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Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on December 16, 2010, 03:50 AM:
i went out yesterday for a hunt. though i saw was a small coyote out walking along a drainage ditch. it was'nt ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
. first one i've ever seen. beautiful fox 
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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on December 16, 2010, 03:52 AM:
Wow that's cool...
What's up with that color phase? That's one to be mounted for sure.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on December 16, 2010, 04:25 AM:
Nice fox B-N-B or you prefer Borken.. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on December 16, 2010, 04:38 AM:
call me anything you want.. just not late for supper ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 16, 2010, 08:33 AM:
Thanks for sharing BH. Neat little critter. Where did that take place? Just curious.
A couple remarks. It is puzzling how these animals colonize new regions. I was born in Minneesota, and I guarantee, there was no coyotes, maybe an occasional fox? I saw some sort of fox while pheasant hunting with my dad and uncle, I was probably 10, armed with my trusty (and deadly) .410.
It's sort of amazing that in my lifetime, coyotes are rather common in Minneesota, as they are in many other parts of the country that previously contained none.
I have to confess that I'm partially to blame for pressuring those coyotes to move to safer areas from here in The People's Republik of Kalifornia.
I have never killed a red fox, never even seen one since that event when I was ten years old until a few years ago, in northern Arizona. I have heard reports of red fox in Orange County, fer cripe sakes! What's up with that?
Gray fox. Now, years ago, sixties, maybe early seventies, when I started doing a lot of contest hunting, it was almost diagnostic to see a gray fox in the kill. That meant the team had been hunting in Arizona. Just like coyotes with white tipped tails. Unheard of, except coming from southern Arizona.
Now, we have white tips coming from the mountain states and ( I hear) the midwest. While hunting Nevada for the first twenty years, I never saw a gray fox, now they are rather common.
So, the migration dynamics of various predators is interesting. Well, it wouldn't interest my late wife for a second, so she had this way of telling me very subtly, that my interests in life indicated that I was a very shallow fellow, and her family heartily agreed.
I began hunting predators seriously about 1968 and gradually, the overall situation has changed, when I stop to ponder. Okay, I'm a fossil, so sue me! Being retired, and with no meaningful responsibilities, I have time to consider such trivial topics, .......like what's the meaning of all this, in this great cosmos?
Well, as that well known sage once said; only the yippers know for sure and they ain't talking. Who said that, anyway?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by nd coyote killer (Member # 40) on December 16, 2010, 08:44 AM:
Awesome Dave. I hear those are actually fairly common in Ontario. Hopefully i will get a chance at one in January on my wolf hunt!
Posted by CatTracker (Member # 3526) on December 16, 2010, 10:41 AM:
In the 70's, I'd see one or two of them show up at the fur buyers every year in northern Minnesota (before the coyotes took over). I for one don't think I'd sell that one...Nice job!
Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on December 16, 2010, 10:54 AM:
Lenard. 20 years ago it was real common to see 20-40 red fox a day. best day was 54. also, 20 years ago, i'd be lucky to even see 1 coyote and went to "any" method to kill it ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
. mange came in about 12-15 years ago and slowly wiped out our fox pop. coyotes have moved in now and it's way more common to see them than fox. never thought i'd see the day!!! N.D.C.K. you never mentioned to me you were taking me on a wolf hunt?? when's the date???. would full body it but 1/2 his face is still in the fields. j.f.y.i. this fox is coal black with a white chest cresent and tipped tail. very few silver guard hairs. my fur buyer said he's never seen one.has seen silvers but not coal black.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 16, 2010, 11:26 AM:
I am heavily engaged in packing, and have been since yesterday. Cold weather gear and some camo and thermals & socks enough to last a week, if I get them wet. Two pair of cold weather boots, one my subzero mukluks, and was asked to bring the snowshoes, but Man! that's going to be difficult! I may have to repack again, or I'm thinking of buying a larger bag, or be soaked for a second bag and a carry on.
Woofs? Who said anything about woofs? They got woofs up there?
Good hunting. LB
PS Randy Buker has always cried about the mange decimating his red fox population, but you know how he exaggerates. Like his routine 500 yard 17 caliber bang/flops on coyotes....... Come to think of it, TA claims the same crap? What is it about Minneesota and whatever you call that?
Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on December 16, 2010, 11:38 AM:
Minnefornia has LOTS of Woofs. to damn many. hopefully next year there will be a season. Leonard, has anyone ever told you that you ramble on like an "Old Man".
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 16, 2010, 11:41 AM:
Yes. TY
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 16, 2010, 12:25 PM:
I just located a real big hockey bag I can borrow, but I have to go get it.
Unless Dan...no he wouldn't do that for me even if he had nothing to do; which he probably doesn't? Can't hurt to ask? Can you run up to Rancho Cucamonga and bring me that bag, I'm still buying you a DoubleDouble (animal style, grilled onions), fries and a rootbeer.
These Internet forums are great for these types of things!
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Lungbuster (Member # 630) on December 18, 2010, 01:48 PM:
Cool pic. I've never seen one in that phase before.
Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on December 18, 2010, 04:45 PM:
Wrong thread ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
[ December 18, 2010, 04:48 PM: Message edited by: smithers ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 18, 2010, 04:50 PM:
Damn, smithers! Your mom post bail, or what? Ain't seen you in a coon's age?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on December 18, 2010, 05:41 PM:
Funny that my first post in a coon's age was made in the incorrect thread. It's like I forgot how to post or something'.
Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on December 18, 2010, 06:15 PM:
Funny that my first post in a coon's age was made in the incorrect thread. It's like I forgot how to post or something'.
Posted by Okanagan (Member # 870) on December 18, 2010, 09:00 PM:
That's a beauty of a fox! WTG!
On colors of fox, I've been told that the black ones are simply a color variation of normal red foxes, as are the pale blond ones and variations of cross foxes. Some folks I've hunted with call the black ones silver foxes.
I saw a jet black fox in the edge of Sequim, WA on the Olymnpic Penninsula about 25 years ago. Several of us watched the black fox and a classic red fox play together for 20 minutes in a pasture beside the house where I was staying.
I also watched a jet black one cross the highway in front of me near Kelowna, BC and then pulled out my binculars and watched it cross a frozen lake.
Leonard, as to white tipped tails on coyotes, in 1968 I watched one with binoculars for several minutes on a low ridge above Newhall, California. A pair were together and one had a black tip, the other white. I remember it because the white tip was so unusual to me, and because it was on a picnic breakfast with my new bride.
Farmers in Whatcom County, (NW WA) tell me that there used to be many red foxes in the area and no coyotes or at least very few. Coyotes are now common and foxes appear to be extinct there.
[ December 18, 2010, 09:02 PM: Message edited by: Okanagan ]
Posted by JoeF (Member # 228) on December 19, 2010, 08:44 AM:
Bear, that is certainly an unusual fox. Something I've never seen.
Count me among those who lost their fox. I grew up in eastern Mo. and very well remember the coyotes taking over in the mid 70's. We went from foxes and groundhogs everywhere to nothing but coyotes in very short order.
There was a bit of a swing back 5 years or so ago where I saw some foxes again, but I think that fizzled out, too.
Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on December 20, 2010, 08:26 PM:
Leonard, the "magic man" is doubling my posts? Haha! The fun never ends.
Posted by Randy Buker (Member # 134) on December 27, 2010, 11:43 AM:
"PS Randy Buker has always cried about the mange decimating his red fox population, but you know how he exaggerates. Like his routine 500 yard 17 caliber bang/flops on coyotes....... Come to think of it, TA claims the same crap? What is it about Minneesota and whatever you call that? "
Leonard,
Glad to see that while I may be gone, I'm not forgotten.
Hope you had a good Christmas.
Randy
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 27, 2010, 12:20 PM:
Hey Randy!
Good to hear from you! How's it going?
Glad you took my comments as good natured, which they were. Never doubted your truthfullness. Just the implications. Some people think they can do anything, and I like to urge on the side of caution...ya know?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Randy Buker (Member # 134) on December 27, 2010, 01:01 PM:
Life is good, Leonard. Thanks for asking.
I look in here from time to time just to make sure you are behaving yourself. Seems like things are going good for you too?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 27, 2010, 02:23 PM:
smithers, I have done nothing to anything you wrote. If you double posted, you must have hit the button twice. No magic by me. I do not mess with what members post, almost never, unless I can help with a photo; things of that nature. Don't go getting all paranoid on me.
Good hunting. LB
edit: yeah, Randy. Things are pretty okay with me. Make no mistake, holidays are tough. Right now, I need to get ready for an alumni holiday get together in a couple hours, at The Mission Inn, in Riverside, a very nice and well known venue. I hope some folks show up that I haven't seen in a coon's age?
[ December 27, 2010, 02:29 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on December 27, 2010, 06:24 PM:
Uh, huh. I double up my posts all the time. 34 minutes apart!! Black Ops stuff goin on in here
[ December 27, 2010, 06:26 PM: Message edited by: smithers ]
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on December 27, 2010, 07:45 PM:
It looks that way Smithers..
Bear hunter I read a post of youre's on another site but could'nt respond.
quote:
for some reason i don't have much luck locating in minn. i expect the same for wis.
Youre coyotes are'nt any different than mine, use the right howl or sequence of howls and most will respond. If not youre not in the right place, or not hearing them howl back. Cloudy or dirty skies work best...
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 27, 2010, 10:44 PM:
Maybe there is, but I don't know what the hell you are talking about? Point it out, I'll check it out and try to give you an answer. BUT, I haven't been screwing with anybody, even you.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on December 28, 2010, 12:29 AM:
Tim, i spent most of the month of oct. working outta town. (northern mn) i was up every morning before dark trying to locate coyotes. did not have 1 responce outta maybe 40-50 tries. plenty of coyoes around. killed about 15-20 just blind calling. not sure but i'm thinking the presents of wolves are keeping them quite??? locating in ND/MT, the responce rate is prolly 75%. tried everything i had.siren,lone howls,group howls. they just don't talk around here ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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