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Rich
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posted October 04, 2010 05:13 PM
For those of you who don't already know it, Scott Huber got me started using voice howls a few years ago. I owe Scott a lot for that. Howls coming straight from your vocal chords can work almost like magic when it comes to enticing one of those wiley critters to your gun.
http://www.cronkpredatorcalls.com/sounds/VoiceHowlRC.mp3
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Leonard
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posted October 04, 2010 07:55 PM
Very good! How much?
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Rich
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posted October 04, 2010 09:42 PM
Leonard,
I have one problem with that howl. Now that I have loaded it on my caller it plays in a loop so that it howls time after time after time, way too close together. It is hard to mute the sound exactly at the end of the howl. I am going to put the howl back into my Cool Edit and try to tape enough silence after the howl to make the howls further apart when it plays in a loop. You are welcome to save the howl and load it on your CS24 if you want. There is no charge. I will post here again after I try the longer loop idea, because if it works the howl will be much easier to use out in the field. I think that voice howl is just non aggressive enough to work all year around.
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DAA
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posted October 05, 2010 05:43 AM
I would imagine it should be easy to add silence on either end of your sound clip using your Cool Edit program. But if it's not, google up Goldwave, I know it's easy to do using that and you can download a demo/trial version for free.
- DAA
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Possumal
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posted October 05, 2010 06:00 AM
Hey Rich, look in your emails sent this morning.
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Al Prather
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JoeF
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posted October 05, 2010 08:32 AM
I'll second the Goldwave choice. Easy to edit, filter, etc...
Downloadable full featured evaluation copy that is limited to 150 commands/session, 2000 commands for the life of the e-val. That's a fair amount of editing.
$49 for the licensed unlimited copy.
I have the self-extracting file for the evaluation copy (legal to share) if anyone is interested.
Silence is as simple as selecting the location, clicking Edit, insert silence, and specifying the duration.
I'm kinda rusty at it now, but even an expatriated hillbilly could figure it out pretty quick.
Man, I got busted by the board police again. Can't abbreviate evaluation as eval and follow it with a "("
Said that html tag is not allowed....
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TundraWookie
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posted October 05, 2010 10:23 AM
Rich,
That sounds good. If you ever need any sound editing, just email me your sound and let me know what you want done to it and I'll bounce it back to you with the changes.
snowcamoman@gmail.com
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Greenside
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posted October 05, 2010 11:02 AM
Rich
Why would you want to load your voice howl on your foxpro when you can just go ahead and voice howl? Seems to me that would negate the value and benefits of the real deal. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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Rich
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posted October 05, 2010 12:11 PM
Thanks for the tips. You guys are great. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Greenside,
I have quite a collection of my own recordings that I use on my Foxpro for various reasons.
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Leonard
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posted October 05, 2010 12:14 PM
I don't know his reasons, Dennis?
But, in a related situation; it is almost impossible for a man to use a handcall all night, fatigue just from staying awake, but it really takes energy, to blow a call for extended periods. Switching off and using the ecaller provides needed relief between stands, or as I do frequently, hand call for 2/3 minutes and flip on the recorded sound for when they start showing up, and you need your hands free.
For me, I would think a recording of a voice howl would be very effective. Maybe not as good, but not bad, either. Another thing, when I voice howl, I get hoarse real quick, for some reason?
Good hunting. LB
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Cdog911
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posted October 05, 2010 03:34 PM
I've always wanted to voice howl, but just can't get what I feel is high enough for it. Then again, those old dog coyotes don't get very high most times. The one we rassled with Sunday a.m. was pretty low and often just gave us a flat howl like an old bull bawl, until he switched into the "get the hell outta my yard" challenge barks. That's pretty good, Cronk.
Someone who was a dead nuts voice howler was Willis Kent. That man could make the hair stand up on your neck.... back when I had hair.
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Possumal
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posted October 05, 2010 03:44 PM
Greenside, I'll bet Rich wants his voice howl on his Foxpro for the same reason he wants other sounds, to enable himself to get the sound away from where he is perched in such a way as to be able and see all around the ecaller for incoming customers. He also might want to start his stand with a few voice howls or howls off his howler or killer call, followed up a couple of minutes later with the voice howl or other howls off his ecaller, making it sound like the coyotes doing the howling are moving from where heard the first time. Happens all the time in the real coyote hunting grounds.
Others: Rich is a good voice howler. You ought to hear Jerry Hunsley voice howl. It is too good to believe! I don't see what keeps him from exploding his vocal chords. Another great voice howler is old Dave Tatum from out Nebraska way. He can do it with just his voice or accompanied by a diaphragm in his mouth. I have always envied people who can do that but my dentures and vocal chords can't go there, even poorly.
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Rich
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posted October 05, 2010 03:59 PM
Cdog,
Willis Kent sounded more like a wolf than a coyote, at least to MY ears.
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TA17Rem
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posted October 05, 2010 06:17 PM
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Why would you want to load your voice howl on your foxpro when you can just go ahead and voice howl? Seems to me that would negate the value and benefits of the real deal.
I agree Dennis. The voice howl works its best live rather than memerex. The voice howl carries better than most hand calls and if its recorded and down-loaded into a E-caller you will loose some of its range.. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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SD Howler
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posted October 05, 2010 06:46 PM
Yes, Jerry Hunsley makes some awesome voice howls. He inhales to create the barks and howls. I exhale or blow out for my howling, but I have a bass type voice and sound like a OLD dog coyote. It still gets their attention. Some of the local coyotes come in quietly to check the invader and some of the other distant coyotes just howl back in response.
With my early morning calling stands, I normally started with lone howl with my open reed call and then used a couple barks and a howl again. After a couple of minutes if I had no responses, I would use a couple of voice barks and howls. Another waiting period where we glassed the area for any oncoming coyotes. Then I would start with the rabbit distress cries.
The voice howls work great, but it is hard on your throat to use them repeatedly.
Yes as Tim mentioned the voice howls carry out much further than an open reed call, even when I used a trombone bell as an amplifier. On a still night the voice howl could still be heard at a distance of two miles.
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Rich
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posted October 06, 2010 11:35 AM
"The voice howls work great, but it is hard on your throat to use them repeatedly."
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Which is one reason that I record my voice howls for use on E callers. I can also share the recordings with friends who want to try my sounds on their E callers.
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Rich
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posted October 06, 2010 11:39 AM
Guy's,
I just bought a lifetime license for Goldwave. Now all I gotta do is learn how to use another electronic gizmo.
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Cayotaytalker
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posted October 07, 2010 03:18 PM
Rich,I have only one voice howl.As soon as I get off of here I will be recording some howls. I put about a 10 or 15 secound gap at the end of my howls so I have time to hit pause or hit a prey sound.
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Rich
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posted October 07, 2010 05:40 PM
Cayotaytalker,
Yes, I am doing the silence at the end of my howls also. Hey, I had two coyote pups wanting to approach one of my howls yesterday, but I was set up in a way that they hit my scent cone and would turn back. I would hit that howl again, and they would stop, turn and start back towards me. Interesting to watch. I recorded a new voice howl tonite also.
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George Ackley
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posted October 08, 2010 08:20 AM
quote:
it is almost impossible for a man to use a handcall all night, fatigue just from staying awake, but it really takes energy, to blow a call for extended perio
I am with yea there LB, i dont know how some guys do it.
good sound there rich
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Rich
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posted October 08, 2010 09:12 AM
George,
Thanks for the compliment. I recorded a new one last night that is just a bit different.
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Rich
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posted October 08, 2010 09:20 AM
"Yes as Tim mentioned the voice howls carry out much further than an open reed call, even when I used a trombone bell as an amplifier. On a still night the voice howl could still be heard at a distance of two miles."
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Here is an interesting comparison for ya. A few years back, S.H. made a post on Predator Masters about blowing a Cronk Cow horn howler while hunting on a real windy day. His pardoner was something over two miles away and saw a pair of coyotes swap ends and run back toward S.H.
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posted October 08, 2010 03:23 PM
Fellows, the first call that I ever had Rich make for me was a standard cowhorn howler, and it was all you could ask for as to appearance, and I was excited for it to hurry and get to my mailbox. I received it, and quickly realized the pictures Rich had posted on the forum did not do it justice, as it was beyond gorgeous. So I had to hurry up and get the reed protector off and put my possumheaded lips to that bad boy. I had never heard a howler sound that realistic, and every dog within 4 or 5 blocks from my house were raising hell, even though I was inside my house in my man room with the door slightly open. I took it with me at first light to a farm I hunt a lot when it gets cool, slipped in to my favorite perch, and when all was ready, I cut loose one of those long lonesomes and farm dogs and coyotes were raising hell in all directions, probably 3 or 4 square miles. Hell, the thing kind of scared this old possum, and I got it into my head that it was too loud for my part of the world, and I sent it back to the Cronkster to put in his display case (needed to make him grin, ya know) Since then, he has made me other howlers and calls, and the tones are so realistic on them that I feel I can get any kind of coyote vocal I want or need. I can't voice howl anyway so I better have an edge ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) I have to believe his attention to detail in his personal tuning of each howler he makes is the big difference.
Sorry to post such a long commercial, but I am feeling much better today and want to shout it out.
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Leonard
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posted October 08, 2010 03:56 PM
You sent it back? Umm, okay. My momma raised me to believe that there is no such thing as a "too loud" coyote howler. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Good hunting. LB
edit: and glad to hear that you are a little more chipper today.
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posted October 08, 2010 06:26 PM
Leonard, I am sure you are correct, and I know Rich believes the same thing. At the time, I honestly thought it was louder than it needed to be for where I hunt 99% of the time, and I knew Rich had a beautiful display case. I wanted it to go there rather than hang on my rack not being used, and I sure didn't want to sell it. Rich was more than fair in making me a nice custom call I described earlier, and then was good enough to modify a beautiful Bob Gibson wooden crow call into a female sounding howler which is one of my favorite howlers. Here is a picture of that modified howler. It be special.
And here is a special call he made for me that he allowed me to name, and I chose "Cronk
Assassin", as it will sure as hell get some critters dead.
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