nt be worth my time other than to just prove a point..
Just keep comeing up with a excuse as to why they won't come in...
 

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on January 19, 2013, 02:31 PM:
 
Tim,

Post's like your last one show how truly novice you really are when it comes to calling coyotes. lol

I NEVER said we didn't have good numbers of Coyotes here in Utah,just that they can be tough to call at times. I still manage to do quite well here compared to the vast majority of callers.So really you don't have a clue what you're talking about. In fact I got a Ben Franklin in my pocket that says I kill more coyotes in a given year than you do. But that's beside the point.

And second I didn't make excuses about anything!!!!

Good Hunting Chad
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on January 19, 2013, 02:44 PM:
 
Thanks for the info on how the quality of sounds works, you are truly a genius.

TArimmer,
Is it you're belief that the louder and clearer a sound is the better the chances to call a coyote?

Edit: Let's hear your insider info on all of these caller companies too. Please dazzle us with your knowledge.

[ January 19, 2013, 03:12 PM: Message edited by: TundraWookie ]
 

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Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on January 19, 2013, 03:56 PM:
 
If I were running a e-call manufacturing company and wanted some extra cash, I think I'd market some sort of bullshit "Secret Sound List." Quietly spread the word that this "List" is available, but not to everyone. Use the ploy of "Only sold to Professional Government Hunters and Guides." Charge $200 for 4 "secret sounds" and really play it up.

When the average Joe calls and begs to buy the list, occasionally sell them the sounds, but also deny a guy every so often. You gotta make them think the sounds really are special and for every 1 guy you piss off, 4 more will be feeling special because they got'em and will tell everyone how great they are, even if in reality they aren't anything special.

Hell, even a high school student with a C- in Economics class is smart enough to know that when people think anything is somehow special or limited they scramble to open their wallets.
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on January 19, 2013, 04:17 PM:
 
Lonny , you are diabolical.
Mark
 

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Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on January 19, 2013, 04:24 PM:
 
Mark, I threw out all the T-bone steak and salmon in my freezer to clear space for Hostess Twinkies and Ding Dongs...

$20 a box plus shipping. Just tell me how many you want, but the limit is two per customer. And if I don't like ya, they are not for sale!
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 19, 2013, 04:24 PM:
 

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Is it you're belief that the louder and clearer a sound is the better the chances to call a coyote?

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Bummer for the guys that spent huge sums of cash in the past to get the sounds.

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Post's like your last one show how truly novice you really are when it comes to calling coyotes.

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Was thinking the same about your posts..

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In fact I got a Ben Franklin in my pocket that says I kill more coyotes in a given year than you do.

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And second I didn't make excuses about anything!!!!

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Let's hear your insider info on all of these caller companies too

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Thought you already knew..

Lonny there are no secrete sounds, just good clear sounds that some don't happen to have...
Take Wookie he thinks he is special because he thinks he is the only one that has all the WT sounds. In reality he does'nt and happens to be missing a few good ones. LOL

[ January 19, 2013, 04:29 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on January 19, 2013, 04:37 PM:
 
Timmy boy, I'd wager a few Franklins that I have more WT vocals than you do. In fact, I'd go ALL IN and wager $1000 I have a bigger library of different WT coyote vocals than you do.

You'll have to send me your MA-21 SD card though to verify. I'll take a screenshot of your sounds with the total number and then put it side by side against mine. Whoever has more gets the Franklin's. What say ye? I understand if you come up with some pathetic excuse though like you don't trust me or you're afraid I'd keep your card or some other weak explanation. I'll pay for the shipping and insurance of your SD card and certified mail showing that it arrived and was signed by me. I won't send you my stuff though, since they're original open source files.

If you have more sounds, I'll happily say so here on this forum and send you the money.

We all know that you don't know TA, so don't be a proud and stubborn old man. Bring on the excuses though, I'm sure we'll hear it like before.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 19, 2013, 04:58 PM:
 
You may have more coyote vocals and you may not, and you also may not have some of the same as what I have. But hey just keep bragging you do..LOL

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I won't send you my stuff though, since they're original open source files.

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But you have the balls to think I will send mine..

No excuses, just is'nt going to happen... Ha ha ha....

Just a question: Where do you think all your WT sounds came from?????
 

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on January 19, 2013, 05:02 PM:
 
Man Tim I would love to see where I said that I couldn't get the Coyotes to come in. And that I am making excuses for not calling coyotes.

Then you get finished saying that you don't want to come out here and show me how to call because we don't have the numbers to make it worth your time,then your very next post you're saying that you don't have the numbers back where you live that we have here. Which one is it. lol
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on January 19, 2013, 05:07 PM:
 

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Take Wookie he thinks he is special because he thinks he is the only one that has all the WT sounds. In reality he does'nt and happens to be missing a few good ones.

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Lonny there are no secrete sounds, just good clear sounds that some don't happen to have...

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pathetic excuse though like you don't trust me
Its been proven, you can't be trusted..

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I won't send you my stuff though, since they're original open source files.
But you have the balls to think I will send mine..

No excuses, just is'nt going to happen... Ha ha ha....

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Just a question: Where do you think all your WT sounds came from?????

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That's for me to know and for you to never find out. I learned that type of tap dancing response from you....like it?

[ January 19, 2013, 05:09 PM: Message edited by: TundraWookie ]
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 19, 2013, 05:17 PM:
 

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Then you get finished saying that you don't want to come out here and show me how to call because we don't have the numbers to make it worth your time

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Just going by what you said some time back, is'nt that why you go out of state to call in the big numbers....

You may not know but our coyotes farther up north are much easier to call than the southern part of the state. Its far enough from home that I would have to get a hotel room, another exspense.. The numbers are a little better up north but if I'm going to spend the money I would rather go to S.D since they have way more coyotes to play with..More bang for the buck!

Same can be said for where you live, I'm not going to go all that way just for a few coyotes and to prove a point. But hey if I happen to be out that way again I'll let you know but at the moument Wyoming is on my bucket list....
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 19, 2013, 05:27 PM:
 

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Your sounds are not open source and do me no good. You'd probably keep copies of mine and get a FoxPro to play them on.

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Your sounds are not open source and do me no good. You'd probably keep copies of mine and get a FoxPro to play them on.
And how do you know that if you have never seen them??? LOL

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I'll be sure to show you a pic of the first F-P I ever get just as the sledge hammer comes down on it...
There are a few stores close by that sell them, I just walk on by and keep smileing..ha ha ha

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The answer to the question of where do WT sounds come from was actually a simple question with a simple answer.. They come from WT..Bill has all of them and many many more of them that you don't have.. ha ha ha

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Why is it that you have such a hatred for a tool that will only help you call and kill more animals?

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Odd how WT has so many sounds yet has not added anything new in such a long time to their list on the website.

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And what, you think they do need to add more sounds.. Just shows what little you know about the sounds you have.. Learn to use them and you won't need more..
F-P case they just need to catch up with actual live sounds, they are getting ther though, but so so slowly..
If F-P would put more money into collecting animal sounds vrs. comeing out with a new caller every month, then perhaps they would have something, but not in my life time..

Edit to add::If your not killing a coyote with just a hand full of sounds on the 1 st. or second attempt then in most cases you never will kill it..

[ January 19, 2013, 05:58 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
 

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Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on January 19, 2013, 06:19 PM:
 
Tim says:
Its been proven, you can't be trusted..

LO fucking L......... . hey Krusty, you listening??.
edited too add. never did get those 30 golds you PROMISED to send??

[ January 19, 2013, 06:26 PM: Message edited by: the bearhunter ]
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on January 19, 2013, 06:25 PM:
 

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Simple answer. Cause it won't.. Thats just a F-P sales pitch for suckers..

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Just shows what little you know about the sounds you have.. Learn to use them and you won't need more..

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If F-P would put more money into collecting animal sounds vrs. comeing out with a new caller every month, then perhaps they would have something

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, but not in my life time..

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Edit to add::If your not killing a coyote with just a hand full of sounds on the 1 st. or second attempt then in most cases you never will kill it..

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You must be doing something wrong or using the wrong sounds tIm if you can't get them in on the first go around.

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I'm not haveing any problems getting it done thats whay I don't need a F-P or a caller I can load other sounds onto.. Hell I don't even need a decoy or a decoy dog or even some of TT's coyote lure..

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while FoxPro has added exponentially more to their library.

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edited too add. never did get those 30 golds you PROMISED to send??

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Anyone else wonder why Tim has all day long, a Saturday in January no less, to argue on the internet instead of calling and killing coyotes?

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P.S. To save Tim the time and trouble of asking... I don't have a hunting license, or any guns here.

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And do you think it would make a difference..
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on January 19, 2013, 07:22 PM:
 

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Hell I don't even need a decoy or a decoy dog or even some of TT's coyote lure..

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Take Wookie he thinks he is special because he thinks he is the only one that has all the WT sounds. In reality he does'nt and happens to be missing a few good ones.
Which one's do you think I'm missing TA?

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Again I ask Timmy, which sounds don't some have?

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Not telling.
Perhaps you'll find out sooner or later, most likely later...Ha ha..
Its really a shame you and Bill don't get along, but then again who can afford to have someone onboard that steals from the company...

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Yeah, I figured you'd wimp out and not have a response. Typical of how you operate. You flap your trap and then cannot man up when the time comes for it. I honestly pray that your kids never get to read anything you write online.

Oh, I've paid for all my WT's Timothy. I got decent deals on most of the old one's too. No need to steal anything when simple hard earned cash can get it, right?

Make sure you get to sleep early tim. Elderly people need to stay well rested. Especially those who didn't get the Flu shot like yourself.

[ January 19, 2013, 07:52 PM: Message edited by: TundraWookie ]
 

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on January 19, 2013, 09:44 PM:
 
Maybe I'm not giving the WT caller enough credit,it must be an exceptional caller if even Tim can call coyotes with it.....
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 19, 2013, 09:47 PM:
 
Was'nt talking about stealing sounds. You'll figure it out as to what i was refering to..

Oh by the way i'm not as old as you think''

Krusty I actually did get out for a few hours today makeing a few draw stations. You know what they are and what they are used for, correct????
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on January 19, 2013, 11:03 PM:
 
You've been ridden pretty hard then if you're as young as you say.

You've proven by your lack of response that you really are a clueless old man.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 20, 2013, 12:47 AM:
 
I'm younger than AR-shaw if thats any consolation.
Actually when I'm all cleaned up(shave, hair-cut) I look much younger than what I am. But hey your turn is comeing as far as getting old goes, and thats something you have no control over compared to calling coyotes...Oh just a warning lay off eating the salmon or your joints are going to go quicker than you would like...
I walked little over 4 miles the other day with copper and a couple miles the day before so I think i'm doing ok for middle aged..

My lack of response proves nothing, other than I'm not giveing you the answers you seek.. Have to wait..
 

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Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on January 20, 2013, 08:24 AM:
 
Draw stations....

Must be for when you have an inferior caller and sounds and can't call anything in.

Same with truck hunting, coyote drives, and chasing them with dogs...
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on January 20, 2013, 09:01 AM:
 
Cal,

I could always count on you, and Tim Behle, to tell it how it is. Thanks again.

Krusty
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 20, 2013, 11:56 AM:
 

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Must be for when you have an inferior caller and sounds and can't call anything in.

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Is that the reason why you have to use a plane or choper, or set out snares and traps,or use a decoy dog you can't call them all in unless there virgins..

Only use one dog Cal that I trained myself with out any outside help or use of another dog that has already been trained..

As you know they are just tools or other ways of getting them. Right!

The draw station brings coyotes in from other areas and keeps some of them close by after they have eaten and provide work for the "dog"...

Not sure where the truck hunting fits in, is that what the state trappers use to get them now days. Its not very productive IMO...

Sure we use trucks here to get around with just like everybody else, is'nt that what you use Cal to haul your traps around in or get out into a area to call, or do you still walk to work from your house..

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on January 20, 2013, 12:09 PM:
 
TA:Is that the reason why you have to use a plane or choper, or set out snares and traps,or use a decoy dog you can't call them all in unless there virgins..

Just when I think it isn't possible for Tim to stick his head any further up his ASS,he surprises me and it ends up a foot deeper. lol

Good Hunting Chad
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on January 20, 2013, 01:10 PM:
 
Timothy is the only guy who is an island completely
unto himself. Ain't nobody gonna teach him anything!
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 20, 2013, 01:16 PM:
 
They are just coyotes, creatures of habit and till you figure it out just keep reading the boards....
Maybe from time to time someone will toss out a gold nuget or two and you can have them, my pale is full..
Maybe also spend a little time hunting them rather than calling, there is alot there you could learn from them...

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Posted by Baldknobber (Member # 514) on January 20, 2013, 01:52 PM:
 
By Gawd, you guys are worse than a bunch of damned old women.
 

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Posted by trapper2 (Member # 3651) on January 20, 2013, 08:26 PM:
 
dang tim your story is changing, i remember when you pm'ed me and told me i should find a govt trapper to ride with, you said they would teach me something, now your running cal down for they tools he uses, make up your mind
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 20, 2013, 08:44 PM:
 
Story has'nt changed trapper, you still need help.. Speaking of storyies was'nt there one going around about you killing big cats without a permitt or something like that..

Was'nt running Cal down on what tools he uses, it was him running off at the mouth about the tools I use and some stupid shit he made up along with it.. Never figured a ADC man would bring up ethics on whats right or wrong about killing coyotes. Must be getting soft..
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 21, 2013, 05:02 AM:
 
Ok.......I've about had it with this F/P - W/T pissing contest. The fact is that they're both second rate. The truth is that the greatest caller ever made was the Johnny Stewart 512. Millions of coyote, fox, bobcat & other critters have been called in with this fine unit. It was so effective that (the story I heard) Game & Fish Depts. started to pressure Gerald Stewart to discontinue the model in the interest of maintaining predator / prey balances. Gerald, being a man of honor refused to go along and government pressure was applied until the company was finally sold. Sadly, the 512 is no longer made.
However.....all is not lost. I just happen to have a couple of 512s and just to show you guys that I really care, I would consider selling them to you for a couple of hundred bucks apiece. (Shipping extra).
But WAIT!!! I'll even include most of the formula for the soon to be marketed "Kokopelli's Predator Confidence Lure, Sex Wax, & Gun Cleaning Lube" at no extra charge!!!!!!
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 21, 2013, 06:28 AM:
 
Baldnobber, anytime the discussion is ecallers, it's like this regardless of the Board. It's just one of those hot button topics. LB
 

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Posted by Baldknobber (Member # 514) on January 21, 2013, 07:05 AM:
 
Predator Confidence Lure, Sex Wax and Gun Cleaner....Kokopelli you are soon to be a wealthy man, and in my opinion a fucking genius.
 

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Posted by trapper2 (Member # 3651) on January 21, 2013, 10:30 AM:
 
tim, how would you know if i need help or not? i guess i missed that story, do we need permits now? believe me if i had killed a big cat everyone would get to hear about it, you are going to have to dream up something better then that
 

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Posted by Bill Martz (Member # 378) on January 21, 2013, 07:09 PM:
 
TundraWelfareWookie

"Oh, I've paid for all my WT's Timothy. I got decent deals on most of the old one's too.No need to steal anything when simple HARD EARNED cash can get it, right?"

Only one problem with that statement.Without state or federal tax money you wouldn't earn enough money to feed yourself.But alas, disavantaged people like yourself consider it a right to do nothing for the benefits they receive. I think you should take your wimpy ass back into your ice hut with some booze and reconsider your station in life.
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on January 21, 2013, 07:17 PM:
 
Look what crawled out from under a slimy rock. So
Martz when are you going to put up your ma-21 vs. Krakatoa comparison? I understand if you don't though....hate to eat crow again huh?

Still looking for that white tail jackrabbit you advertise but nobody has. Or did it just get released today?
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 21, 2013, 07:42 PM:
 

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Better look again. Its been right there on the sound list for some time.. What! You don't have it, and you said you had them all..
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on January 21, 2013, 07:46 PM:
 
That soundlists a joke Timmy. Type when your brain is engaged....which likely means never. You don't need to jump in here talking to impress your hero martzy. He already knows you''ll gobble down on anything he spews.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 21, 2013, 10:10 PM:
 
I don't know about that.. As you know I've been around a few ADC guys and a few real good coyote callers and Bill seems to be on the same page as them with most things reguarding coyotes. Maybe you should have your head checked..
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on January 21, 2013, 10:22 PM:
 
You have been around them and they avoid you like the plague. I wonder why that is timothy? If you can't figure it out you never will. Keep up the good work with copper though, thats likely your only non-make believe friend.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 21, 2013, 11:30 PM:
 
Yep good friends are hard to come by..
Had one friend that I thought was a pretty decent guy, was pretty knowledgeable about coyotes and also had the same interests. Found that some of the locals did'nt like him but did'nt give it a second thought at the time as to why or really cared... Turns out this friend has a big ego, bigger than mine and believed it more important to protect it than to have a friend.. No big whoop.. Then I find out this friend of mine is only a friend to get ammo from me to use against another co-worker to try to get him fired that I was friends with also at the time.. Still friends with one of them and the other we still talk or say hey or I may get invited over to his garage parties but we are no longer close friends.
So if I pick up a friend from time to time great if not no worries from me as I do most of my calling by myself which I like better anyway..
The other thing with some friends is if you happen to not get along with one of there friends you try to put up with them as long as you can so you can keep a friendship, but some times that is'nt possable and then a fight breaks out.. The friend could just stay out of it and keep being a friend with both or take a side and loose a friend in turn. Most tend to choose a side.. No big whoop...

You may not realize it but I do have more friends than you may lead others to believe and I don't exspect them to jump in on a stupid internet spat just to prove they are a true friend.. I"m still standing and I run from no-one
no matter who has the upper hand at the time and I don't need any help... Yeah this stupid shit goes on most everyday and at times may make me look bad but it also makes the opposing look just as bad, no-one actually wins anyway... Good day..
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on January 22, 2013, 08:16 AM:
 

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And that right there speaks volumes about the proud, stubborn person you are. You should learn to bow out when you don't know what you're talking about or simply be quiet.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 22, 2013, 11:35 AM:
 
Curious, I had to see the last time Bill Martz posted. It was late 2009.

We already know he doesn't post anywhere else, so his economy of verbage is practically unrivaled, on the Internet.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 22, 2013, 02:36 PM:
 
Baldnobber;
Thank you for the kind words. Remember, I'm here to help!!!
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on January 22, 2013, 04:07 PM:
 
If you go with a WT, make sure you get the "good" sounds and not the shortened versions. There are many sounds that have seen various renditions over the years from rabbits to coyotes. Some of the coyotes have even miraculously changed gender and ages. Young female and adult single male beginning with the exact same howl? Female western territorial and adult single male howls that are exactly the same? Did WT go back out and re-sex and age these dogs? 

For example, here are three different renditions of the same coyote on three of my different callers.  

The sound that you hear coming from your WT is "EXACTLY" the way the animal produced that sound. Sure it is!
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 22, 2013, 04:40 PM:
 
So the sound was lenthened or shortened to make it sound like a younger or older or male or female coyote. Or it appears that way to cut out sounds from the back ground or what not when recording..
If you've spent a little time calling coyotes you would know that sometimes all you need to do is change part of a sound to make it different to get a animal to respond or get more or less feeling of hurt out of a sound..
Its nothing new and not done by just one E-call manufacture, its part of the edit process...
Coyotes make more than just yips and barks or howls or even chirps, and some howls have different lenght to them and a different meaning as well.. No two coyotes sound the same also...
Long howl, short howl, long or short howl with a bark or barks at the beginning or later on is just part of the coyotes vocalization...
The coyote vocals are actual recordings and some may have been change to create a different type of response or for the sound to carry better... Call 49 and bring the cuffs, Bill altered some of his sounds.. LMAO....

Edit to add. Take a look at another E-call maker that used handcall sounds and marketed them as live..

[ January 22, 2013, 05:10 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
 

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Posted by Baldknobber (Member # 514) on January 22, 2013, 05:03 PM:
 
Kokopelli, I may be an idiot in search of a village but I know brilliance when it bites me on the ass.......really hard that is!
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on January 22, 2013, 05:27 PM:
 

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I"m still standing and I run from no-one
no matter who has the upper hand at the time and I don't need any help...
And that right there speaks volumes about the proud, stubborn person you are. You should learn to bow out when you don't know what you're talking about or simply be quiet.

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"Kokopelli's Predator Confidence Lure, Sex Wax, & Gun Cleaning Lube"

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As good as it probably is; it is not koko magic mist!

Good hunting. Lima Brav 0
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 22, 2013, 09:35 PM:
 
Well they now came out with fox grip and will soon be comeing out with these features soon..
FoxTrack--Now available on select calls. The call is set up with a 5 megapixel camera to take a picture of a predator footprint. The call then provides a readout of the animal's species and approximate weight.

FoxScat--Now available on select calls. The call is set up with a small "lab". Simply insert a piece of predator dung into the call's chemical sensing compartment. The call then provides a readout of the animal's species, gender, approximate weight, and what it's eaten for dinner the last three days.



[ January 22, 2013, 09:36 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 22, 2013, 09:51 PM:
 
El Bee;
You are correct, sir. Kokopelli's Cover Scent, Boot Dressing & Hair Restorer is an entirely different product that is still in the testing phase. It consists of seven secret herbs & urines, collected at great personal risk both physical and mental.
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on January 22, 2013, 11:34 PM:
 
Timmy,
Those are both excellent ideas. I wonder if FoxPro
could sell one to martz? Since it appears as though getting the correct gender, age, and species has proven to be difficult.

Koko,
Do your products work in the cold and how
much for a case of it?
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 23, 2013, 01:12 AM:
 

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Since it appears as though getting the correct gender, age, and species has proven to be difficult.

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So what are you saying? You can tell the difference if its a female or male coyote???
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on January 23, 2013, 08:02 AM:
 
I can tell you that WT surely doesn't Timmy.

As of mid 2008, WT claimed they knew more about wildlife communication than any other company or organization in the field. It's pretty hilarious to know that with that much experience they couldn't get the animal ID'd correctly. That statement has since been removed from their website....hmmmmm...I wonder why that is? Smoke and mirrors Timmy, smoke and mirrors.

Don't even try to go pointing fingers at the other companies out there unless you have some proof of the claims. Show me the claims they make about things and we can deal with those on a case by case basis. If a company was using mouth calls and saying that they were live recordings, show it to me. If you cannot, then just bow out of the discussion.


 

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Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on January 23, 2013, 08:56 AM:
 
One credit I will give WT calls and Bill Martz is they sure do make the discussion lively. As I recall from a thread several years ago, Bill was going to kick Tundrawookie's arse.
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on January 23, 2013, 09:18 AM:
 
Ain't that customer service at its finest!

Lively is always on the menu for a good ol' WT discussion. It's like a good mystery...lies, deceit, and the New Hampshire weasel in his chemistry lab.
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 23, 2013, 10:02 AM:
 
TundraDude;
Since two of the secret ingredients are cheap vodka and smoked jalapeno peppers I wouldn't know why it wouldn't work in the cold. However, I suspect that what I consider cold and what you consider cold are likely two entirely different animals.
As far as cost goes, this stuff is gonna be expensive. I want to get rich as soon as possible and be involved in a scandal with groupies.
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on January 23, 2013, 10:13 AM:
 
KoKo-Scents,
From the sounds of it, your magical Boot Batter could be used for a fourth necessity. Molotov Cocktails on packs of coyotes or wolves. If you want the scandal, just send a case to Minnesota. It's almost certain the the pushers, bumpers, blockers, trackers, and groupees in the TA Bump and Blast annual coyote slam will drink it all before the hunt begins. Getting rich on the elixir though....anything is possible.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 23, 2013, 10:47 AM:
 
I know, for a fact, he is feeding the antidote to all the coyotes in eastern Arizona but the shelf life is about the same as sour milk. Don't waste your money, he will break your heart, wooky. There's a CW song title in there, somewhere?

Good hunting. LB

edit: koko scents? I GOT IT! How about KOKO PUFFS? How original.

[ January 23, 2013, 10:49 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 23, 2013, 03:06 PM:
 
You guys crack me up!!!!
It's in the low 70s today.
I'm going outside to teach my dog some new bad habits.
 

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Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on January 31, 2013, 07:48 PM:
 
Baldnobber, I have used a WT for many years now, IMO they have the best sounds I have heard and or used in the field.

The MA21 has everything you will ever need to call in Wildlife of all sorts.

If you choose to get one and need some soung suggestions let me know.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 31, 2013, 10:11 PM:
 
Here is a little tid-bit I got from another site and comes from a good source on the subject of 16-bit vrs 24 bit sounds..

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 11:38 AM

Bit-depth is just one small number in a really big equation. No one who does what we do can hear the difference between a 16 and 24-bit sound. That requires perfect ears and a $30,000+ sound system. And even then, the difference is so small that almost no one can tell the difference between a 16/44 and 24/96. All these iDevices the kids are so fond of are 128KBps MP3 files.

The only advantage to 24-bit is overhead for editing, and without a codec, they can't be edited. It's an advertising gimmick.

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on January 31, 2013, 10:34 PM:
 
16 Bit will work just fine for ya Tim, especially if you're just herding the Coyotes with the Crew anyway. And if you cripple one with one of those 500 yard plus .17 caliber shots that MA21 is heavy enough that you could bash it in the head to kill it. lol

Good Hunting Chad
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 31, 2013, 11:03 PM:
 
Its built strong enough.. If its ok with you I'll just let them bleed out....
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on February 01, 2013, 12:20 AM:
 
Don't worry about the playback of the WT it's just 16bit. Why do you even bring up the playback abilities? Are you jealous that a bunch of other companies are doing what WT tries to imply what their caller does?

Baldknobber.....my offer to use my WT is still there if you want. Just holler and you can decide for yourself then.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 01, 2013, 01:37 AM:
 
Nope just pointing out some facts.
24 bit sound is no better than 16 bit and its just a marketing gimic by you know who..

They also advertise there product to be tested to -40, but they forgot to add that it does'nt work unless you add some heat packs to the remote or change batteries often.. People are haveing problems with there products even at +20 temp.s... Hmmmmm
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on February 01, 2013, 06:30 AM:
 
Can't believe I'm gonna wade into this but...

Timmy let's not forget who started the 24 bit marketing gimmick, WT claimed they used it and it was leaving everyone else behind.

E-callers have come a long way but I still called a ton of critters with my JS512, bad distortion and all. The caller is just a tool, knowing how to use it is worth more than the tool itself.
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on February 01, 2013, 07:23 AM:
 
Timmy isn't very good at History either Tom, so I wouldn't sweat it too much. The sad thing is that Timmy's little excerpt he pulled references 16/44 (CD Quality). The WT's that I have seen, including the MA-21's don't even play those. They're playing 16/32 files. But then again, when did Facts ever get in the way of Timmy starting to stir up the pot? Go back to herding coyotes and digging ditches TA.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 01, 2013, 11:11 AM:
 
Well, I'm with Tom. I have had occasion to comment before, that I go back way beyond the 512 Johnny Stewart. I used a Motorola 8 track tape deck for years, and thought it was the cats ass. You guys might not know the problems. It always helped to shake the damned cartridge every once in a while or it would wind itself tight and lock up. I was just using 5" speakers and I know the sound quality was lousy. Also, we didn't have 500 sounds, and what we did have were rerecorded so we could take them apart and cut out the silver splice that changed tracks so that it would play one sound continuously.

I won't even go to the cassette technology but my point is, we never had studio sound quality and I can assure you folks, we called and killed a lot of animals, back in the day. With primitive sound equipment. That's why I listen to this 69 bit bullshit and kinda laugh.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on February 01, 2013, 01:19 PM:
 
We all know it really doesn't make much of a difference if it's a low quality vinyl or a 32 bit LED smart wazoo widget. Shoot, if everybody is using a 32 bit widget and learning up those coyotes, why wouldn't they be more interested in a low quality, scratchy 8 track? It's a marketing gimmick and WT is good at trying to sell snake oil. Like I've challenged Timmy to before. Show the claims that other companies are making about their callers and we can work on addressing those issues. He has yet to produce the claims.
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 01, 2013, 03:35 PM:
 
I'll toss this out for what it's worth;
Like Leonard, I have a couple of callers that are somewhat less than `Studio Quality Sound`. One of them is even homemade from a Sony WalkMan and Radio Shack components. They all work.

The question is, will better sound quality (to our ears) call in more coyotes???
The answer is, nobody knows for sure. Too many variables. A wise man once said that only the yippers know for sure and they aren't talking.

So..........to my way of thinking, the real value of the high quality / high dollar caller is the fact that it gives the caller more confidence on the stand, resulting in better stand discipline and (possibly) more success over time.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 01, 2013, 04:00 PM:
 
Do you think that the coyotes that have responded to a poor sound may have been responding more out of curiosity than hunger??
If so, do you think this maybe why some coyotes turn tail and run when hearing a poor grade sound or they stop short of a stand and refuse to come any farther????

Everyone has there favorite sound they like to use because it has worked for them so often, could the reason be its a better recorded sound or just a good sound to spark there interest..
You talk with some guys that say there favorite sound works most times but they still come across some coyotes that take no interest in it, then some think perhaps they were'nt hungry or call shy.. Could be the sound did'nt trip there hunger trigger or create a terr. response...
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 01, 2013, 04:42 PM:
 
I think that's mostly bullshit. No sound is 100% on any given day. I remember one time, (just an example) where we couldn't buy a response. This is with just about every card in the deck. Then I tried baby javalina distress. That weekend, that was the answer. Whether it was because they never heard it, or the recording was higher quality, who knows?

Just suggesting that the key to success is studio quality sound kinda bugs the shit out of me. Where do you come up with coyotes that run off from lower quality sound? Who told you that? It's the same with the guys that speculate about coyotes that are called but not seen; which can happen in heavy cover, especially if you don't have a clear view downwind.

I just think the whole argument about sound quality is stupid. These animals will sometimes come in to squeaky brakes, and I have witnessed the worst handcallers in the country call in coyotes, there is no secret to it.

And, what about hand calls, both closed and open reed? They seem to work, but if you subjected the sound to a laboratory analysis, it wouldn't have the characteristics of an actual recording....of any quality. The decibels and frequencies wouldn't be anywhere near the same.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 01, 2013, 04:57 PM:
 
Tim;
Opinions are like elbo's; everybody's entitled to a couple of them.
Here's one of mine;
Assuming proper stand set-up, far more coyotes have hung up due to excessive volume than have due to `poor` sound quality.

YMMV
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on February 01, 2013, 05:09 PM:
 
I remember back in the day, I found I called more critters with the speaker out at 75' with the volume just loud enough that I could hear it and I could hear pretty well back then.

Now everyone wants to broadcast the sound into the next county.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 01, 2013, 05:36 PM:
 

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These animals will sometimes come in to squeaky brakes, and I have witnessed the worst handcallers in the country call in coyotes, there is no secret to it.

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Just suggesting that the key to success is studio quality sound kinda bugs the shit out of me.

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We all know it really doesn't make much of a difference if it's a low quality vinyl or a 32 bit LED smart wazoo widget. Shoot, if everybody is using a 32 bit widget and learning up those coyotes, why wouldn't they be more interested in a low quality, scratchy 8 track? It's a marketing gimmick and WT is good at trying to sell snake oil.

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Yes they do sell 24bit sounds and why not? Technology is there why not use it since we don't know if it makes a difference or not?

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As for how the sound plays or quality, 24 bit does'nt make a difference, its a sales gimic!

F-P was'nt smart enough to figure it out so they spent there time and money trying to disprove that someone else had it but never bothered to check to see if it actually made any difference or improvement.. "It does not" and I bet Bill was laughing his ass off the whole time while F-P was pizzing there money away.. Of course they may have gotten that back from those that wanted 24 bit sounds.. sucker born every minute...

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[ February 01, 2013, 06:47 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
 

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Posted by Baldknobber (Member # 514) on February 01, 2013, 07:22 PM:
 
Thank you Randy for offering to help me with sound selection.

Thanks to you Tundra for the offer as well.

TB

[ February 01, 2013, 07:23 PM: Message edited by: Baldknobber ]
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on February 01, 2013, 08:50 PM:
 
Ya Tim, I'm sure he was laffin when it was brought out he was selling something that wasn't. Always good for business.

Fact is, some of my best sounds are 24 bit and as long as they continue to work, that's all that matters.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 02, 2013, 12:12 AM:
 
Tom no doubt they do have some good 24 bit sounds but its not because they are 24 bit.
Better recording, better editing ( less back ground noise or none) is what makes them better and I agree they do work well enough for general calling..
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on February 02, 2013, 12:33 AM:
 
Tim...You seem to overlook the fact that WT is making false claims yet you're defending their b.s.. You whine or copy paste some tidbit yet you cannot show where other companies are stating false claims. It must suck to be that jealous and proud Tim.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 02, 2013, 09:03 AM:
 
No Jealousy here, just hate blood suckers takeing every penny they can from the not knowing....

Look in any hunting rag dated 2001 with a F-P add.

Quote: "the FoxPRO callers pack more power and performance than other callers that weigh more than 5 times as much"

Its already been proven they don't and was a lie for that time frame as the WT TOA caller being the loudest and haveing the best sounds.

Then they also made the claim there "callers were tested to -40", (just one caller)and did'nt tell the consumer that they failed at those temp.s, but was all aired out on most forums and even you admitted to it as well..

[ February 02, 2013, 09:18 AM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
 

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Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on February 02, 2013, 09:08 AM:
 

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Tim, let me add,...on any given day, there may be several coyotes that won't respond to any sound, no matter the brand name on the caller.
The way you talk on here sometimes leads many to beleive that there's not a coyote you can't call with the almighty WT, BUT at least you have finally admitted that no matter what, there are coyotes that WON'T and DON'T come NO MATTER the sound quality, or lack there of.
Tim have you never had a coyote that you could see while calling, that wouldn't come to the call?
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 02, 2013, 09:14 AM:
 
For me, only tens of thousands, roughly. WAG.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on February 02, 2013, 09:18 AM:
 
So Timmy, you just don't like the fact that companies keep improving their products? You do realize that we still live in a country that allows us to make our own e-call decisions don't you? Maybe you should go back to herding coyotes with cavemen in loin cloths with spears.

Edit.
Timothy provide current information and then make your argument. Going back 12 years is really grasping for something. You show where currently companies are making false claims. Look at the WT stuff too while you're at it so that you're not being biased.

[ February 02, 2013, 09:23 AM: Message edited by: TundraWookie ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 02, 2013, 09:23 AM:
 
!, That's where I've seen him before! Quest For Fire!
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 02, 2013, 09:31 AM:
 

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Tim have you never had a coyote that you could see while calling, that wouldn't come to the call?

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So Timmy, you just don't like the fact that companies keep improving their products?

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Going back 12 years is really grasping for something.

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Same canbe said about you...

Just pointing out what F-P claimed back then which is the same time frame as the WT 2030..
F-P and its users all claimed the caller back then was just as good and loud as a WT and we found this to be untrue and was also proven...

Now the claim is made the F-P TOA caller is louder than a 2030. Both are the same TOA speaker...
 

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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on February 02, 2013, 09:58 AM:
 
I read all this crap Tim keeps pumping out, and I want to go throw up. I'll bet he can't post a judgment against Foxpro for fraudulent business practices. I can post one against the unmentionable one anytime.
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on February 02, 2013, 10:07 AM:
 
You can't find anything can you Timmy? Use your CSI internet skills and find something relevant.
 

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Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on February 02, 2013, 04:38 PM:
 
only thing that I've learned from this thread is that coyotes in S. Dak. are all easy to call. Probably could use the scratchest rough sounding 8 track player to call those coyotes. and if ya don't kill'em today, go back tomorrow and they're sure to come running to the call again. And in Minn., the coyotes are dang near uncallable even to the best sounds that all come on a WT ......must be one of those east versus west scenarios going on or some thin'
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on February 02, 2013, 05:19 PM:
 
TRnCO
I'm sure that Mr. CSI Coyote will further explain how
you're interpreting him wrong. Lets sit back and wait to be floored by the brilliance. I also hope he'll expand on his vast knowledge of internet surfing abilities to augment his case.

[ February 02, 2013, 05:21 PM: Message edited by: TundraWookie ]
 

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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on February 02, 2013, 09:02 PM:
 
TRNCO,

Timmy never could call coyotes in Meanasotee either. Not all South Dakota coyotes are easy to call either, but Timmy has permission on land where blind coyotes live. I know they must be blind since they come in when Timmy is waving the W.T. over his head like a Ninny. LOL
 

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Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on February 02, 2013, 09:17 PM:
 
Back in the day, Higgins challenged the FP crew to a calling contest, didn't he? Seems like there was even some cash involved. I don't think he got any takers. Why don't you try that, Tim? Don't try to stack the deck by making it on your turf where you claim to be able to move coyotes like cattle though. Put your money where your mouth is, and unlike Higgins, I bet you'll get a few takers.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 02, 2013, 09:25 PM:
 
Jimmy I made the same offer to Higgins and Scott, have'nt seen either one show up yet.. Must of got caught in traffic...

Oh by the way if you need any help teaching your dog to track wounded coyotes just drop me a P.M., would be more than happy to help.. Its not that hard to teach...

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Jimmy I made the same offer to Higgins and Scott, have'nt seen either one show up yet.. Must of got caught in traffic...

Oh by the way if you need any help teaching your dog to track wounded coyotes just drop me a P.M., would be more than happy to help.. Its not that hard to teach...

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 02, 2013, 11:53 PM:
 

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Just because WT's don't have any user friendly features doesn't mean you have to be jealous of the FoxPro crowd. Do you actually like having to take 14AA batteries out of the green trash can design to charge?

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How hard is it to just push one or two buttons. (WTF)
How hard is it to just remove them and put back in. Whats the deal you missing a few fingeres or something ??? Nothing to be jealous about as they don't have any features I would want or need..

I could see some of the kids wanting some of that crap, but the adults too!!

You'd think after a guy has bought one or two of the F-P they would relize there is'nt any holy grail or silver bullets..

[ February 02, 2013, 11:59 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on February 03, 2013, 12:13 AM:
 
Get this Timmy. One button gets the sound I want AND the volume. Let me see your precious WTF do that. It doesn't!
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 03, 2013, 12:31 AM:
 
Like I said how hard is it to push a few buttons..

Can any F-P owner honestly tell me that all the features a F-P has on it has helped them kill more coyotes because of it.. And if more how many? 30, 50, a 100???

If the answer is yes it just tells me they are lacking in there calling skills and stand set-ups and nothing more...
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on February 03, 2013, 12:54 AM:
 
At -30 and colder trying to mash FAV then a number then the volume is a serious pain. I guess that's why you just use two volume levels. My FP CS-24 has killed twenty times as many animals as the WT's have. You haven't even given a new FoxPro an honest effort in the field Timmy so you don't know what you're talking about. Until you buy or borrow and use one, you should just bow out....again.

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What kind of options does WT offer? How much blood do they suck to get those options? Come on Timmy...you're the WT salesman. Let's hear the list of options just for grins. You're response will probably be along the lines of...."the WT doesn't need anything else"....But humor us and lets hear how
pimped out they'll make one.

[ February 03, 2013, 01:02 AM: Message edited by: TundraWookie ]
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 03, 2013, 02:00 AM:
 
Why would they want to pimp one, so its easier on your girlish hands.
You keep bringing up the -30, don't you realize the majority of callers live in the lower 48 and don't see those temp.s, it would be stupid for a call maker to make special callers for just a handfull. And you still forget to mention that the remotes failed in those temp.s like they have in the lower 48 at much higher temp.s...
I've called in -15 temps. and my remote kept working without haveing to do any mod.s to it, so no reason to make any changes there....
 

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Posted by DiYi (Member # 3785) on February 03, 2013, 08:08 AM:
 
Used my WT in minus 20 the other day.If kept in my pocket,remote works fine-actually no different than my foxpro remote which 'slows down' as well.
My WT remote(s)have never had the 'range' of my Foxpro remotes though.
As to sounds,both have more than plenty good ones with opposing 'camps'(read fan boys)stealing from each other.
Even with FPs 'new' sounds,I prefer WT coyote sounds but overall prefer FPs range of pure distress sounds.In both categories though,IMO both have adequate sounds for ones needs.
To paraphrase Randy R from a couple pages back,you can call all the game you need with either if you have the knowledge.
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on February 03, 2013, 09:28 AM:
 
Timmy the salesman. Not sure where you're reading my FPS remotes have failed. Provide the backup for that. If you think failure is the screen slowing down, then you've misinterpreted it. It's very simple here Timmy. My fp does simply better than the WT as is straight out of the box as it arrived. At least you couldn't provide any WT upgrade prices Timmy. What's a lanyard attachment cost? Don't say you had to modify it or wild bill will be mad at you for changing "perfection".....hahaha

[ February 03, 2013, 09:40 AM: Message edited by: TundraWookie ]
 

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Posted by Frank (Member # 6) on February 03, 2013, 09:27 PM:
 
Get yourself a rabbit.

Start your recording system and then squeeze the hell out of the rabbit.

Take said sounds and load on either caller.

You'll have success with both

Guaranteed.

When the call manufacturers start advertising their sounds were derived from real animals instead of hand calls, well, THEN you might (might is the operative word) have an advantage. Wonder how long before they catch up to this line of thinking?

[ February 03, 2013, 09:31 PM: Message edited by: Frank ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 03, 2013, 10:11 PM:
 
You must be kidding, Frank. Some use everything up to and including an electric probe up the ass. At least, that's what I heard.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on February 04, 2013, 07:40 AM:
 
Like I said how hard is it to push a few buttons..

Can any F-P owner honestly tell me that all the features a F-P has on it has helped them kill more coyotes because of it.. And if more how many? 30, 50, a 100???

If the answer is yes it just tells me they are lacking in there calling skills and stand set-ups and nothing more...

Tim - foxbang is a good one. Don't know how many of the 90 coyotes I called and shot since Oct 1st were due to this feature, but enough.
This year, twice I called 5 in together on stand and got a bullet into each of them.

It might not work for you, but I am pretty sure you and I do not setup and call the same way.

Continue on guys.
Kelly
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 04, 2013, 08:21 AM:
 
>Twice I called in 5 & got a bullet into each of them<

Without trying to sound like a fawning leg-humper, that's pretty damn impressive!!!!

Are you soaking your cigars in coyote urine for a cover scent????
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 04, 2013, 08:51 AM:
 
I think we're losing sight of the real value of a remotely controlled e-caller, fueled in part by Tim's refusal to use one in the way it was intended (e.g. Bucket-head).

To me, the greatest value of an e-caller, is to have the calling sounds come from someplace I'm not.
Also, with recorded hand call sounds (*and even real animal sounds) the ability to play these sounds at a lower volume than the originals.

High fidelity is over-rated, and is generally speaking a way to drive the sales of replacement/upgraded units, in my opinion.

Like Kokopelli, I'm more than satisfied to use my Radio Shack unit, and I'm more than pleased with the results it produces (opting to personally take the blame for any shortcomings in the numbers of animals called or killed when using it).

Carry on,

Krusty
 

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Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on February 04, 2013, 08:58 AM:
 
never did it before and may never get the chance again KOKO. On one stand I did have some help from my JRT.
He had 3 adult coyotes on him and I shot the 2 yoy on the side without the adults running off.
Shot one coyote off the dog and another checked up on the way out. The last coyote came running back in after the dog and I shot it at 15 yards.
Note - on that stand one of the yoy did run off and was not recovered...
The other stand 2 coyotes came from the south and 3 were coming from the north, killed two and the others came back in for a look.
Not really that big of a deal, just don't happen for me everyday...

Take care
Kelly

edit to add - KOKO you know I stay true to Aunt Jemima for cover scent...

[ February 04, 2013, 09:05 AM: Message edited by: Kelly Jackson ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 04, 2013, 10:18 AM:
 
As for me, I guess I have not realized the full value of Foxbang. I have not had that many multiples lately, for some reason? But, anytime I get three, four or five coyotes in front of me: it's a big deal! The time I killed six on stand was the event of a lifetime. My only regret was that three got away.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 04, 2013, 11:45 AM:
 
This is too friggin' much!!!!!
Krusty, who makes calls that are equal to anything on the market and superior to many is using a Radio Shack special that likely sounds (I'm being kind, here) `funky`.

Hey, in this high-tech world of electro-callers, does anybody still remember when we got by with 90 seconds of silence at the start of the tape so we had time to get to our stand?????
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 04, 2013, 12:35 PM:
 
I got by with blanking the start of a tape for many years. These kids, (like Kelly) don't know how good they got it. Hell, I hand built the first "e caller" I ever had, including drilling about a hundred holes for the speakers.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on February 04, 2013, 12:45 PM:
 
my first one was a boom box and a JS casette...my dad had some sort of outfit that played records, but never seen him call anything in but crows...on my deal when they swaped out speakers from the baseball field and I got one of the old ones...for all that extra loud sound....that thing sounded like a 300 pound jackrabbit when you cranked it up...lol
It would work, but I called more coyotes with an old walnut burham bro's close reed than I ever did with that boombox deal...
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on February 04, 2013, 01:40 PM:
 
I've got an old record player with a few old Johnny Stewart records. Don't use it much in the cold, but it does work and would surely rival a WT for features.
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 04, 2013, 02:24 PM:
 
Kokopelli,

I can't always use my lil tin fox whistle.

And while it may sound a bit funky, I'd still rather use my homespun Radio Shack caller (and Mr Cronk's lip-squeak, on tapes) and roll-out and back up the 40 yards of speaker wire.

You couldn't give me a WT, or a FoxPro.

Tim's bullshit, and the opposing team of FoxPro cheerleaders, have served to do nothing more than disgust me towards the products they each represent.

There's plenty of other e-call makers in the game.

*Just the same, as soon as the weather warms up some, I'm riding to Pennsylvania to visit the FoxPro museum (*rumor has it they have a Krusty Krier in their collection, and I wanna know which one it is).

Krusty
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 04, 2013, 03:05 PM:
 
....and autograph it, presumably? Maybe kiss those historic Cronk lips while you're at it? Bring a beer for Danny.

Good hunting. El Beee
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 04, 2013, 04:48 PM:
 
Leonard,

Nope, I don't plan on telling anyone, there, who I am.
I doubt I've made any friends at FoxPro over the years.

A little splash for Danny, though, sounds like a great idea.

Krusty
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 04, 2013, 05:07 PM:
 

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And while it may sound a bit funky, I'd still rather use my homespun Radio Shack caller (and Mr Cronk's lip-squeak, on tapes) and roll-out and back up the 40 yards of speaker wire.

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Yep that should be good for another two coyotes in the next ten years.
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 04, 2013, 06:18 PM:
 
Krusty;
This is some Retro-Tech you might want to try. Long ago when I was packing back in a ways and didn't want to haul a JS512 but still wanted to get the sound away from me, I carried one of those tape player / recorders along. The kind with all of the buttons on the end & the tape in the middle. I would set it out about 20 to 40 yards away from my stand with the volume set in the mid range & hit the play button. I'd then hustle to my stand and give it a few minutes. If nothing showed after a few, I would get on a mouth call and lean on it hard for an increase in volume. After a few minutes of mouth calling with the player still running, I'd put the mouth call down and let the player continue to do it's thing. Even if a coyote came in while I was mouth calling they would (usually) home in on the player when I stopped.
It wasn't a perfect system but when it worked it was pretty cool & it worked pretty often.
Gated Forest Service two-tracks & a mountain bicycle........ah, the good old days, eh??
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on February 04, 2013, 07:11 PM:
 
"Hey, in this high-tech world of electro-callers, does anybody still remember when we got by with 90 seconds of silence at the start of the tape so we had time to get to our stand?????"

Was reminded of that Saturday morning, I still use those sounds and they still work. But thank God I don't have to wind up speaker wire and haul that extra 10 lbs out.

Krusty, you ought to introduce yourself to Mike, he's a good guy.
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 04, 2013, 07:16 PM:
 
Two coyotes e-called *and killed, in ten years, that'd be an improvement!

*It was only one, and I'm not afraid to admit that truthfully.

Kokopelli,

I don't really miss my mountain bike.

I had begun to use my Radio Shack caller exactly as you describe, after reading an article where that method was outlined (in Predator Xtreme), I can't remember the author's name (but he was from New York).

Calling two coyotes in a single day using that method was one of my best days ever.
All I can hope for, is better days than that, in my future.

Krusty
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 04, 2013, 07:18 PM:
 
Tom,

Mike who?

Krusty
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on February 04, 2013, 07:46 PM:
 
Dillon.

Edit to add;

Mike bought the museum to preserve the history and recall some of the players. Internet BS is Internet BS but you made a great contribution to the tune of Krusty Kriers, one of the best call designs around and Mike would be foolish to not recognize that. At the same time you'd be foolish to pass up the opportunity to be noted for your work and meet a great guy.

Give him a call.

[ February 04, 2013, 07:51 PM: Message edited by: TOM64 ]
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 04, 2013, 08:09 PM:
 
Tom,

Oh, okay, duh. I didn't know much more about the owners of FoxPro, other than the last name Dillon.

I didn't donate the call, as far as I understand it was part of Danny's collection, and that's all I know.

Krusty
 

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Posted by Frank (Member # 6) on February 04, 2013, 08:10 PM:
 
I always wondered if the sounds were real...... Even back when I used tapes. Allot of the sounds I hear sound like hand calls to me (nothing against hand calls...they work). If allot of the game call sounds I hear are REAL animals then they ought to advertise it. Maybe I've missed it but I haven't seen claims of REAL animals being the source of the sounds.
 

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Posted by Bryan J (Member # 106) on February 04, 2013, 09:14 PM:
 
I didn't know that is what happened with Danny's museum. It is good to hear that someone picked it up and is continuing with it.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 04, 2013, 09:49 PM:
 
Foxpro has it, I don't know if they actually bought it or Danny donated it? But, I'm sure it's been added to, in bits and pieces.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on February 04, 2013, 10:17 PM:
 
Leonard,

Charlene told me that Danny donated his museum to FoxPro, that's how I found out they had a call I made.

They already had their own museum going, and he felt like they'd do his justice by combining them.

Krusty
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 05, 2013, 10:43 AM:
 
Yes, Danny told me the same, with Charlene sitting beside him. He was optimistic, at that time. They were at the campout right after having one lung removed, and he said that he was cancer free. I think he, (maybe both) enjoyed the bullshit around the campfire and it was nice seeing him again.

He started his museum when they owned and operated the motel in Caraziso (sp) and when they moved to Walker Lake, didn't have the traffic and walk ins, etc. I think they traveled to where she was from back east, and that's when they gave the stuff to the Dillons.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Chris S (Member # 3888) on February 05, 2013, 01:13 PM:
 
This thread is legendary- lol. I have to make time later to read the entire thing.
All it's missing is a Bill Martz and TA reach around.

[ February 05, 2013, 01:14 PM: Message edited by: Chris S ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 05, 2013, 02:53 PM:
 
So, you are the type that can't be bothered to start at the beginning? You probably cut lines, too? Ride the shoulder to get to the front and then rather than turning right, you cut in front of all the suckers that dutifully wait their turn.

Good to know, LB

edit: a "reach around"? that's a very interesting mental image. Can you sketch it for me?

[ February 05, 2013, 03:01 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by Chris S (Member # 3888) on February 05, 2013, 06:02 PM:
 
I read the first 2 pages and then had to skip to the end to post...
A mental image of the reach around should suffice. The sketch would be considered criminal. Al Gore would pursue me for high crimes and misdemeanors on his Internet.

[ February 05, 2013, 06:02 PM: Message edited by: Chris S ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 05, 2013, 07:15 PM:
 
Well, don't do it no more. You could miss eight or ten different off topic discussions, and look stupid, which, in your case, is less a problem.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Chris S (Member # 3888) on February 05, 2013, 09:28 PM:
 
The only thing I took away from this entire meandering cluster is;TundraWookie referring to TA as Timothy is hilarious.
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on February 05, 2013, 10:37 PM:
 
Chris,
When you get time, send me an email snowcamoman at gmail.com.
 

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Posted by Chris S (Member # 3888) on February 06, 2013, 07:40 AM:
 
I had time, so I sent you an email to the address provided. It's a very vague email...
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 06, 2013, 09:48 AM:
 
Don't you just hate it when those emails become vague? Who's your provider, I'd bitch about it?

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on February 06, 2013, 10:54 AM:
 
Vague works fine, the details are encrypted.
 

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Posted by Chris S (Member # 3888) on February 06, 2013, 12:37 PM:
 
A vague request to send an email, deserves a vague reply.
 

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