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Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on January 11, 2014, 08:59 PM:
 
In the article called "last word" by Judd Cooney in this month's predator extreme mag, he talks about the power of the new Foxpro that allows the ability to change pitch of various sounds( marketing plug). According to a guy named Big Al, he has found that that some days a high pitched distress sound will work and on the next day, a low pitched sound seems to be more effective.

Not sure if I'm buying this..

I believe that a particular sound track can be more effective ( cadence , rhythm , emotion) than another to bring in coyotes in general; however, does a particular coyote get selective on a day to day basis?

That's like a coyote thinking to himself, boy , I'm sick of bird, if only it was a jack rabbit , I'd be there in a heartbeat!

What do you guys think?

[ January 11, 2014, 09:01 PM: Message edited by: Fur_n_Dirt ]
 

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Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on January 12, 2014, 05:33 AM:
 
some days, certain sounds do (seem) to sound better then on others.
not sure but i think its due to the humidity in the air ?.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 12, 2014, 08:44 AM:
 
I'm skeptical.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on January 12, 2014, 10:44 AM:
 
Why not apply the same marketing techniques to hunters as they do with fisherman. Remember the helicopter lure?

My favorite is with the scentlock clothing or the spray to mask or cover your scent. Next, they will come up with the magical sound ONLY canines can hear. Kind of like the kings invisible clothes.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 12, 2014, 11:24 AM:
 
You got the right idea.

Here's my half baked theory. Coyotes can change the way they respond from one hour to the next. Five miles from here, they respond differently...and who knows why?

To think you can change things by twerking the sound is wishful thinking. If Big Al is who I think it is, I'm surprised he is thinking along those lines?

There are some gdamned mysteries that we will never figure out. And, trying to categorize coyote responses in generalities is a waste of time. They are talking about different coyotes on different days that like an ever so slightly different pitch than yesterday's coyotes?

That sounds like total bullshit, to me. When there are so many other factors that influence coyote behavior that we can't change.

Like, weather fronts, the barometer drops or rises, the moon is rising, the moon is falling, it's gonna rain, it's gonna snow, it's gonna stop snowing, the wind is blowing from the northeast, the wind is coming up from the south, traffic is light, it's the weekend and traffic is heavy. I'm exhausted, I can't list every factor that influences coyote behavior and there are many I haven't thought of, yet.

But, to scratch your ass and decide the frequency is slightly higher pitched, that requires a leap of faith I don't have.

Which is not to say that some pitch might be more effective than another, but to decide that it changes the favorability on a day to day basis is caca.

There are things that happen, on a hunt of which I have great expectations, but, "sometimes, (as the man once said) this shit don't work."

Experience counts for something. It's nice to expect certain things because of certain things, but we should consider THE WHOLE ENCHILADA, not a slight frequency modification. It's like the old joke about cutting off one leg at a time on the frog, and subjecting him to a loud noise, whereupon, he jumps. Then two legs and then three. Until they cut off every leg and use the same loud noise, but he doesn't jump, for some reason? Scientific conclusion: cutting off all four legs causes the frog to go deaf.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: I will never forget one time, in prime country we couldn't buy a coyote, all day and part of the next. Then, after using all kinds of different sounds and vocals, I started using an injured baby javelina. Good things suddenly started happening. Do I believe that sound was the key? Yeah, I do. But it could have just been their time to start running? It happens. For no discernible reason, the hunting gets better or it slows down. If you think your sound is the only thing going on in a coyote's life, I feel sorry for you.

[ January 12, 2014, 11:32 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on January 12, 2014, 01:02 PM:
 
Amen..

I like technology, but I'm glad I bought the simpler CS24B.

I'm an engineer, if there's a knob, I will want to twist the damn thing..
 

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Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on January 12, 2014, 05:31 PM:
 
I believe pitch makes a difference (just as all the other factors mentioned so far). Many times I've had coyotes hang up but still stick around. After trying several different sounds occassionally I'll pick one that brings them on in. We all play the game of "What sound is working today". They call it "Feed the Hot Hand" in basketball.
No seriously, I believe that some days high pitch sounds work better than low pitch. Some days the lower tones bork better. Sometimes it seems electronics don't work and hand calling does. To me it's no different than the up-wind/down-wind debate or using scents. It's all nothing more than a rabbit's foot. I can't prove they work and you can't prove they don't work.
The one thing that is true, however, is that the more successful callers are the ones with confidence in their abilities and their willingness to tweak and stretch the basics of proven fundamentals.
So yeah... I own high pitch calls, low pitch calls and everything in between.

Having said that I do tend to pay attention to the humidity when determing whether to use high vs low pitches.
 

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Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on January 12, 2014, 05:44 PM:
 
Jay. interesting.
i have not put 2 n 2 together about the humidity thing but i think its a valid point.
ever notice some days, you can hear cars 2 miles away upwind and the next time out, same conditions other them the humidity you can't hear a car 200 yards away?
i hunt high traffic areas and have noticed those things and the only thing that comes to mind is:humidity.
 

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Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on January 12, 2014, 08:24 PM:
 
There's many times when you swear you can hear cardoors shut, music, people talking and your partner shifting positions from 30 yards away as well.
My unscientific thoughts are that humidity is thicker air and since lower tones have longer sound waves, the sound pierces the thick air easier than higher tone shorter waves ergo the sound reaches out farther.

I always found it odd that a low ducky sounding Tally-Ho can call bobcats just as well as the higher pitched calls the experts say are needed when for calling cats. Shoots the hell out of my high-pitch / low-pitch theory but the caveat is that if I start seeing results with a certain pitch (high or low) I am sticking with it.
 

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Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on January 13, 2014, 08:12 AM:
 
That will be Foxpro's next "new" feature in ecallers..

A automatic pitch adjuster.. It will have a onboard humidity sensor and based on the "humidity" value, it will have a look up table and adjust the pitch accordingly to suck the coyotes right in..

[ January 13, 2014, 08:13 AM: Message edited by: Fur_n_Dirt ]
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on January 13, 2014, 08:28 AM:
 
I not a Judd Cooney/PE fan, but I do agree with Jay.
I agree that pitch makes a difference on certain days, so can cadence, inflection, timing etc. Just my opinion, but, it just seems that as some days progress, you begin to notice a definite preference.
Mark
 

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Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on January 13, 2014, 09:06 AM:
 
FP Features: Actually I'd prefer a fur recognition scan feature that tells you current market values and whether it's worth skinning plus the location of nearest trapper that would do the work and split the proceeds.
Maybe a bigger remote screen with WiFi so I can text and see what's happening on FB too!
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 13, 2014, 10:58 AM:
 
Uncle Jay is wow!
 

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Posted by tawnoper (Member # 497) on January 14, 2014, 09:04 AM:
 
sell, sell, sell! Gotta keep coming up with new shit to sell.
 

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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on January 14, 2014, 10:27 AM:
 
Coyote's actually are sensitive to pitch of the screams at times. I find it fairly easy to switch from low pitch to high pitch, or somewhere in between by simply blowing a different location on the reed. This only works with open reed calls though.
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 14, 2014, 11:20 AM:
 
or a Weems Dual Tone.
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on January 14, 2014, 11:43 AM:
 
Or a diaphragm....Hands free and freeze proof too.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 15, 2014, 12:32 PM:
 
Whatever, rated a phone call from Uncle Jay, this morning! All because he was listening to some redneck station on the radio and they played the Dixie Chicks. I thought they were still boycotted, but okay? He is inordinately proud of his custom title.

He's into Texas hunt contests these days. Who knew? And with a blast from the past, Larry Wilson, whom I have not seen since the Shadetree party at Bruce's house in 1999. If you remember Larry, you are an old fart, for sure!

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: oh, and I finally read that article on the back page of Predator Extreme. Whatever.

[ January 15, 2014, 12:34 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by Bofire (Member # 221) on January 16, 2014, 05:19 PM:
 
"I find I catch more fish on a falling barometer".. "How do you tie a falling barometer"?
Gimmicks.
Carl
 

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Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on January 25, 2014, 08:48 PM:
 
I read the article and was surprised too. I am a Judd Cooney fan. I used to love reading his stuff in F F G every month before the current days of "Coyote Prostitution". He doesn't seem the "sell-out" kind of guy and it just seemed weird. Who knows though? Maybe he is given a little dinero to promote gimmicks?
 

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Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on January 25, 2014, 10:42 PM:
 
I agree with tawnoper on this one. I quit taking Predator Xtreme because of the silly articles on calling. Until some genius finds out how to read their minds no one can tell what they think or why they do what they do. PX has to fill up their pages each month and most of what I've read there is drivel. But that's my opinion.

To their credit, Foxpro has striven to give callers what they're asking for. I think they gave them all they ever really needed with the old FX416B but apparently that's not how the business works. I know guys who own several different models of Foxpros because the newest one was sure to make them a lot better caller because it has more bells and whistles. And remember, Al Morris works for Foxpro.

When I started calling,a long, long time ago, I owned one call that cost me $3. I bought a bag of replacement reeds and blew the same sounds out of that call for better than 11 years. It worked pretty good, too. I'll admit with the electronic caller there are sounds that seem to work better one day over another but is it because there were no coyotes in hearing range at the blank stands or is it because they didn't like what they were hearing?

Anyone who has done any serious calling can tell you that you can go into an area and call it until your face turns blue and nothing responds. You go back a week or two later and you get a response on every stand. Coyotes travel and that is a fact.

I can't understand why people try to over think something as simple as calling predators. Learn the basics and stick to it. And don't lose sight of the fact that you're out there to have a good time.
 

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Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on January 29, 2014, 05:46 AM:
 
Good advise on keeping it simple Moe.

I use both hand calls and ecaller (mostly). Without a doubt , the ecaller gives me an advantage on shotgun stands in the thick stuff. It separates me for the sound source. They run in within shotgun range and I nail'em.
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on January 29, 2014, 07:00 AM:
 
Man, I feel badly for you guys who have to bury yourself into a bush, or perch up atop a ladder to catch a fleeting glimpse of coyote fur!
Have always likened predator calling as being a rifleman's game, and think that is a major reason why calling holds so much appreal to me.
If my calling terrain dictated having to use a shotgun for pass shooting in thick cover, I'd be pissed. More power to the shotgunners here, just glad it ain't me stuck calling coyotes through that tight shit!

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on January 29, 2014, 07:34 AM:
 
Me too Fred. I have probably a million acres of thick stuff full of coyotes I could hunt if I wanted to. But I'll drive past hundreds in the thick stuff just to get to dozens in the more open country. Just more fun for me and as was mentioned earlier, for most of us, fun is really all that matters.

The backlash against new products and trying to sell as many of them as possible always puzzles me though. Sell-sell-sell is the American Fucking Way. If we don't create and sell, then what? Sit around and wait for a check from Obama? Or what?

Seriously, just have never understood the attitude that there is something wrong with people (companies) getting up off their asses and making new shit soley for the purpose of selling that shit and making money. It's called Capitalism. Personally, I'm all for it.

- DAA
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 29, 2014, 08:14 AM:
 
Dave, I understand the theory, and agree for the most part.

Item #1. My truck is eight years old and I have no plans to trade it, yet.

#2, I can't be buying a new $800 ecaller every year, can't justify it, no matter how great the new TX1000 is. It's just too damned bad we can't upgrade or retool existing stuff without buying the Full Monty Capitalist New Model every fucking year.

I wear a wrist watch that is titanium and is about ten years old, still does what it's supposed to do. I don't need a new one every year. In fact, I have three I don't wear.

And, it's getting that way with game callers. Anybody want to buy a couple perfectly good Minaska's?

I probably need an attitude adjustment? Help me out!

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: PS I don't like hunting the thick shit either!

[ January 29, 2014, 08:14 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on January 29, 2014, 09:05 AM:
 
Leonard, that's all perfectly reasonable. And perfectly in harmony with Capitalism. If the companies can't produce something that is enticing enough to you at a price that is acceptable enough to you, then you don't buy it. If too many people feel the same way, they fail and lose money.

Maybe they, or even somebody else that has been paying attention, learns from the excersize and circles back around with an improved version at a lower price and enough people like the changes and new price that they buy and the company makes money.

The market works, when given a chance.

And you, me, Fred and everyone else deciding whether we really want to spend our money on something new is what it is all about. But if, lets just use Foxpro as the example, if they hadn't advanced their products in the last five years, come out with all the new bells and whistles that they have, just sat on the old FX3 or FX5 and the remotes they had five years ago, they'd be just another "wonder what happened to those guys" story now - out of business, dream over. Instead, they are kicking ass and taking names, making good money for themselves and employing more and more people all the time. "Creating wealth".

I've been working for the same guy for almost 25 years now. He is by far the smartest person I have ever met. All around. Not just intelligent, but street smart and people smart too. Just a genius in the truest sense of the word. Also the hardest working man I have ever met. A workaholic in the truest sense of the word. When he hired me, he was making about 1/3 of what he pays me now. Now he pays about 250 people enough to support their families. He's made himself nine figures already and sure to be a billionaire before he's done.

So, anyway, there isn't just one thing that got him there. But a really big part of it, something he has always preached to all of us that work for him, is that - and these are his words - "customers don't have a fucking clue what they want". He says if you wait around for customers to tell you what they want, or what problems they need solved, you'll never get out in front of the market and innovate. We are CONSTANTLY coming up with new products and new features that our customers initially just bitch about. "Why are they making XYZ when nobody is aking for it". "Who needs that, we've been doing it the other way forever and it still works". Etc., etc. But then, five years later, these same people are talking about how they can't live without XYZ and our competitors who didn't have the imagination and the balls to create it and roll it out there for ridicule, are playing catchup. But we've already rolled out a bunch more new shit that nobody seems to have any use for, but which we know from experience they are going to get really, really used to having and won't want to do without in the future.

I see the same kind of approach with what Foxpro does. They are constantly coming out with new stuff that a lot of predator hunters bitch and moan about being too expensive, not needed, ridiculous, etc., etc. But, pretty consistently, the stuff sells, the people who buy it really like it, and their competitors are left to play catch up.

I admire the shit out of how they roll.

- DAA

[ January 29, 2014, 09:10 AM: Message edited by: DAA ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 29, 2014, 09:35 AM:
 
I accept your argument, Dave.

I also think Foxpro is a world beater in game calls.

But, I think it's bad for us old school predator callers.

Everybody is an instant expert.

At least they been there, got the Tee Shirt.

There is more to predator hunting than triggering a remote.

And educating five square miles worth of coyotes, while killing 1.

Maybe?

Now I have to hunt educated coyotes, and I don't like that.

Call me a Neanderthal, digging in my heels against technology!

It was so much simpler, back in the good old days.

I used the same 8 track player for something like ? 15 years?

I will not mention how many coyotes were called by that primitive device.

Oh, okay, it would be thousands, many thousands.

I don't know what the hell my point is?

Good hunting. LB

PS, does your company have a website? I have always wondered what you do; send email if bashful.
 

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on January 29, 2014, 09:43 AM:
 
I for one believe if you want to be the most successful that you can as a predator hunter, and only you can say what that means. You have to adapt and use the tools that will best help you acomplish the task at hand. For me its killing as many coyotes as I can that I've called in. As you can see from that picture i posted in another thread i definitely don't call in the "thick stuff". But i carry a shotgun with me at every stand. With just a rifle i would bet of the 5 coyotes that came in only 1 would have died that day. I also use turrets and a small harris bipod on my rifle for those extra long shots. With using these three tools(turrets,bipod, and shotgun) I have increased my coyote harvest dramaticly. Just like i have since i have been using Foxpro CS24 in addition to my traditional hand calls. I really haven't changed my stand selection since i started using my shotgun and the long range stuff more I'm just ready when i need them.

As far as the sell sell sell thing goes, I agree with Dave they(Foxpro) put out a great product and the will sell until they won't and then they will adapt. That is the free market and the way it should be.

Good Hunting Chad
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 29, 2014, 10:39 AM:
 
I been there, done that, Chad.

I have participated in more contests than you would believe, and toting a shottie was very common. Now, not so much. I don't have to kill every coyote. I still want to, but it's not a mortal sin if I don't. It depends on factors, as to whether I carry a rifle and shotgun, or either one. Being "backdoored" is a good reason to have one handy.

But when loaded down with a stool and a caller and sticks, and two firearms, how far do you like to walk? Not AS far. I still like sneaking through a wash with a small backpack and my trusty Model 600, as long as I don't have to walk back uphill, more than three stands. But it's like that golf joke, make a stand, drag Wiley, make a stand drag both Wiley's, etc.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on January 29, 2014, 11:09 AM:
 
Yeah, when I started , I had a AR-15 or centerfire in hand, and found out very shortly that it was a big pain in the ass to find any "elevation" in my area. And, I was finding out that everyone with a AR and Foxpro had the same idea for stand locations. lol

After switching to shotgun, everything changed, just hit a thousand washes and start calling. No need to scout really, there's tons of dogs (oops, I mean coyotes).

I have a combo gun, but I end up shooting a coyote 7 out of 10 times. The rest is a .223 on average of 100 yards.

I shot a few coyotes with a centerfire in Flagstaff and Sedona areas, and I have to admit, it was refreshing!! However, having a dog run in at 20 to 30 yards all the time is pretty cool too..
 

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Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on January 29, 2014, 11:19 AM:
 
In terms of ecallers, I have the CS24B.. I usually drive my trucks to the ground, I think I'll be doing the same with that ecaller..

I also agree that ecallers educate more coyotes than hand calls in general. Too easy for folks to hit "pup distress3" for 5 or ten minutes on every stand.

I use pup distress, but selectively. If I'm in an general area , I try and use it only once.
 

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on January 29, 2014, 11:25 AM:
 
I will readily admit sometimes it can be a pain in the ass to carry both guns, but I guess I am getting used to it now. And yes I walk, Alot... Anymore i feel like i have to especially here in Utah, theres just to many callers out there educating coyotes to do the 100 yards from the truck stands anymore. I've also started improvising more too. Ground skinning coyotes when the furs prime, it's alot easier to pack a couple coyote hides than drag two dead coyotes back to the truck or Atv. Or if it isnt fur season cut off the ears and jaw and throw it in a bag. So I really don't carry much from stand to stand.

Good Hunting Chad
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 29, 2014, 11:32 AM:
 
...and, a stool isn't a necessity in Utah or Nevada. There is always a rock to sit on or the side of a hill.

I have a medical condition that limits extensive walking, or I might do it a lot more.

Good hunting. El Bee

Hey fur, you been talking to Clever Gary, huh?
 

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on January 29, 2014, 11:54 AM:
 
I usually just have a inch thick butt pad that clips to my belt loop on my pants to sit on. Speaking of medical conditions and walking, i have been dealing with a torn myniscus(sp?) in my right knee for a couple years and it has finally bothered me enough that I'm going under the knife in a couple weeks to hopefully fix it so I really get after the coyotes next fall. Nothing worse than being 4 miles from the truck and it starts popping and feels like somebody is sticking a knife in my knee.lol

Good Hunting Chad
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on January 29, 2014, 01:23 PM:
 
Leonard, no need to see our website, it wouldn't tell you anything about what "I" actually do. My Boss tried to make me rich, years ago, but the stress was too much for me. Figured I'd rather be poor and happy than rich and suicidal. I asked if I could just be the janitor, and he graciously agreed to let me. Seen one janitor, seen them all, websites notwithstanding...

- DAA
 

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on January 29, 2014, 01:51 PM:
 
Leonard, back to foxpro and ecallers. I couldn't agree more with your assesment of what this new ecaller age has brought to the table. For me it's been a double edged sword. I have reaped the benefits of the callers and the great sounds they have to offer. But at the same time see how much harder it is to call coyotes in with all the idiots out there with there heads up there asses with no clue what it means to be a good and successful Coyote caller. I also think its made lazy callers too. But again this to has made me a better caller as far as i'm concerned. I've had to learn to adapt to compensate for the increased pressure and educating of the coyotes i am calling. So i guess i see pro's and con's to this new generation of predator calling.

Good Hunting Chad
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 29, 2014, 02:19 PM:
 
Okay, Dave. I will have to use my imagination.

However, I understand pulling back from the rat race. Money has never motivated me. I feel kind of sorry for those that have the drive for riches. All I want is simple pleasures, independence,
and contentment.

If I could be as rich as Dan, (the man) I wouldn't know what to do with it? Maybe take longer and more exotic vacations? But, I always feel relief when I get back home, so?

They say when you have more stuff, you worry about it in direct ratio to how many toys you have. I'm not a car nut. Not even a gun nut? Tools, nothing more.

But, make no mistake. Retirement and me get along just fine. My needs are small and so is my income and I want for nothing, in the material sense. I have always been happy. Retirement just mellows me a bit more.

Handsome enough, I could be an inch or two taller but otherwise, I'm looking through rose tinted glasses.

Oh, actually there is one thing. I sure wish Obama would drop dead while we still have a country left!

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on January 29, 2014, 02:52 PM:
 
I couldn't agree with you more Leonard. I'm kinda stuck in analog mode myself. Life is easier that way I think.
And since the proliferation of e callers and everybody all of a sudden thinking they are ADC guys I have noticed over the past 20 or so years anyways that there are a lot more educated coyotes out there than there was before and where I used to call all of a sudden has ten guys a weekend out blasting the airwaves with foxpro sounds.
Glad Im retired and can at least have the weekdays to myself. Even out here in the middle of nowhere.
 

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Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on January 29, 2014, 05:23 PM:
 
I am a dinosaur! The only e-caller I ever used and still use a little every now and then is the FREE green Ray-o-vac Foxpro I won a long, long time ago, in a giveaway contest from THE one and only Dave Affleck!

Dave, I admire the heck out of you. You certainly do make the most of your life! I had a neighbor for 18 years. He quit his sales job to get a maintenance job so that he could have way more time to raise his 4 kids. We watched all of them grow up. Three of them went to West Pointe. My favorite, unfortunately, almost went to State Pen. (Not Penn State.) LOL

[ January 29, 2014, 05:45 PM: Message edited by: Locohead ]
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on January 30, 2014, 04:35 AM:
 

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Ground skinning coyotes when the furs prime, it's alot easier to pack a couple coyote hides than drag two dead coyotes back to the truck or Atv.

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That is mostly what I do when I hunt here. Just too little private land to hunt, so we usually make a stand and try to call animals off other peoples land onto land we are allowed to hunt. Then beat feet to the next stand location. It is always deer season here, so public land is chaos or a pumpkin patch at times.

Kind of like bass fishing I guess, seems everyone has a boat, depth finder, and fishes the good spots.

After working 7-12's or more while the three car plants were here, and a Nuke plant down south, now it seems like hospitals and pharmaceutical companies, I got burnt out. Yea I made a few dollars but had no life, plus the stress will get to you.

I love it when I go to someone else's job and I can just say, "what next boss"!

I do like this site's no BS output from the guys that know their S. If coyotes can get educated then there is hope that I can too.

Heck with all the praise for Dave, I was almost expecting this to turn into one of those old Celebrity Roast, like Dean Martin used to do in the 70's. I loved those shows. Hard part is I don't think I have ever heard/read Dave saying anything bad about anyone.

LB, I hear you loud and clear. I may never be rich with money, have a Ranger or Triton bass boat, may even be reduced to drinking warm Stag beer, well maybe not Stag, I do have to draw the line somewhere, but I can still have fun with my true friends. And I am lucky enough to have a few scattered out through this great country.
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on February 02, 2014, 10:15 AM:
 

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Herters... I remember them. One of my earliest experiences with an e-caller was a Herters .



Dad had the little battery powered record player, but I don't remember him using it when I hunted with him.

My Dad used to transfer those 45's to reel-to-reel tape. Had a ginormous tape player, with a speaker at the end of a long reel of wire. Player took like 8 or 10 D cells. Speaker and all that wire. It was heavy. I was the pack mule. I really hated that setup! It's why I was a 100% hand caller for a long, long time. Right up until I got my first FoxPro, matter of fact - which is the one Danny has now.

Dad did eventually get a JS512, which was a huge improvement over that old tape deck. But I had moved out and was doing my own thing by then, didn't get to hunt with him that often over his 512.

Speaking of how many coyotes have heard the FoxPro sounds... I recorded their first good jackrabbit sound. Up till then, they really didn't have any good sounds, in my opinion. Since then of course they have really compiled one hell of a library. Plenty of sounds that are probably better. But that first live jack rabbit I did for them, I still call it Utah Jack, that was their first real "killer sound".

I don't watch hunting shows. But my partner Tim does. He says he has heard that sound on just about every predator hunting show there is - including some that don't use Foxpros!

Anyway... Tim says he has heard that sound on TV being used in Africa, heard it being used to call Bigfoots on those kind of shows, all kinds of stuff. I've heard it on a lot of the videos I used to buy too.

I still use that sound on most of my stands. And sometimes I really have to wonder, just how many coyotes have heard that sound? A hundred thousand? A million? I've no idea. But it's a lot. I wonder how many coyotes hear it when I'm playing it, that have ALREADY heard it - that exact sound?

So, I'm the last person on earth that has any right to bitch about coyotes getting educated by FoxPro...

- DAA

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on February 02, 2014, 10:18 AM:
 
BTW... On that Herters 45, you can see something has been crossed out and the word "pred" hand written. That's how it came from Herters. Beats the hell outta me what that's about!

- DAA
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on February 02, 2014, 10:31 AM:
 
Okay, just held that Herters record up to the light and looked real close. It says "Goose" under the magic marker.

Guess they must have got a batch labeled wrong and just crossed them out like that. Kinda funny!

- DAA
 

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Posted by Wily E (Member # 3649) on February 02, 2014, 11:25 AM:
 
Wow, anything with Herters on it is a trip down memory lane.

I still believe if these sounds can be duplicated with a hand call to a high level of accuracy, it's going to beat the recorded sounds and it's underlying "white noise" in areas that are heavily called with electronic calls. I can tell the difference between live and recorded so I don't think a coyote has any trouble telling the difference. Heck, consider that dogs can identify individual vehicle noises at a half mile before that truck reaches the yards. A coyote's sense of hearing is far greater than most can comprehend. I can't prove that theory but I have that much confidence in a coyote's ability to detect that difference.

~SH~
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 02, 2014, 11:46 AM:
 
Herter's used to be almost a pre-Cabelas, they even sold rifles with their name on them. I was surprised and disappointed when they went under. Whatever it is now, that is reincarnated as Herter's, I don't know? Maybe somebody just bought the name? But, yes. A trip down memory lane, for sure.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by DiYi (Member # 3785) on February 02, 2014, 12:05 PM:
 
LB,
Since you were once a vintage Minneeeesoootan,imagine you visited their store in Waseca,Mn.I did.

edit to add: http://discovery.mnhs.org/MN150/index.php?title=Herter%27s%2C_Inc.

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