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DAA
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posted December 11, 2016 11:21 AM
... my new suppressor. TBAC Ultra 7 6.5. Ordered it in Feb. Just brought it home last week.
Only have one barrel threaded for it. Had money set aside to get four more done (plus some rimfire barrels), but it all went towards getting my Jeep going again after it caught on fire.
Anyhoo... None of this is going to be news to anyone already running a suppressor. But I'm just tickled pink and suffering a bit of cabin fever (weather), so I'm yapping about it with y'all ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) .
Had my .20-250 chopped from 25" to 19" and threaded not too long after ordering the can. At it's original 25", it was loud enough to make it just plain unpleasant to shoot. I think it was more about the pitch, than the volume - although it was putting out plenty of dB's. But it had a piercing quality to the muzzle blast that was painful to the unprotected ear. My partner Tim, went on by far the longest missing streak of his life tying to kill a coyote with it, because he immediately developed a flinch shooting it. When he finally did kill one with it, he handed it back to me and said he never wanted to shoot it again. And I haven't really shot it anymore since then either and that was about ten years ago.
Anyway... I didn't shoot it at 19" without the can. But I've had two range sessions with it now using the TBAC.
What a night and day difference! Besides the obvious huge reduction in muzzle blast, I'm pleasantly surprised at how much recoil reduction there is too. The rifle never had much kick anyway, but now it's just about nothing. I'm seeing bullet holes appear in the target at 100 yards. Shooting it is now most pleasant! And fun! Just neater than crap to have that thing being so much quieter and having such minimal muzzle rise/recoil.
Took what was an unpleasant shooting experience and made it pure fun. Loving it! I'd put the loudness at somewhere between a .22 Mag and a .221 Fireball rifle. That painful pierce is completely gone. Had the range to myself for awhile and didn't fully appreciate just how quiet it really is until another guy showed up and started shooting a .22-250 a couple benches down. It sounded like a canon next to mine.
Did lose about 240 fps, with the 6" of barrel gone. That's a lot. But, it's still shooting 39 BK's at 4000 and custom 38's at 4060. In a reasonably maneuverable rifle that is pure joy to shoot. And which I will now use, which I wasn't before. And still grouping in the 3's and 4's for five shots.
Paint me happy ![[Smile]](smile.gif) .
Now, I need to figure out how I'm going to pay for getting not only more barrels threaded for this one, but all the rimfires I want to thread for my rimfire suppressor which ought to be coming home sometime in January. AND still pay for a new Benelli.
Seriously thinking about selling my .243AI. It's a colony varmint rig that I haven't actually used in years. Lots of expensive components tied up in it (Nesika, Jewel, Shehane, Lilja, Nightforce). If I could get $2,500 for it I think I'd jump... Might just part it out. Have had better luck selling custom rifles in pieces than all put together.
- DAA
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Lone Howl
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posted December 11, 2016 12:09 PM
Coyote bounties should cover it????
Neato...but Id rather hear about the Jeep mishap?
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posted December 11, 2016 01:00 PM
Ehhh... Not a happy story...
Coming home from a calling trip, on the interstate, doing 80 MPH, noticed I was on fire.
Pulled over and got it put out pretty quick.
Dry grass gathered on the transfer case skid plate. Been worried about that for years. Finally happened. Don't think it wen the way I though it would though. It didn't start around the exhaust. Looked like it started around the front driveshaft. Grass and brush packed around it so tight friction on the spinning driveshaft started the fire.
Got it put out fast enough that you couldn't tell it had been in a fire standing there looking at it. But climb underneath... Ugghhh...
Mostly wiring harness gone. An expensive PITA. But also clutch hydraulics, fuel lines blackened and obviously got hot enough that I felt they needed replaced. Locker pumps toast. Lot of odds and ends.
Took two months and a lot of money but she's back out amongst 'em.
Just the latest in a series of financial surprises over the last couple of years. Mostly medical bills have kicked my ass. Wife had a fender bender last year that took a chunk also. But having a daughter turn into a teenager seems to be a never ending source of small expenses that really add up too.
No play money, at all. So toys all have to be financed "off budget". Fur and bounty do help a lot. Already spent most of my bounty for the year on tires, right before the fire - have a few more to turn in and will try for some more, but the early season is the time to make hay on that. But fur check, bounty money, selling things I don't use anymore etc., that's where all fun money comes from anymore. If I can't pay for it without taking it out of the paycheck, it ain't happening. Seems like it might be that way for a long time to come!
Same story as just about everybody, I reckon.
- DAA
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posted December 11, 2016 02:29 PM
Sorry to hear it, Dave. But, that's a new one on me? I can see catalytic converter catching fire, they talk about it all the time but fire from friction is an unlucky deal. As your story was developing, I was convinced it would be electrical but no.
The other thing is the unpleasant report? I am not very familiar with a 20 caliber rifle barrel, never shot one, but it just doesn't compute that it's more painfully unpleasant than say your (is it a 6/284?} something based on the 284W case? Or a 300 mag?
If it's that bad, as a colony varmint rig why weren't you using earphones or plugs? Or did I miss something? It's for coyotes?
This comment isn't intended as an insult, in any way but Dave....I always thought you were pretty well off? Don't know exactly why I had that impression but I'm just surprised reading about the money considerations, budgets and all. I know you don't run with anything but the best available, no matter what it is, Dave's a first class all the way kinda guy.
Okay, enough of that. So is this particular rig, getting dusted off because it was considered the most obnoxious candidate? Or, have you suddenly focused on a mission that wasn't there, before? In other words, now that it's a joy to shoot, it will be used for lots of things?
I am starting to see the writing on the wall. The trend is suppressers and I might have to cave in, avoid being ostracized and banished for using unmuffled firearms. Next thing you know, I might have to join FaceBook and Twitter just to maintain my social standing? How depressing!
So, the plan is quick disconnect, one suppressor (maybe screwed on) for a half a dozen different rifle barrels?
Curious, what does it cost to have a barrel threaded,with a little
screw on thread protector? Awkward for cleaning, or not?
So, this suppressor dismantles for cleaning? Did you get one that works for big boomers and is extra effective on smaller calibers? How does that work? Did the mfg give you advice in that regard?
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted December 11, 2016 02:31 PM
Yep, I hear that. Sounds all to familiar! Shit happens one right after the other.
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posted December 11, 2016 03:09 PM
Leonard, it's a dedicated calling rifle. Never been used for anything but. Heavy sporter (Lilja #4). Barrel heats fast. Wouldn't last long on colony varmints
But, yeah, hard to describe the muzzle blast. I don't think it's as "loud" as my 6-284, but it produces sharp pain in the ears! Just nasty.
Was, still am, loathe to chop that much barrel off my .17P or 6-284. But the .20-250 was gathering dust anyway and I did want at least on suppressed rifle that wasn't 30" w/can. It was the one I was most willing to kiss that velocity performance goodbye on, so it got the chop.
As of now, I do plan to thread the other two, but leave them long. Will probably take 2" off the .17, from 24" to 22", as a concession to the practicality of getting it in and out of the Jeep ten times a day (will be 28.5" w/can). But the 6-284 (25") and .22-250AI (which is mostly a colony varmint rig, 27"), are staying full length. I can always make them shorter, but I can't make them longer again.
$100 each for threading. No thread protectors.
Can spins on and off easy as pie. Take it off for cleaning the rifle.
Since I don't plan to ever use it on anything bigger than 6mm, I got a 6.5 can. Can use it on anything .264 or smaller. Most guys get a .30 if they are going to use one on everything, but I'm quite positive I'll never be looking to suppress anything but varmint rifles. The smaller bore is slightly more effective.
This one does not take down. Fully welded, all titanium. Should not ever need cleaning. But if it does, fill it with solvent, let it sit and blow it out. Or use a hypersonic unit.
The rimfire can I have coming can be easily disassembled for cleaning however. Rimfires are filthy and suppressors used with them do need periodic cleaning else they fill up with crud and lose effectiveness.
The only reason I got a separate rimfire specific can, really. It will see at least ten times as much use as the big one. My kids are going to go crazy with it. I might too . A sage flat full of jackrabbits, a suppressed semi-auto .22 Mag, can't wait .
Want to get my .22/45 threaded too. Not my daughters favorite pistol, she likes the Single Six, but I got a feeling that's going to change when the Ruger gets a can hung on it.
- DAA
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posted December 11, 2016 04:14 PM
Glad to hear it arrived Dave. There must have been a rush for suppressors around the time you ordered? Probably due to the upcoming election? When I cracked open the piggy bank it took about 3.5 months.
Anyway, yeah, the reduced recoil was a serious added bonus and something that I didn't realize would be that noticeable, until I shot.
After running it on my 24" 22-250 last year, I had the barrel chopped this summer to 20". Lost 130-140 fps. But it does feel a whole lot more balanced now for packing and shooting of sticks.
Like you said, it puts the fun back into shooting again. It does make an un-suppressed rifle sound extremely loud though. Almost make you flinch loud.
Last summer, I was shooting some squirrels with my 223 suppressed and grabbed the HMR for a shot or two and was shocked at how loud even an HMR sounds when compared to the 223 suppressed.
I'm saving my dollars and plan on doing some rimfire stuff in the future, but dang, it all costs.
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posted December 11, 2016 04:42 PM
Now I am really impatient. My form 4 was sent in about the same time as yours. They cashed my check on April 14. I called the BATFE the other week and they said still pending.
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posted December 11, 2016 05:41 PM
Do you have more details on the 243 AI?
Action configuration, scope, trigger and stock model?
Barrel specs, etc.
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posted December 12, 2016 05:56 AM
Shoot me a note, daveslc at hotmail and I'll dig up any info you want on it. Basics though:
Nesika K (Poulsbo not Dakota)
Jewel HVR
Lila LV, 13T, 29" w/4" (I think) extra straight shank
Shehane Tracker
Nightforce BR 5.5-22x56
Kelbly rings, custom milled in place on action base
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posted December 12, 2016 10:57 AM
Beautiful rifles, Dave! I have fond memories of that .22BR...
Cool to see another dude get into a suppressor. Can't help but feel a tinge of jealousy, though!!! I'd be all over one, if it weren't a felony here. So stupid, but what else is new?
Have fun with re-visiting the .20-250! I know whatcha mean about some rifles having a 'nasty' crack to 'em. Looking forward to some cadaver pics w/forensics on bullet performance...
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posted December 12, 2016 11:16 AM
Yes, I'm selling all my junk and waiting until Dave wants to get rid of something. He's a first class kinda guy.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted December 12, 2016 12:34 PM
What do you use for sights on a Ruger 22/45 wih a suppressor? Scope or red dot that can be raised to see over the can or are the .22 suppressors small enough to use stock sights?
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posted December 12, 2016 01:15 PM
Stock irons will work fine.
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posted December 12, 2016 02:04 PM
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Took what was an unpleasant shooting experience and made it pure fun.
Yip, that's what I've been saying for years. And you too will be putting more fur in the back of the jeep because of it, without a doubt.
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posted December 12, 2016 03:28 PM
Hot dog, I called f-troop today, and the nice lady said my form 4 was approved 11-27-16. However my FFL says he hasn't received it yet. damn!
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posted December 12, 2016 04:46 PM
TR, I do believe so!
Dan, that's good news! Mine was approved 11/23 and my guy got it 12/5. Would imagine yours should be this week .
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posted December 12, 2016 06:10 PM
The whole bureaucracy thing pisses me off. You go out and buy a friggin' AR10 that can kill 50 people, in Orlando not even that deadly and I think you can walk out the same day with it.
But for a stupid suppressor, it's way overpriced and the idiotic tax on top of it, and you have to wait 6 months?
Something stinks about the whole situation!
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted December 13, 2016 06:48 AM
yeah it stinks. There is hope that some day a guy will be able to walk in a shop and in a short period of time walk out with a new suppressor. I'm not holding my breath though.
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posted December 14, 2016 01:52 PM
Sure wish we could get suppressors in Canada, I'm 38 and ears are facked. My hearing feels perfect untill there are competing sources then I can only hear the loudest whatever that may be.
Also having to part out and sell a lot of stuff I never thought I would have to due to ...life. Lawyer bills. Anyhoo have three young daughters under 5 and I'm not gonna stress about it. Pretty sure if I sold my .17-204, 22-243win and ASI mini 14 I would shoot as many or more with a Stevens 22-250. Rifles will be last to go tho haha.
We had one year at the farm where two half tonnes and a Freightliner road tractor all burned and all were complete losses. At least you caught the Jeep before things got too bad. I was driving an old L9000 a few falls ago and the cab started filling with smoke. Someone had wired something in direct without fuses. Only a couple wires damaged but a scary feeling all the same.
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posted December 14, 2016 03:38 PM
Well, good luck with the domestic situation, Amigo. At least you can sell your stuff, could be worse.
Wanting a suppressor is one thing, kind of a luxury item any way you slice it.
But, how do you really feel about your government's restrictions on handguns. That's something that would bother me a hell of a lot more than a suppressor.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted December 15, 2016 08:08 AM
Interesting conversation...I shot my first suppressed firearms yesterday.
Was out on a farm inspection, and one of my guys has spent a stupid amount on cans the last couple of years.
I shot a Ruger 22/45 Lite with a can that weighed around 6 ounces, I think? Really cool. With the CCI Suppressed rounds, it was very quiet.
We took that can off of the pistol, and put it on a Savage .22 bolt gun. The only thing I could hear in the rifle was the firing pin fall, and then see the bullet impact the back stop.
Pretty neat!
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posted December 16, 2016 08:43 AM
Thanks Leonard I was vague in my comments, things are actually really good here with me just got some legal bills. Three babes and fiancée, things are fine just bills.
How I feel about not being able to do anything with handguns except driving directly to a registered hand gun range and straight back home. It sucks but that's all I've ever known I would love to hunt, recreationally shoot and or conceiled carry but we can't.
Personally I would rather have suppressors as my hearing is getting poor and I live in the smallest province with the densest population in canada so it would be a huge benefit to me.
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posted December 16, 2016 11:03 AM
This is just my opinion. I'm not a professional audio person but I am afflicted with Tinnitus and I know what it's like with the constant ringing. I don't think it gets worse, whether it's from unprotected rifle and pistol discharges or cannon. Once those little cilia start vibrating, they never stop and they can't wiggle any faster than they already are. So, if you have this type of damage from firearms at that dB range, I don't think it can get any worse by being subjected to more of the same?
What I mean is, My hearing has been shot since the military and I really don't think it has become any worse because I hunt without protection. Of course, I wear plugs at the range. Any additional loss I have suffered is a result of natural aging, like the reason why people start needing glasses when they get to be 50 or so.
The frequency of the firearm discharge is supposed to be about 160 dB, right? When you get that permanent damage and the ringing never stops, you just have to ignore it. But two or three more rifle shots won't change anything, nor 20 or 30 more. You already have that vibration and you won't activate 50,000 MORE hairs, all you have is already wiggling their little butts off. Your damage is permanent and it won't get MORE permanent because you killed a coyote without earplugs.
Anyway, that's my half-baked opinion. Which is; now that you have managed to injure your hearing with gunfire, or even loud rock music, you won't save what you have left. It's gone! That frequency will be with you, same ringing for the rest of your life. It won't get louder, either. It is actually called INTERFERENCE, not hearing LOSS.
You won't be saving what hearing you have remaining by using a suppressor. There are reasons to use a suppressor, but saving what's left of your hearing ain't one of them.
I invite opposing opinion, of course.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted December 16, 2016 11:17 AM
Saving hearing is the biggest reason I got one.
I have tinnitus too. Not the same thing, exactly, as hearing loss. It ain't about the hairs wiggling, it's about the hairs dying. You're never too old to kill a few more, or try and prevent it.
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