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Topic: name your best predator scope?
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Leonard
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posted September 19, 2015 06:45 AM
What's this about BB's? Okay, to each his own, and all that.
I switched from Federal 3" BB's to Winchester XX #4Buck. I still have almost a full box of those BB's, not much chance of them getting used up?
The first time I hosed a coyote with #4Buck, the sun was just coming up and you should have seen his guts spread all over a creasote bush behind him and directly in line with the rising sun. Now, that's impressive performance....and I still have a box of Dead Coyote at three times the price that doesn't kill them any better?
I'll say this in defense of Chad. Nevada is wide open country and it just begs looking through binoculars. Still, I carry enough crap, as it is.
Good hunting. El Bee
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Aznative
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posted September 19, 2015 07:17 AM
I have a speed bead on a super black eagle. I recently put the speed bead on and haven't used it yet. I have patterned it and adjusted the sight. What is your scatter gun setup lone howl?
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UTcaller
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posted September 19, 2015 08:20 AM
Leonard, I went to the Hornady 3" BB's last year.With absolutely no complaints. Had been shooting the Dead Coyote "T"shot. But like you mentioned, 5 bucks a shot is ridiculous. So I bought a bunch of the Hornady in boxes of 10 for around 10 bucks a box. They have those control wads that keep your pattern from really opening up. So I just use a Modified choke and it flat what's coyotes out to say 30-35 yards which is about 90% of my shotgun shots anyway much further and I like the rifle any way.
I do have a few boxes of Remington 4 buck, but they have pretty much just been collecting dust.
Good Hunting Chad
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Aznative
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posted September 19, 2015 09:01 AM
Sorry about the double post working from a phone sucks.
UT caller I'll have to try those hornandy loads. I'm paying double for the federal coyote heavyshot right now. Thanks
[ September 19, 2015, 09:03 AM: Message edited by: Aznative ]
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TOM64
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posted September 19, 2015 08:00 PM
Okie coyotes petitioned the WD saying it was unfair to use buckshot.
Illegal to use shot larger than BB on anything but waterfowl, hogs or humans here.
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Grizz
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posted September 19, 2015 09:25 PM
I have a couple of the old Zeiss straight 10 X 36 on my older Sako 22-250 and 220 Swift. A Schmidt and Bender long range 4-16 X 50 on a custom built on a Sako AII action. Several Leupold's on other guns. I mounted a Leupold VX 6 with the fire dot on an AR I'm using for daylights. Rick
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Moe
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posted September 20, 2015 06:47 AM
When I first started calling I called almost exclusively at night and the 3-9 power scope on my Sako Forester 243 was always set at 9 power.
Now days I pretty much exclusively hunt daytime and I set my scopes at 5X and don't mess with them. Well, except for one time when I had a coyote come running in across a huge dry lake in eastern Oregon. He stopped way out at 400+ yards and stood for a while. No matter what I tried he wouldn't come any closer. Then he started moving towards my downwind side and I figured I may as well try the shot. So I cranked the scope up to 12 power and used the long range increments and shot. The coyote disappeared but I kept calling and about 5 minutes later I got one in right in front of me at about 30 yards. He was sneaking in on the caller and never saw me.
I picked up both coyotes. A long shot for me is a rarity but I sure wished I had a witness that day. The long shot was made with my Kimber 84M Classic 22-250 with a 22" barrel.
As far as Dead Coyote shells go I quit buying them after having a frustrating day of losing a few coyotes in the thick sagebrush in eastern Oregon. Up to that time I used #4 buckshot and went back to it.
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Leonard
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posted September 20, 2015 09:35 AM
Quit buying them, and also hoarding them due to scarcity. And then going back to #4Buck, wondering what the big deal was? And, how can they really justify charging that much? I saw a box for $54 last time I was in Bass ProShops. Are we being played for suckers?
I will say this much. #4Buck in a 2 3/4" shell does not quite have the steam. My one shot kills is zero. Literally, every single animal required a second shot, some three more. But, the price is right, I guess? lol Maybe I'm just yanking the trigger too far out?
I will save those shells for walk outs at night on cripples. See, that's what happens when you go to a gun show and are bitten by the hoarding bug. lol
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted September 20, 2015 10:19 AM
If memory serves proper, a variable power rifle scope with 3x magnifier ( not 3 power ) loses appx 10 + ft field of view every time the user cranks up the power selector ring to the next highest power. Earlier I cited a common Leupold as one of my favorite scopes, off the top of my head the ~ 70 ft. FOV is reduced to ~35 ft. FOV at 5 power. I imagine any 5x or 6x magnifier should be considerably different , maybe for the better. My only recent hands on experience with a 6x magnifiers scope is Thomas's Leupold VX6 1x6 variable which has ~120+ ft. FOV @ 1x . I don't remember the appx numbers @ 6x tho, & I guarantee you it is a top quality scope.
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Moe
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posted September 21, 2015 06:15 AM
When the states start banning lead what are we going to do? I have a few boxes of 3 1/2" Dead Coyote shells around and I carry them to California just in case but I won't be buying any more. They certainly aren't what they're cracked up to be.
I ordered a few boxes of the Winchester 3 1/2" #4 buckshot loads from the Sportsman's Guide and they do kill coyotes quite dead but they kick like you can't believe. When I tore the rotator cuff on my right shoulder a few years ago I had to stop shooting them. 54 pellets of #4 buck in the air. I'll leave them to you young guys.
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Leonard
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posted September 21, 2015 07:05 AM
I'm using the 3" shell and if memory serves, it holds 41 #4Buck?
There again, the 3 1/2" #4Buck doesn't seem to offer any more lethality over the 3"? I'm all for hammering them deader than dead, but I don't even think it's overkill? I don't see the difference?
Same thing with Dead Coyote, difference of opinion. I think the 3 1/2" Dead Coyote kicks like hell! Much more than the 3"#4Buck and considerably more than the 3 1/2" #4Buck. But, my 835 is backbored and they say it tames recoil a bit? I don't know, it's the only shottie ![[Wink]](wink.gif) I own with a 3 1/2" chamber.
Shotgunning coyotes seems more complicated than it should?
Good hunting. El Bee
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Lone Howl
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posted September 21, 2015 07:41 AM
Shotguns...I aint buying any more DC and I cant use lead in CA, so yes..Im shooting 3" steel. It aint great as everyone knows and wants to remind me, but that is the alternative. It works fine for me if I keep the range realistic. No doubt you will have more cripples, but that is just the reality of it all. California has forced my hand so that is what I use now.
Mark
Edit: On bobcats and fox, at the ranges I shoot them in the cover I call them in, steel shreds em just fine.
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Leonard
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posted September 21, 2015 10:43 AM
CONTROL FREAKS STRIKE AGAIN !
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Kokopelli
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posted September 21, 2015 12:36 PM
I've long suspected that the control freaks couldn't care less about `lead`.
Lead is merely the means to an end.
When they went after the duck hunter's lead shot it wasn't to protect the ducks. It was to make duck hunting more trouble than it's worth.
And if you stop hunting ducks you won't be passing on the tradition to your sons & grandsons.
Then they took what they learned and waved the lead banner all over Calif. in the name of eagles, condors, prairie dogs and possibly snail darters.
These bastards are relentless and will not stop until they micro-manage every aspect of your life.
Somebody prove me wrong.
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Leonard
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posted September 22, 2015 01:08 PM
He who shall not be named took the time to write and dispute what koko says above. He says there is a valid reason for restricting lead projectiles, not to inconvenience hunters.
How could you be so misguided, Mr Roop?
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Kokopelli
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posted September 22, 2015 07:48 PM
So nice of him to take the time to check in and `dispute` me wrong.
Now, somebody `prove` me wrong.
I say again; The lead issue is just another tool of the control freak anti's who's ultimate goal is to ban hunting.
Much like the wolf reintroduction here that nobody wanted but was shoved down our throats. Just another tool to restrict and ultimately end hunting.
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Leonard
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posted September 22, 2015 09:22 PM
You got my vote
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Aznative
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posted September 25, 2015 06:24 PM
You now have two votes. Run koko run
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