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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on October 18, 2016, 06:37 PM:

This bear was killed not far from me. This is the first NJ bow and arrow season for bear since the 1960's. It looks like this incident might put a stop to the bear hunt for a while. One state senator proposed a 5 year hiatus.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/10/16/pedals-bipedal-black-bear-new-jersey-killed-hunter-state-hunt-two-legs

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on October 18, 2016, 08:57 PM:

Couple of thoughts;
(1) No good can come of naming wild animals with cute names.
and
(2) No good can come of having a bear at your mailbox !!!!

So now everyone will get all touchy-feely and pass legislation that has nothing to do with sound wildlife management.
It's a brave new world.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 19, 2016, 05:07 AM:

It's almost unbelievable, watching video of that bear walking around on his hind legs! Actually, it's more creepy than anything.

But, whoever shot the damned thing aught to have his ass kicked! Here we have an animal, injured but apparently coping by walking upright, and hasn't turned into a man-eater or any other type of problem animal.

This guy has given the friggin' bunny huggers an issue, and it's half way a legit issue. We all know how they can become unhinged over a duck with an arrow through its craw, or luring a lovable lion out of a sanctuary, they always overreact, call it MURDER, and make a big fucking deal out of it. It's the Disney Syndrome; another Mental Illness just like Liberalism.

How can you ever justify the killing of Pedals to some little girl that has a Teddybear she sleeps with? Hell, I can't justify it, and I'm fairly hardcore about these ANTHROPOMORPHISM issues. A deal like this, you can't win so why even try?

But, the asshole that shot it DOES need his ass kicked, just to thank him for his thoughtfulness.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on October 19, 2016, 05:47 AM:

any word on whether he's going for the full-standing taxidermy mount, or not???

Posted by booger (Member # 3602) on October 19, 2016, 06:00 AM:

Love your sense of humor, Fred!

When I teach ethics in Hunter Education, I remind students that not everything that is legal is ethical.

The challenge you face is having someone afield with ethics that say...'If it is legal, it is OK to do'.

On the other hand, the wussification of our society blurs the lines between reality and fantasy.

Everything is OK with 'Pedals' until he takes a chunk out of a 6 year old that thinks bears are the same in the Jungle Book as they are in real life.

Unfortunately, folks that call themselves 'hunters' that do this don't help the guys like us that try to do the right thing.

Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on October 19, 2016, 02:21 PM:

Had I been participating in this bear hunt, that is not the bear I would have shot.

Anyways, word on the street has it that the hunter who shot this bear had been targeting it for three years.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 20, 2016, 05:49 AM:

I can't wrap my mind around the motivation? WTF? Why would a man need to kill this animal that is surviving with such a handicap? I must be going soft?

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on October 20, 2016, 06:53 AM:

Because they all taste the same.
Mark

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 20, 2016, 07:27 AM:

That's a valid point.

But, at what cost to our image? We don't live in a vacuum, there are people out there that let us be, generally. But when it affects an emotional issue, they scream murder and we have lost any "live and let live" attitudes among those people that maybe don't hunt and just barely tolerate what we do, (you know) as long as it's legal and not offensive. I don't see where, "because they taste good" is a defense that's going to win a lot of support. There is, or should be, a certain amount of "PR" public relations in all these hunting activities because, MAKE NO MISTAKE, THESE PEOPLE WILL HAPPILY VOTE OUR RIGHTS AWAY, THE FIRST CHANCE THEY GET....AMIGO.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on October 20, 2016, 07:45 AM:

What Im not seeing in the article is that the hunter actually knew it was THAT bear. What happened? Also...authorities made the call to leave it in the wild....a very cruel place. The article is leaving a lot out, allowing everyone to make assumptions....which is probably the intent...to stir up shit.

Maybe I didnt read it well enough and Im wrong? Oh well.

But I agree. A little self discipline is in order as a hunter.

First bear hunt in 50 years..lot of trigger happy hunters around there probly?
Mark

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 20, 2016, 08:07 AM:

Did you see what 49 posted? That this guy had patterned this particular bear for three years? Probably without assurances that there would even BE an open season? That's dedication. But, the bear was a neighborhood celebrity. How does the average suburban momma explain this to the kids?

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on October 20, 2016, 08:11 AM:

Whenever 'ethics' come into play, the slope gets real greasy, real quick...

Ask yourselves this:
If that bear were killed somewhere in the backwoods & didn't have a "name", would its life matter any more/less???

The bear is dead, either way. And it sure didn't matter to the bear, whether or not he had a human fan base?
We humans have this 'thing' about prescribing a different 'value' to an animal's life, according to our personal belief system. That don't mean JACK SHIT to the animal.

Dead is DEAD. The rest is just shit to make us feel better about ourselves. Or, hold our belief system over the head of another...

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on October 20, 2016, 08:18 AM:

I did miss 49's comment on the hunter.
Mark

Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on October 20, 2016, 11:02 AM:

quote:
I did miss 49's comment on the hunter.

Word on the "street" has it that this guy had targeted the bear for three years. I have some friends that live in the area this bear lived and was killed, so take it for what it is worth.

We have had firearms bear hunts here, so he may have been targeting the bear with that in mind. Then picked up his bow since this was the first bow hunt for bear we have had in recent times.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 20, 2016, 02:55 PM:

I didn't even realize it was archery?

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 20, 2016, 05:05 PM:

Here's some anthropomorphism Vigilante justice. Also note that in the comments, one chick suggested the Dr needed an arrow through her head. This is equating animals with humans, a sick attitude. Read on~

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/10/20/texas-veterinarian-loses-license-killing-cat-bow/

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on October 20, 2016, 05:12 PM:

THESE PEOPLE ARE FREAKS ITS A DEAD FUCKING BEAR GET OVER IT ! Hey Mr. Ranger whats in the pic a nic basket Heyy boo boo its lunch!I dont know if we should Yogi. fuckin morons !

Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on October 21, 2016, 11:24 AM:

Article said she had been arrested for drunk driving in the past, with a BAC reading of .15.

That's a lot of alcohol for a small girl.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 21, 2016, 12:24 PM:

I don't have a bit of problem killing a feral cat, regardless if done with a shovel or a baseball bat or something else like bow and arrow, shot in the head or the gut. All's fair, it's a trash animal, a nuisance. It deserves no consideration about fair chase.

Therefore, this is a bogus deal, regardless of whether the chick had a DUI or whatever. She should fight the suspension, killing a damned feral Tomcat should deserve a medal, not punishment. There are no laws that protect wild feral animals and cruelty wouldn't stand up in a legitimate court of law.

On the other hand, she should have thought about it before publishing photos with a damned arrow through the head. Just because these faint hearts will come unglued over it. But, a sheriff? That guy should have told the rabble to shut the fuck up and deal with it, nothing but CONTROL FREAKS! Maybe it takes more balls than he has?

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on October 21, 2016, 01:11 PM:

She beat the cruelty charge by saying she was eliminating a feral cat, possibly with rabies, I think.

I agree Leonard. She made a big mistake putting the photo out there on social media...

You would think that someone smart enough to graduate veterinary school would be smarter than that. Oh well. She is paying the price now. Lesson learned.

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on October 21, 2016, 01:54 PM:

A wise person once said that "Common sense is a flower that does not grow in every garden".

[Eek!]

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