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Cdog911
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posted September 07, 2016 03:53 PM
Leonard, I know you locked the .223 thread, but there were questions from you and Nick I felt compelled to answer.
You first, I've been reloading for a couple years, but not much. The one thing that kept me out of it when I was shooting the 22-250 only was the fact that I could buy BVAC loads, once fired brass, for $16/ 20 round box. Their load was a 55-grn Vmax, which I like, was loaded to only run at about 3150 from the muzzle versus 3600 for anything else, and they grouped consistently with five rounds under a nickel at a hundred yards, often with all five touching one another. Hard to beat that price with that accuracy and the slightly slower velocity made for a relative fur friendly round. Worked well for me out to, and in two instances, exceeding 400 yards. Beyond that, I just don't feel your standard 22-250 round retains enough kinetic energy to do the damage necessary to anchor a coyote. Others' experience may be different. BVAC went out of business and I found myself needing to load my own for that rifle rather than pay the excessive prices for off the shelf, so I bought a reloading set up and spent a lot of time on the phone with Q learning what not to do.
When I got the AR, I immediately began shooting the same 55-grn Vmax because I like the round. As I stated in the other thread, I focused on making each shot accurate to avoid just blowing up ammo. My gun is actually a fancy, fast-loading single shot. In fact, quite out of good habit, I often automatically flick the safety into the "on" position immediately after I shoot. Good habit to have, except that I end up having to disengage the safety for the follow up. Such a good bad habit that I choose not to break myself of it.
Yes, I do police all my brass. They're generally lying about five feet forward and to the right of where I had the ejection port when I shot. Few rattlesnakes here in the fall and winter and looking only takes a a few seconds. Usually end the season with .223 brass all over the house, on top of the washer and dryer, in every ash tray and cubby hole in my truck, down the defroster vents, yada, yada, yada. The rounds I'm presently using are the balance of 1500 rounds of once-fired brass I bought from a distributor/ loader. They are highly consistent and uniform in performance. Which I very much like. I presently have 400 brass primed and ready to reload when I get a chance to work up a load for this rifle. I still have about 450 of the other loads to go before I need them, unless the revolution starts sooner than anticipated, but I have a K of FMJ rounds for that. Have about five plastic coffee "cans" full of brass needing prepped.
To Nick, my platform is as follows, DPMS lower (aside from Rock River, almost all lowers are made in three different foundries. Mine is an Anchor Harvey lower, according to the foundry mark on the side of it.)
My upper was made by Black Angel out of Sedalia, MO. Their logo is unique and it took me over a year before I finally stumbled upon it on the front cover of a Cheaper Than Dirt catalog.
My barrel is a heavy .9985" stainless, 16-inches long, 1:8 twist with a Witt Machine muzzle brake that adds two inches to the barrel length. Recoil control isn't such a big thing with AR's, but the extra 2 inches did a lot for downrange accuracy. I was really surprised.
Had the factory single-stage trigger replaced with a two-stage because I'm a freak and like the extra creep to let me know when the bang switch is ready to go off.
One thing we did discover through trial and fuckup with this rifle and a friend's with the same length barrel is that you can't really zero them at the standard 100 yards. We did that and never seemed to get what we needed from them. Quite by matter of WAG, we reduced that distance to 60 yards for the 16-inch barrel, dead nuts, and they were driving tacks out to 250-ish. Once I added the brake, I adjusted to zeroing at 65 yards for the same reason.
If you have never built an AR before, I have learned you need someone that knows the engineering to get things perfect. My gun plumber was in charge of the First Infantry Division's small arms armory and knows more about these rifles than I could ever learn. He started telling me about gas tube port diameters versus length, versus gas block position versus this and that. He's a good guy, never without a stogie hanging outta the right side of his mouth (typical Army Seargent) and I traded labor on my trigger install and having a rail attached to the forearm by giving him four Ghurka Beast cigars from my humidor (too potent for my tastes). He was happy and so was I.
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Leonard
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posted September 07, 2016 06:03 PM
I don't have a problem with you responding. God knows, I allow threads to go on forever, but I just wanted to stop the senseless attacks over stupid shit. I'm guessing Tom has a personal issue with me, but it's one sided because I actually like the guy, but at this point, fuck him.
Saving brass can get out of hand and you are approaching the practical limit. In comparison, I seldom have more than 200 rounds, in some cases maybe 400 but by the time they are sorted and all that you don't really need X number of coffee cans full of assorted brass you might never use. I would much rather recycle 200 round ten times than have several thousand with different headstamps.
Anyway, you lost me about something you said 22-250 versus ? velocities?
I think I made it very clear, whatever you are doing, if it makes you happy, I have better things to worry about. I guess I should have stressed a little more clearly that my opinion applied to everyone involved. If somebody wants to belabor the point after I already could care less what you guys use on coyotes, it only aggravates me but fear kripes sake, use whatever you got. In the case of the contrary Okie, nobody was listening, so unfortunately, I did what he wanted done. I take a lot of shit but sometimes its hard to figure out what the hell, or why I bother? I hate this stupid quarreling but it comes with the territory when there are zero restrictions, it depends on self moderation.
If he were to admit being out of line and kiss my ass, I'd probably let him back in?
Nah, just kidding! He's got some kind of hard on for me? Like they say, it is what it is. R.I.P. Tom64 we hardly knew ye!
Good hunting. El Bee
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4949shooter
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posted September 10, 2016 05:32 AM
Thank you Lance.
I appreciate the info on zero also. My R-15 is zeroed right now at 60, and will stay that way.
Just wondering of your AR buddy would be amenable to having his email address given out? I have a friend that is doing a build and would like to ask him some questions. If not, I understand of course.
I have one last question....the bigger coyotes that run in the northeast here....how would the .223 be on performance compared to the size coyotes you have out west? I know Tom said he had a 200 yard minimum.
Fred uses a heavier cartridge and Cal likes the .204, but realizes the shot here in NJ will be shorter and I will use what I already have.
I am dusting off the .243 model 700 just in case.
I do appreciate all the input.
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Leonard
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posted September 10, 2016 07:30 AM
49, there is just so much you can take out of context. Really, (no offense) it's silly to think that you may need a more potent cartridge for eastern coyotes.
Remember Victor telling us that he killed his recent mule deer stone dead with a 223? A 223 will kill, all things being equal, any coyote that ever lived.
I can't believe I said that?
The problem is, with 100 examples, you start to see a few weaknesses. But, in general and given the right bullet, and assuming you have a favorable presentation, he's going down and he "might not" get up: 92.5 X out of 100. Let's see, that's one out of ten is a runner, right?
That's good enough for horseshoes, ain't it?
Good hunting. El Bee
PS that fuking okie is going to wish he could jump in here! (just kidding)
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posted September 10, 2016 08:32 AM
Correction Leonard. In the past, I used the .223 for most all my hunting needs; deer, antelope, coyotes, cats, fox and javelina. Now, the .223 is to much gun for what I do and how I hunt now. I killed that mule deer buck with my current coyote rifle, a short barreled .17 mach4, using a 25 grain Hornady HP bullet.
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Leonard
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posted September 10, 2016 08:59 AM
My mistake, I stand corrected!
But, it's all relative. As I might have mentioned a while back, I killed a 200 pound hog the same stone dead with a single shot from my 223Ackley. While she was munching bait. An ideal presentation, (if admittedly) very murky through my 2.5X8 Leopold. But, she died with a marginal cartridge much like people die every day, shot in the chest with a 22 rimfire. So, dead's dead, who's to say what's adequate. Well, I do. For me, I know what I want. As exmilitary in my thinking, I want overwhelming force, not equality.
Anyway, the old argument about what actually is lethal, hyper velocity, or caliber? A lot of people think the hundred year old 45ACP @750fps is a lot more lethal than something lesser, like 9mm Parabellum. Dead might be dead, but I go with percentages. Fuck those needle guns.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: am I to assume that you sold that 19 Calhoon? I kinda wish you had offered it to me!
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posted September 10, 2016 09:01 AM
Bought a R-15 in .204. Can't get it to group. We did change the trigger to a timney and it helped some. Have loaded different loads, bullets and so on and so forth.
The rifle likes store bought ammo. We've come to find out we are not AR people. Hope to sell the dang thing one of these days.
Not trying to take away from this topic, just my 2 cents or should 1.5 cents worth.
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Leonard
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posted September 10, 2016 09:18 AM
Yes, there appear to be many "AR people" these days.
While you may never come to appreciate what it offers, there must be an explanation for it's inaccuracy? Is this open sights, or are you using a proven, quality scope?
If it seriously doesn't group, (for the sake of argument) say 3" then you have a legitimate gripe and you might take it to where you bought it for consultation. Unless it was a private sale?
Other than that, most factory ammo is at least adequate. So, WAG, the barrel may be at fault and you may require the assistance of somebody with a bore scope to see if there might be a machining problem... or maybe the crown has a nick?
If you know the twist, you need to be selective on your bullets. I'm not really up to speed on 204 but if the rifling is rather slow and you are using a heavy and long for caliber bullet, that may indicate that you aren't stabilizing the bullet adequately?
Hard to say but it's probably fixable, in some manor? It's hard to fix if you aren't cut out to be "AR people" in the first place. I almost think we would have been better off without them, in the first place? Why not a Mini 14 in 204, it just doesn't scare people like does the black gun?
Anyway, sorry to hear of your problems. Maybe somebody here can help? Don't worry about being off topic, we are far past worrying about details like that.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted September 10, 2016 02:45 PM
My experience with an AR in 204 was two shots same hole then a flier I tried everything from one end to the other could not get it to shoot. sold it to a happy man in Texas online after explaining what I went thru.
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posted September 10, 2016 02:55 PM
Nick, remember an ARs scope height above bore is in the 2.5" vicinity. So, a 60yd zero might put you a bit higher than you'd like in the 100-150 yd range. IIRC, I ran my ARs all zeroed @ 200yds. That translate to a close range zero of ~50yds. And I was never more than 2" high in the 150-175 yd range. May not seem like much difference, but it can be. Just make sure to shoot out a couple hundred yards to see where that 60yd zero is truly hitting out there...
Also, I'm perfectly happy carrying my lil .17 Predator or 6x45AI here at home. That badazz .22-243AI is more ideally suited to the big wide open of the Plains, for the ballistic advantage as much as the killing power.
Funny, if you neck a .223 case up or down, both seem to kill coyotes better than the parent case does? Least in my small sample size, they do. Could be the hopeless wildcat romantic in me ? ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
P.s.
My AR .20TAC was a friggin nail driver. Just sayin, it ain't the platform itself that makes an AR shoot like shit...
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posted September 10, 2016 06:29 PM
I hear you Fred. Unfortunately decent places to shoot rifle are getting scarce over here.
My buddy has 60 yards on his property, for shooting safely. I might be able to stretch it out a little.
I might use the R-15 for the woods, and bust out the .243 for shooting across fields.
Anyways, I am exited about the prospect of finally being able to hunt predators with a rifle here. Now...only if they would add bobcats to the season, and allow predator hunting on Sundays!
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posted September 11, 2016 07:36 AM
LB, it has a Nightforce scope on it.
Just don't like all the noise the thing makes.
It will group around 1.5" or out to 2".
It shoots store bought ammo around the 1.5" groupings. Reloads it does the 2" groups.
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posted September 11, 2016 07:53 AM
Okay, appreciate. That may be all you can expect out of that gun? Probably sell it, you're not too enamored of it, in the first place?
Good hunting. El Bee
PS it's still good enough for minute of home invader....
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posted September 11, 2016 11:25 AM
Prefer 00 buck out of a 12 guage.
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posted September 11, 2016 02:31 PM
Really, there are no outdoor rifles ranges anywhere near you?
I can empathize, but there are still a couple 2-300yd public ranges on LI. And, a few private clubs as well...
Check your ARs ballistics on a program. The difference between a 50-60yd zero might only be 6-8 (1/4moa) "clicks". But @ 200 yds, that amount of correction = 6-8" of vertical deviation in impact.
It's the rather extreme scope height of an AR that causes this. That's why I've always found it advantageous to confirm and ''zero' my ARs @ 200yds. Inside of that range, it's a no-brainier to hold right on without fear of whiffin' one high...
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posted September 11, 2016 03:54 PM
You know what I'm thinking?
Well, New Jersey may be a wonderful state, but the Democrats have been in control there forever, if I'm not mistaken?
So, is part of the reason why you can't find a place to shoot that's over 60 yards, because of anti gun regulation?
I can't complain, things are going that way in this state, as well but the difference is we still have some wide open spaces, thank God.
We must defeat Hillary, friends!
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted September 11, 2016 06:48 PM
I'd go batshit crazy with all those East Coast rules and regulations. We may be everyone else's idea of the national crapper here in flyover state, but we have a lot less rules. Just today, two nice people tried to abduct a baby right outta the shopping cart in a WalMart parking lot. Hit the mom over the head and, while trying to grab Junior, a good Samaritan stepped in and they shot him, multiple times. A law abiding Kansan with his handy sidearm then jumped into the fray. Bad guy shot at him, good guy killed him deader than shit. Other bad guy runs into field by Wally World and PD dog sniffed him out. Everyone is healing nicely, except for the dead guy - good riddance. Media was trying to make a big deal out of whether the good guy ad a CCW permit. Shiiiiit, we don't care no more. Don't need one. did the right thing. People wonder why I carry when we go grocery shopping..... because, the world's full of shitty people.
Nick, don't know how they'll perform on NJ coyotes because I haven't shot one. We've knocked out 50# KS coyotes with them, one shot, but as always, you gotta hit 'em in the right spot. I haven't put mine on paper at 200 yards, but I have a pile of fur that affirms to me that anything out to 200, fire on fur.
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posted September 12, 2016 12:09 AM
CDude;
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The running gag here in Az, when someone notices you carrying a handgun is;
"Expecting trouble?"
and the correct answer is;
"If I was EXPECTING trouble, I'd be carrying a shotgun. The handgun's just in case trouble stops by to say 'Hi'.
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posted September 12, 2016 03:28 AM
Here's a list of Both public & private firearms Ranges in NJ, via quicky googley search:
RTSP
961 Route 10 Unit 2F Randolph, NJ 07869
(973) 434-7600
Indoor 25 yard range, rentals available
$20/hr. handgun, $25/hr. rifle, $10/hr. rentals
Ft. Dix Range 14
Bldg. 9060, Ft. Dix, NJ 08640
GPS coordinates: 40.00115 N 74.545664 W
(609) 562-4676
Outdoor 200 yards rifle, 50 yards pistol
Skeet/Trap
$60/yr. membership + $3/hr. shoot
Cherry Ridge Range
100 Range Road, Highland Lakes, NJ 07422
(973) 764-4100
Outdoor range, 50 yard pistol (covered), .22 rimfire silhouette 35 yards
50 yard rifle, 100 yard rifle, 200 yard rifle, 300 yard rifle, skeet/trap (all covered)
archery
Annual Adult (18-59) $175
Annual senior (60+) $135
annual jr. rifle range use (10-20) $65
Family: member, spouse, kids under 21 $275
family: member $60+ $200
lifetime membership $1500
Central Jersey Rifle and Pistol Club
168 S Stump Tavern, Jackson NJ 08527
(732) 928-9334
Outdoor 50 yard pistol, 300 yard rifle, 50 & 75 yard multipurpose ranges, skeet/trap, archery
Indoor 50 foot pistol range
$400 initial fee + $250/yr.
The Bullet Hole
78 Rutgers St, Belleville, NJ 07109
(973) 759-3968
Indoor 25 yard range
Prices not listed
South Jersey Shooting Club
840 Piney Hollow Road Winslow, NJ 08043
(609) 704-9500
Outdoor 25 yard rifle/pistol, 100 - 300 yard rifle
$250/yr. + mandatory NRA membership
Shore Shot
730 Airport Rd #4 Lakewood Township, NJ 08701
(732) 905-6888
Indoor 25 yard range, rentals available
Rates vary
Old Bridge Rifle & Pistol Club
Maple St Old Bridge Township, NJ 08857
(732) 360-1987
Outdoor ranges, indoor 25 yard range
Brick Armory
1955 Swarthmore Ave # 1, Lakewood Township, NJ 08701
(732) 364-3500
Indoor 25 yard range
$21-$25/hr.
Lake Island Rifle & Pistol Club
30 Sharot St, Carteret, NJ 07008
(732) 969-9817
Indoor 25 yard range, .22 rimfire only
$100 initial fee + $60/yr.
Mullica Hill Rifle and Pistol Club
Mile Marker 6.5, near Rte 347, Maurice River Twp, Cumberland County, NJ, 08332
Outdoor 200 yard rifle range (covered); 2, 50 yard rifle ranges (uncovered); 25 yard pistol (covered)
Skeet/trap (bring your own thrower)
Picnic facilities including grill
Hunting land for members, selected through lottery
$200 first year, $100 each additional year.
Mallard Trap Club
24 Monroe Blvd,Monroe Township, NJ 08831
No phone number listed
Trap only, two singles and one doubles house
$100 initial fee + $50 annual
Members: $3.50 / $7.00 (Singles / Doubles Round)
Non-Members: $5.00 / $10.00 (Singles / Doubles Round)
Junior Shooters: $4.00 / $8.00 (Singles / Doubles Round)
Cumberland Riflemen Inc.
4030 East Main Street, Millville, New Jersey 08332
(856) 327-0345
100 yard rifle, 600 yard rifle, pistol
$200 initial fee + $100 annual
Tenafly Rifle and Pistol Club
157 Grove Street, Tenafly, NJ 07670
(201) 567-5695
Indoor 25 yard pistol, indoor moving target gallery (.22 CB only)
$300 initial fee + $150 annual
Bob's Little Sport Shop
316 Delsea Drive North,Glassboro, NJ 08028
(856) 881-7575
Indoor 25 yard pistol
$25/hr.
Phillipsburg Pistol Club
25 Howard Street, Phillipsburg, NJ 08865
(908) 454-1232
Indoor 50 foot pistol, outdoor 75 foot pistol & shotgun (covered)
$90 initial fee + $65 annual
Delran Junior Marksman
Taylors Ln, Riverton, NJ 08077 (located on unnamed road off of Taylors Lane)
GPS coordinates: N40 01.146 - W74 58.806
No phone number listed
Outdoor 25 yard pistol (covered), outdoor 50 & 100 yard rifle (covered), .22 rimfire silhouette range, air rifle silhouette range
Trap, Archery (outdoor)
Junior membership: $50 smallbore rifle, $50 service rifle, $50 Trap (all annual dues)
Senior membership: $60 initial fee, $50 annual
Shongum Sportsmen's Association
363 Janes Chapel Rd, Oxford, NJ 07863
(866) 746-6485 or (908) 637-4991
Outdoor 100 yard pistol, indoor 50 foot pistol
Trap, archery (outdoor)
$150 initial fee + $205 annual
Hague's Indoor Range
700 Crown Point Road, Thorofare, NJ 08086
(856) 251-9099
Indoor 25 yard range
Rentals available
$30/hr. range use, $30/hr. rental
Thunder Mountain Trap and Skeet
1 Morris Rd, Ringwood, NJ 07456
(973) 962-6377
Multiple Skeet/Trap fields
$9/25 clays
Wayside Skeet Club
Gun Club Rd, Asbury Park, NJ 07712
(732) 922-1292
GPS coordinates: 40° 15.069N - 74°04.710W
Trap/Skeet
Membership: $250 first year, $225 annual
Members: $3/round
Non-members: $5/round
Pine Belt Sportsman's Club
377 Stokes Road Shamong, NJ 08088
(609) 268-0237
Trap/Skeet
Membership $50 annual
Meadowbrook Rifle & Pistol Club, Inc.
88 Vanorden Rd, West Milford, NJ 07480
(973) 728-8550
Outdoor 25 yard Pistol, outdoor 50-100 yard rifle
Muzzleloading, trap/skeet
Contact club for membership information
Square Circle Sportsmen of Camden County
97 Clementon Road West, Gibbsboro, NJ 08026
(856) 435-9722
Outdoor/indoor 25 yard pistol, outdoor 100 yard rifle, archery, trap/skeet
Contact club for membership information
Hercules Trap & Skeet Club, Inc.
187 Weldon Road, Lake Hopatcong, NJ 07849
(973) 252-9105
Outdoor 25-50 yard pistol, trap/skeet, archery
Contact club for membership information
North Jersey Clay Target Club/North Jersey Gun Club, Inc.
488 Horseneck Road, Fairfield, NJ 07004
(973) 227-1139
Trap/skeet
Membership $50 initial fee + $150/yr.
Monmouth County R&P Club
GPS coordinates: +40° 11' 37.96", -74° 8' 27.99"
Fax: (732) 899-7111
Outdoor 50-100 yard rifle, outdoor 7-25 yard pistol, trap/skeet
Contact club for membership information
Citizen's Rifle and Revolver Club
271 Princeton Hightstown Road, Princeton Jct, NJ 08550
(609) 799-9890
Outdoor 50 yard pistol/smallbore rifle, outdoor 100 yard rifle, indoor 25 yard pistol/smallbore rifle
Trap, archery
$165 annual + 12 hours work on the range or additional fee of $180
Franklin Rifle & Revolver Association
10 Buckwheat Rd, Franklin, NJ 07416
No phone number listed
Not currently accepting new memberships, contact club for more information
Riverdale Police Pistol Team
2 Dalton Drive, Riverdale, NJ 07457
(973) 616-0374
Indoor 25 yard pistol
$150 initial fee + $170 annual
Somerset County Fish & Game
445 Milltown Road, Bridgewater, NJ 08807
(908) 685-9809
Indoor 25 yard pistol, 100 yard rifle
Outdoor archery
Currently closed to new memberships, contact club for more information
Waldwick Pistol & Rifle Club
Pennington Avenue, Waldwick, NJ 07463
(201) 444-3671
25 yard indoor pistol
Contact club for membership information
Buttonwood Game Preserve
175 Buttonwood Lane, Phillipsburg, NJ 08865
(908) 454-7116
Trap/skeet, hunting
Membership $1,700+, contact club for more information
Erbe's Sporting Clays
57 Sharon Station Rd, Allentown, NJ 08501
Trap/skeet
No additional information
Redwing Sporting Clays
317 Sooys Landing Rd, Port Republic, NJ 08241
(609) 381-1200
Trap/skeet
$25/50 clays, $30/100 clays
Buckshorn Sportsman Club
185 Hell Neck Road, Salem, NJ 08079
(856) 935-0037
Outdoor 100 yard rifle, indoor pistol, indoor/outdoor archery, trap/skeet
Contact club for membership information
Somerset County Fish and Game Protective Association
445 Milltown Road, Bridgewater, NJ 08807
(908) 685-9809
Indoor 100 yard rifle, indoor 25 yard pistol, outdoor archery
Not accepting new members as of 9/2012, contact club for more information
Clove Spring Range
44 Clove Road,Wantage, NJ 07461
(973) 875-5791
Outdoor rifle, trap/skeet
$8.75/25 clays, $59 annual membership
One Flew Over the Hedgerow
286 W Piney Hollow Rd., Williamstown, NJ 08094
(856) 728-6454
Quinton Sportsmen's Club, Inc.
346 Jericho Road, Salem, NJ 08079
(856) 935-9843
Outdoor 200 yard rifle (covered), outdoor 50 yard pistol (covered), trap/skeet, archery
Membership $86 annual
Union County Pistol Range
301 Shunpike Road, Springfield, NJ 07081
(908) 273-1129
Outdoor 25 yard pistol (covered)
$10/hr. or $10-$30 annual membership
Mullica Hill Rifle & Pistol Club, Inc.
111 Ward Avenue, Audubon, NJ 08106
(856) 546-5376
Outdoor 100 & 200 yard rifle, outdoor 25 & 50 yard pistol, trap/skeet
$100 initial fee + $100 annual
Wayside Skeet Club
621 Green Grove Road, Tinton Falls, N.J. 07712
(723) 922-1292
Trap/skeet
$3/rd. for members, $5/rd. guests
Contact range for membership information
Atlantic County Firearms Training Facility
175 Betsy Scull Road, Egg Harbor Township, NJ 08234
(609) 926-3491
Indoor 25 & 35 yard pistol range, outdoor 100 yard rifle range, 50 yard archery range
$10-$20/hr. or $30-$40 annual membership
Croton Rod & Gun Club
31 Rake Rd, Flemington, NJ 08822
(908) 782-8090
Contact club for more information
Hawthorne Gun Club, Inc.
296 Wagaraw Road, Hawthorne, NJ 07506
(973) 423-2990
Outdoor 25 yard pistol, skeet/trap
Contact club for more information
Ground Swipers Rod & Gun Club
1910 Lacey Road, Forked River, NJ 08731
(609) 693-9762
Trap/skeet
Contact club for more information
Hutton Hill Rifle & Revolver Club
Bairdmore Ave. & RR Tracks, Winslow, NJ 08095
(609) 926-1400
Outdoor 25-50 yard pistol (covered, outdoor 100-300 yard rifle (covered), trap/skeet
$45 initial fee + $225 annual
Telco Sportsmen's Club, Inc.
Columbia Avenue, Atco, NJ 08004
(856) 768-5149
Outdoor 25-50 yard pistol (covered), outdoor 100 yard rifle (covered), trap/skeet, archery
$50 initial fee + $150 annual
Bayonne Pistol Range
16th Street (between Ave. A and the Bay), Bayonne, New Jersey 07002
(201) 339-5555
Indoor 25 yard pistol
$15/hr./person
Sparta Rod and Gun Club
County Road 517 & New Jersey 15, Sparta, NJ 07871
No phone number listed
Trap/skeet
$4/rd.
Woodland Park Range
1267 McBride Avenue
Woodland Park, NJ 07424 (use to be part of West Paterson)
(888) 486-3674
25 yard pistol (13 ports), 50 yard rifle (6 ports) 50 cal compatible,
Food on premises
Firearms rentals
USANA MTC
224 Sandbridge Road
Pittsgrove, NJ 08318
(856) 358-4891
25 & 100 yard pistol/rifle, 50 yard shotgun, 25 yard indoor .22LR, trap
200 acres to ATV/dirt bike, camp, and hunt under certain conditions
Private range, will add price when they call back
And some nearby ranges over the border in PA:
Classic Pistol Indoor Range
1310 Industrial Boulevard, Southampton, PA 18966
(215) 953-7264
10, 25 yard rifle/shotgun/pistol lanes; 5, 15 yard pistol lanes
$165.00 a year handgun membership, $195.00 a year handgun/rifle membership, $15.00 an hour
Easton Fish and Game Association
395 Industrial Drive, Easton, PA 18042
(610) 559-1763
Outdoor 25 yard rimfire, 25 yard pistol, 100 yard rifle, 25 yard multipurpose range, archery
$30 initial fee + $30/yr.
Lehigh Valley Sporting Clays
2750 Limestone St., Coplay, PA 18037
(610) 261-9616
Unique outdoor clay course
$38/100 clays
Rental available, $10/rd.
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posted September 12, 2016 05:40 PM
KOKO,
I once was told that a handgun serves one purpose - to fight your way to the shotgun. The folks at the grocery store frown on me toting a short-barreled 12. They're funny that way. LOL
On a tangent waaaaaay the hell off subject, I thought of LB the other day. Was listening to NPR on my route, specifically Tech Nation. The host was interviewing a fella who is an accomplished statistician. He had just written something that had been published somewhere about how science manipulates numbers and data sets in a manner so as to skew scientific study results from the truth. Knowing how LB will jump on a soapbox anytime the unwashed are so bold as to refer to real science to make or support a point, I thought of him.
The hostess asked this fella if he could offer an example of how someone might claim a certain set of numbers says something that common sense and critical thinking would prove otherwise.
The fella says, "Certainly...... On average, all humans are born with one testicle."
One of the best damned comebacks I've ever heard. Posted it to Facebook. Still got a coupla fellas on their haven't figured out the guy's point.
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posted September 12, 2016 09:40 PM
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posted September 13, 2016 05:55 AM
Who is this LB of whom you speak?
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posted September 14, 2016 03:58 PM
Fred, great list.
I have shot at RTSP. I shoot there frequently, actually. You can shoot an AR there, but it is only 25 yards.
Cherry Ridge range is about 30 minutes from me. I used to shoot NRA High Power rifle there. I don't feel like joining for the year though. I wish you could just pay a $20 or $30 fee and shoot for the day, sight your guns in, etc.
The Fort Dix ranges I have fired at, but only professionally. I actually went to the academy there, and did all my LE6920 certification and instructor certification there. I can attest that Fort Dix is burning hot in the summer and freezing cold in the winter. That place goes to extremes.
My old hunting property I had a 400 yard shot. It was great! That is until the owner died and the property sold.
I will be using the R15 as a woods gun for the most part. When I get some money some day I will slap a good scope on the model 700 in .243.
Can't wait! I am looking at the Leupold CDS in a 30mm tube.
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posted September 14, 2016 05:05 PM
I spent about a week at Fort Dix before shipping out for Europe. Yes, in December, it was cold as hell. My impression of New Jersey comes from the time I spent there in Ft Dix.
Good hunting. El Bee
PS so, sounds like there is no 1000yard range in NJ? That must suck?
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posted September 15, 2016 09:09 AM
Yeah, one range out here is like $19 for the day, pistol, rimfire & rifle to 200yds. Not bad to test loads & stuff. Magnetospeed chrono sure makes a public range more tolerable!
Farmer has corn in behind the house upstate and it's 7' tall, so can't run my standard steel safari until it's chopped next month. Got a bud's farm up the road a click, and that one stretches to 1,300yds. Can literally pull the truck up, throw a shootin' mat down in the tractor path and have at it!
Last deer season, I sat on that farm a couple evenings with my big Norma wildcat. If a nice buck stepped out, he was gonna take a heck of a dirt-nap. Never came to pass, though. Sure is a nice place to shoot & enjoy a Sunset...
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