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Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on August 10, 2016, 05:38 AM:
It's been a long haul but I thru the switch on the solar elec. yesterday and viola it works,Huston we have power off the grid. We camped in our little trailer for a couple of months while things were getting done I hired a contractor to grade the pad and do the septic and another contractor to set and level the house. Everything else was done by myself with help from my son on his weekends he's great with electronic stuff. We have solar power ,propane gas ,hauled water in 2500 gal tank,it's amazing everything works just like it should but no power bill. We are finally on our place no mortgage . Still cancer free and loving life.we will be getting hughesnet Internet and I will be able to be back on the board without using up precious data the new scam lol. Be well talk to you soon.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 10, 2016, 07:12 AM:
That's great, Paul. Thanks for the pics. Looks like you have been very busy.
You might be giving koko ideas, who knows? He might like to get off the grid too?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 10, 2016, 07:56 AM:
Off the grid ????
I live in SAFFORD.
Our local Elect. Co-Op is fired by corn cobs and last year's cotton plants.
I have an archery range for a yard. 100 yd. max.
There's quail in my cactus and coyotes up on the hill.
Did I mention that I really like it here ????
Good to hear that Paul's doing well !!!!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 10, 2016, 09:23 AM:
Get a grip, koko. I didn't say you have to, I just suggested that you might be tempted.
Safford may well be God's Country, don't know? I think I have never been there, but sounds like I should make it a point to check it out, one day?
I just had a sudden thought; there cannot be a town in AZ that I haven't at least passed through once or twice? Including a few villages, BTW.
What is the population, while I'm pondering this? And, how much would they take for it, in U.S. currency, or Pesos?
That's no shit; corn cobs & last year's cotton plants? Is that legal?
Archery range in the front yard? So the bowling alley is out back, right?
How did you decide, anyway? A dart thrown on the map of the Grand canyon State, blindfolded? Now that I think of it, that might be a good way for me to decide!
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 10, 2016, 11:45 AM:
Out back I have a frying pan lid set up as a pellet pistol gong at 40 yards. I can get in a few shots for form while bbq-ing.
Been coming here since the Jan. '84 Javelina season. Liked the area. Liked the town. Liked the locals.
Not sure what the asking price would be for the whole town............a lot of places even have indoor plumbing !!! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on August 10, 2016, 01:32 PM:
Man... That is GOOD to hear Paul!
Don't hear enough these days that is good to hear.
Thanks for the update!
- DAA
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on August 10, 2016, 01:50 PM:
That sound s real nice Paul, and it is nice to hear from you. I've always wanted to live in the country. Being off the grid would be even better.
How do you get along with all the Mormons? You are an infidel who doesn't know better so they are nice to you because they wish to save your soul. Being raised in the Church, I believe they wouldn't treat me as good as they do you because I should know better. I'm sure they would get pissed seeing me buy liquor at WalMart.
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on August 10, 2016, 02:43 PM:
Hell... I'm a fucking atheist living in the center of their stronghold. And they treat me pretty decent for the most part.
There are definitely a few quirks, downsides. But overall it's worth it. They keep it pretty nice around here. I'm willing to put up with a few snobby fukwads here and there for the overall quality of life in a heavily Mormon community.
It ain't like living under the rule of any other Christian power would be any better? They all think they know what's best for everyone. Very much like liberals in that respect,.
- DAA
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on August 10, 2016, 05:56 PM:
Very good Paul !! I'm happy for ya dude !!
Koko, I need to google Safford sounds good to me !!
Life is short my friends. Do what ya gotta' do & don't look back.
I just had a beer out my back door. Looked @ my borrowed horses swishing their tails. Goats need to be let out for awhile. I'll go play Pokémon-Goat..Lol
There's a Deere tractor with a hay rake hooked up, about a 125 yards from my house. About a 100 acres of windrowed hay down, waiting to be raked.
In my little world, New Plymouth Idaho. Works for me.
DAA- I deal with Mormon farmers every day. I have no problem with those guys.
[ August 10, 2016, 05:57 PM: Message edited by: Dave Allen ]
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on August 11, 2016, 04:30 AM:
Yup. They make good neighbors, for the most part, in my experience.
Have a few in my neighborhood that just love to surprise me with baked stuff. I'm a total sucker for fresh baked cookies or brownies and the like. Usually a couple times a month I answer the door and a neighbor just hands me a plate ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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- DAA
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on August 11, 2016, 06:41 AM:
You done good Paul! Hope you and your wife enjoy the solitude and peace of country life. I know I do, and couldn't hack living in a big city, like rats in a maze every time I hit a mall with the grand kids.
What is the situation on water on your place? to deep or just to high a cost to punch a hole?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 11, 2016, 07:49 AM:
Yeah, I wondered about that, myself? Maybe the cost of having water trucked in, versus the drilling, versus what his actual consumption is, maybe that makes it low priority, right now? Could be the water table is way down there? I know a guy that drilled and wound up with water that looked like weak tea, only suitable for flushing toilets. But, I'm betting ol' Paul has it doped out, he's a take charge kind of guy. You might want to put up some cheery curtains for the guest room in my favorite color.
You got guts, Paul! Hope it all works out for you! You certainly deserve a few breaks after all the medical.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on August 11, 2016, 08:19 AM:
Thanks guys for all the replies and well wishes. Victor the water situation is this we are the flagstone capital of the world watched a guy go thru 330 k of investors money on three separate holes the broke off bits on all three never got thru the stone there is water jus tha nobody's made it yet all our water is pumped from abou 5 miles south of us.
I don't care about any religious affiliation treat me right you will get the Same. I have many Mormon friends and some family members good folks all.
Going into town like Prescott of Flagstaff is a pain in the ass and let's me see clearly why I chose to live out hear. Still have to go to the valley to the Cancer center on ocassion can't fucking wait. All the folks in the city have me first attitude about everything from the highway to the market isle sheesh life to short for that shit. Hughesnet coming tomorrow. Wi fi woo hoo!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 11, 2016, 08:53 AM:
Be careful walking around, don't be bumping into flagpoles!
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on August 11, 2016, 11:27 AM:
Don't get me wrong, I get along with most Mormons. The ones that I have the most trouble with I'm related to.
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on August 11, 2016, 11:45 AM:
Let us know how that hughes net works for you Paul.
Considering it for our place in Nevada. If it worked well enough there, I could actually move over there when my kids are done with school.
- DAA
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 11, 2016, 01:19 PM:
That Caliente house on the hill is pretty nice, Dave. Some great hunting country and it's an awesome little town.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 11, 2016, 01:54 PM:
Dave Allen;
I brag up Safford a lot but in truth it's just a small town............. but it's MY small town and I really like it for a lot of the same reasons that Paul just covered.
Paul;
Quit gloating over access to inter-net porn and go cut some firewood.
You gonna need it !!!!
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on August 11, 2016, 07:38 PM:
Koko-Mojo
Finally got around to Safford. Looks like a fine area to me !! some of the google photos had snow on the mountains & stuff. Very nice !!
In the meantime. I'll keep mixing it up with Mormons & Mennonites in my town..
Also, It's not like, I live in the middle of nowhere. It's nice though. My place of work is outside of town & I live outside of town.
I can easily go a week without being in city limits any where.
[ August 11, 2016, 07:39 PM: Message edited by: Dave Allen ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 12, 2016, 08:10 AM:
First, I apologize if a Mormon reads what I have to say and is offended. My CPA is Mormon and I always say, if you can't find a jew, a Mormon also is sure to know the ins and outs of money.
Other than that, I always thought their religion seemed illogical? Generally, if you find somebody that is talking to God, well, you figure they are probably a little nuts. It's different when the principles are walking around in robes and sandals, for some reason?
What I find a little off-putting is the household inspections, you know, to make sure that you have stored enough water, Postum and Rykrisp. From my angle, it seems like you can't sluff off and get away with anything, you must conform. There is also some odd things about old ladies in the church services that will wash another woman's body for some unknown reason? Then there is the stand in baptisms for the folks that died a hundred years ago. The other thing people always wonder about is the "Magic Underwear".
They have never been able to explain that ambush and killing (like) a hundred people that were passing through the area and the coverup that is still ongoing and the recent opening of the faith to black people. And, all those "Polygamists" that will tell you that they are Mormon but the mainstream people have cleaned up their act. And, explain Colorado City to me? It sounds like a cult....you know?
Okay, nothing serious, but a few of those issues can cause a reasonable man to wonder? You know?
Other than that, they seem decent upstanding citizens, except for the secret rituals and the rules. Oh, and forget unemployment. They will get you a job. I have never understood how the Polygamists manage to feed 6 wives and 20 children?
All in all, it's a little difficult to understand who they are and what they do. My old girlfriend, who lived in Idaho around a lot of Mormons claimed the were extreme clannish and deceitful. She never explained what she meant, but she was very negative, said that non believers never get a fair shake. That's all rumor, but the whole thing is a bit weird.
The General Manager of the business where I worked sponsored a guy at the plant who had declined to go on a "Mission" which is actually unheard of. I think you never recover from the stigma?
Anyway, if it sounds like I'm anti-Mormon, I'm really not, but I am curious about their closed society and they are not very accommodating on that issue. Like, you will never actually get into their church and the men are all "bishops" or something? I have the impression that females occupy a lower rung on the status ladder?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by earthwalker (Member # 4177) on August 12, 2016, 08:42 AM:
I got hughes net several years back on a deal for rural areas that can't get high speed.
Only problems I've had is heavy rains or snow on the dish.
I pay $39.00 a month. Never had it shut off for over usage. They may have slowed it down but doesn't seem to bother me.
Composting toilet will help cut water usage down.
Living on a lookout for 30 some odd seasons and being in a hunting camp most of the time. We've learned to cut water usage big time.
Good luck Paul sounds like a nice area.
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on August 13, 2016, 09:48 AM:
Those are fair questions Leonard. I've wondered the same myself & don't know ? Maybe there is secret weird shit ?
I have heard about the clannish clicky stuff also. Hear about it all the time in the nearby Fruitland school system. My wife went to school there, that's part of why we didn't move here years ago.
Maybe my comments are & have been based on dealing with another breed of Mormons ?
These guys are fair to me. Understand in farming, I need them & they need me.
The company I work for is owned by a Mormon family. When I moved & began working @ this store, Fruitland. I was warned the store manager is Mormon & about all the Mormons around here.
Nine months in, no problem. The store manager, from what I hear, used to be a Bishop. His ex-son in law, yeah that's right is a salesman here. Both two of the nicest guys, I've worked around.
When I moved the deal was same pay benefits ect. I had to take on some extra debt to finance my country estate..Lol
Well, I'll be damned my Mormon boss gave me a raise three weeks ago, then gave me another last week. Go figure ?
I don't make big money doing what I do. But, several thousand more a year. I'll take it.
I'll say again. I have no problem with 'em.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 13, 2016, 10:17 AM:
Really, I don't have a problem, either. Except all the obvious weirdities. (spell checker says that's not a word)
But, as I said, my CPA is a Mormon and we talk all the time, or at least once a year. He's been ding my taxes for about twenty some years and his uncle ddi before him another 30 years. Maybe the split is 25/25 I don't know?
But, he never cuts me any slack at all, if I can't document something, I don't get it. Period.
He's actually a good guy. What more can you say/ But he's a Mormon and they are a little different. He and his wife were at my wife's funeral. They always used to make little comments about Upland being high rent district since they are in Ontario. I was a little disappointed that they didn't come to the house after the funeral, but never mentioned it. Virtually everybody else did. That's kind of a "tell" right there, you know? No doubt, you aren't one of them.
They are really decent people, hard to find fault, except...
Then there's Dave. Boy is he probably on the radar screen. There is a word that escapes me right now, for folks that deny the faith, kinda like a jack mormon. I have no doubt he knows all the secret handshakes. Then again, they say there are no atheists on their deathbed.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on August 13, 2016, 11:05 AM:
I understand what you're saying Leonard.
It's interesting my neighbor across the road, with the horses. Is a staunch Mormon. I'll talk to him 2-3 times a week & then not for a month, just depends. He's 74 & keeps talking about going on a mission.
I think that's why he keeps hinting about me getting some of his horses. His wife tells my wife she wants to go on a mission also.
They have talked about renting their place for a year. Guess the kids, ain't interested in taking care of 10 acres..Lol
They have invited us to a camp fire up in the mountains with the church & even to the church on the 4th of July morning for a breakfast. We passed. I don't know ? maybe we'll attend one of these for the hell of it ? Were just not one of them, I guess ?
On the other hand, my other neighbors across the pasture, are Mennonites. We get along great, the kids come over to visit the goats & such.
I notice when they all gather up over there, the ones, I don't know. Wont give me the time of day ? I wave @ 'em & they just stare.
I'm not big into organized religion. Maybe these groups are just good to me, is just because of AG & they kinda sorta need me ?
Whatever though. I'm good..
[ August 13, 2016, 11:08 AM: Message edited by: Dave Allen ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 13, 2016, 11:40 AM:
Looks like you are being evaluated? Fitted for that apron? New blood in town. Float the idea that you are thinking of joining that new swingers club down in Boise. That should do it. lol
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on August 14, 2016, 05:44 AM:
I'll try to add to some of your comments Leonard. In my opinion the polygamy thing started because the first two church leaders, Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, wanted a steady supply of Cute Young Things (CYT) to screw. There is a verse in the "Doctrine and Covenants", one of three books Joseph Smith wrote that Mormons consider to be on par to the bible, that says you have to marry at least 3 women to get into the kingdom of god. Also, women cannot be in any of the priesthood positions, only men. On these two issues they are on par with the rag heads.
I've never heard of women washing another woman down. I'm not saying in doesn't happen, I just never saw it or got the pleasure of doing it. I didn't stay in the church long enough to know many of the rituals that go on in the temple. Who knows if they let me wash down a CYT, I might have stayed in the church.
The massacre you are talking about is called the Mountain Meadows Massacre. They ambushed a wagon train and tried to make it look like an Indian attack. There have been two major changes in the church's policies that I know of. They are polygamy and blacks are not allowed in the priesthood. Whenever a serious or controversial issue comes up the President will suddenly have a vision where God tells the President to change the church's policy to make the controversy go away.
Many of the things that the church does is done to keep you in control. They have programs to keep young kids and teens involved. For boys it is our scouting programs starting with cub scouts up through Explorers. They have a different program for girls. Young people are suppose to go to a meeting once a week. High schoolers are suppose to go to a meeting before school which keeps you tired. They have members that are assigned to check in on other members including jack mormons like me. Although they stopped coming by decades ago. All of these things including the strange rituals are set up to keep the members busy and under control.
A good read was written by Jon Krakaurer titled Under the Banner of Heaven. It talks about a lot of the church's controversies and violent act like the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
https://www.amazon.com/Under-Banner-Heaven-Story-Violent/dp/1400032806
I know mormons are suppose to keep a year supply of food but I've have never heard that they inspect you stash.
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on August 14, 2016, 06:12 AM:
A few more things that I would like to add. My paternal grandfather died when my dad was only four years old. This was during the Great Depression so they were as poor as church mice. My dad and a mexican friend name Chico would milk ole man Irene's cow twice a day and run the whole milk through a cream separator. For their labors they were allowed to take a gallon of milk home to their families. The rest of the milk was split between wife 1 and wife 2 in a duplex style home. On wife would get all the cream for a week and then the other wife would get the cream for a week. Ole man Irene was always where the cream went.
My paternal paternal great grandfather had four wives and 27 kids so I must have a ton of cousins whom I've never met. He also went on three missions for the church to the gay bay. My sister and I found this out about 15 years ago going through my mothers pictures. We figured he married the first wife normally and the other three were offerings if he would go on a mission to San Fansisco. My mother was a little upset when I said: I can hear them saying "Go on another Mission and we will give you a fresh teenager." My paternal grandmother and an aunt were both anglos born in one of the mormon settlements in mexico. My paternal grandmother's maiden name was Crockett and a direct descendant of Davy Crockett.
The polygamists don't pay for all of those wives and kids. The first wife is married in a church with a legal marriage license. The rest of the wives are married only in the church. Then the church wed only wife goes on welfare, food stamps and today Obama care. We pay for it Dammit. How the church operates is in the book I mentioned. By the way, back in January I was driving through Safford and saw what appeared to be some FLDS which are the polygamist mormons. You can tell by their dress code. Do you know of any on the south side of Safford Koko?
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on August 14, 2016, 06:22 AM:
Too funny!
Leonard, that thing about no atheists on the death bed, that's something believers like to say, to comfort themselves. I don't think there is much truth to it though. Always makes me smile when believers say that. It's just projecting their own insecurities about their own beliefs on others, to make themselves feel better.
But, who doesn't wish this was all just a preliminary, before we get to the good stuff? Powerful, powerful deceit, upon which all Christian and a lot of non Christian religions leverage control of their members.
Many of my family members are in complete denial about me. They say to me, to themselves, to anyone that will listen, that "he really does believe". That's okay, it gives them comfort to believe that. In the same way it gives them comfort to believe in life after death. It's totally false though. I 100% do NOT believe in the Big Ghost. Don't believe in anything supernatural. Don't believe in life after death. Not even a tiny little bit. Don't see that suddenly reversing itself just because I'm about to check out.
If the Mormons start coming around, trying to recruit you, one sentence spoken in their own language will spook them off for good. Just tell them, "I don't have a testimony and I'm fine with that". The missionaries are trained well, part of the training is to insulate them from getting the wrong ideas from the people they talk to and they just don't want any truck with someone willfully denying a testimony (their term for their faith/belief).
Not too long after we moved into this neighborhood, they ganged up on me to twist my arm into being the scoutmaster. Said it was the one position that didn't require a testimony. So, I lied, told them I was a convicted felon (this to a group of about a dozen men, my new neighbors). That shut that down! .
Funniest part though, was about a month later, the bishop was visiting (asked me to cut a cast off his boys arm, which I did, using a 3" cut off wheel, put the kids arm in my bench vise, he never flinched or showed any fear - love that kid!). Anyway, after I got the cast off, he told me he KNEW I was lying about being a felon but thought it was the most genius move to get out of getting corralled into being scoutmaster he had ever seen or heard of and he wasn't going to rat me out .
- DAA
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 14, 2016, 06:38 AM:
AZ, you realize I have no direct knowledge of any of this stuff? I could be wrong on the inspections. I asked my CPA about the fact that they always wear long sleeved shirts to cover up the Magic Underwear and he said they now, in fact, have modified garments so you can at least roll up your sleeves. What I heard is that the only time they can remove the garment is for sex, but you had better get it on right after and not dally in the afterglow.
Yeah, in their services, they have rooms on the side where elder ladies will approach other women in the pews and encourage them to go into the side room to have their body cleansed. Never there, just heard about it, so probably not admissible evidence?
Actually, some of what I have heard comes from a woman I dated who was raised Mormon. Then, after 15 years of marriage, her husband left her. First priority, she went and got a boob job then completely walked away from her religion and now she has a book published. Supposed to be some juicy insider stuff. I'll look it up and post a link. Naturally, she's not welcome in the neighborhood any more.
When I was very young, okay preteen maybe, I with my family went on a tour at the Mormon Museum in Salt Lake City. They had displays of mummies, I guess "Latter Day Saints"? Most of them were doubled up, maybe all? Don't remember much else except the mummified bodies.
How many of you have visited The Polynesian Cultural Center, in Hawaii, on the north shore of Oahu? It's a very popular tourist attraction. Kind of like a miniature Disneyland. They have ?five different areas, from Tonga to Tahiti, and Samoa, anyway, most of the pacific Islands. They do different native dance routines all decked out in costumes, very elaborate. It's all done by the Mormon Church and there is a Mormon church on the property. There is a real nice show in the evening and afterwards, you will drive back to Honolulu very late, if that's where your hotel is.
It's kind of funny to see the obvious native people in costume and occasionally, you will see some white kid all decked out in tribal gear and doing the dances just like a native. Don't get me wrong, they stand out because they have white skin but they dance along with the others very well, so these kids are probably on a "mission"?
It's not really cheap, either, seems like admission is maybe $40 bucks or so? It really is something to do on Oahu, a worthwhile trip, I think. The second time, I was kind of bored, but my friend had not seen it so what are you going to do, you know? If you haven't been, do it.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: well, I looked at the book by my Mormon friend and you guys would not be interested.
edit: but you might be interested in this: Her boob job had some kind of problem? No kidding, her boobs were rock hard and I am not exaggerating. Except for the nipples, this woman has no need for a bra. Anyway, never heard of this condition before?
[ August 14, 2016, 07:07 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on August 14, 2016, 06:49 AM:
When I lived in Barstow back in the late 60's early 70's my best friends were Mormons from Beaver, Utah. Big family and as nice as could be.
But I've been around other Mormons that kept with those within their own circle of friends from the church. When I first moved back here to Oregon our next door neighbors were Mormon. The husband was friendly but the wife was standoffish and seemed upset when the husband talked to me.
We had a big boat that we kept at Newport and did a lot of salt water fishing with it. One time we caught far more tuna than we could use so I gave some of to our neighbors. The husband took it. Not more than a couple of hours later the wife showed up at our door with a big batch of cookies. I explained that I'm diabetic and couldn't eat the cookies and if they were some kind of payback for the fish it was totally unnecessary. She was not happy. I guess because we weren't part of the Mormon community she kinda resented our kindness. To me them taking the fish was doing us a favor. I guess to her it obligated them.
My friends in Barstow said I should convert but I'm too much of a heathen and enjoy it.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 14, 2016, 08:06 AM:
Az;
If there's any Poly-Mormons in this area they keep it pretty quiet.
There's some kind of Orthodox something. I see the Priest and occasionally a Nun or two with him.
Full length button down robe.
ZZ Top beard.
Nice cross on a chain.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 14, 2016, 09:46 AM:
There's some kind of religious retreat right in the middle of St David. Never paid much attention to affiliation.
The one's that kinda crack me up are the Greeks, orthodox. We went to one of their open houses in Marin, once. They, the priests look right out of central casting. But, I sampled quite a lot of greek food to know that I would never be happy in that country. Really odd stuff you would most definitely have to acquire a taste for. Probably because of that occasion, I have no interest in any food with "GREEK" in the label.
I went to a Buddhist wedding once. (my boss) It was at a temple not very far from me out by Etiwanda surrounded by a large open property. This was an Occidental marrying a Chinese. One side of the church was all white people and the other side was Chinese relatives and friends of the bride. It was hilarious because, aside from me and my wife, the white people knew all the responses and actively participated in the services, think lots of gongs, other stuff I don't remember.
But, the funny part was on the other side of the isle. These Chinese people were wide eyed, didn't understand anything that was going on. Oh forgot, this was a Japanese Temple, but still Buddhist. A sect I think called NSA? As a group, the Chinese are rather casual about religion. Unless they are Christian converts, then they sure are true believers. But the average Chinese seems indifferent to religion, hang a little charm from the rear view mirror and let it go at that.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: but, in general koko, Arizona has a lot of Mormons, but don't know how many are of the poly variety? As does Nevada. As does Idaho. As does Colorado. You know about Utah.
edit: here's an article about NSA. Yup, it's a cult.
https://freedomofmind.com/index.php/Info/infoDet.php?id=463
[ August 14, 2016, 10:04 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 14, 2016, 11:31 AM:
I think the word you're looking for is "infidel", but I might be wrong.
Eager to hear what you decided on your solar. I figured a guy bought the panels, the converter, and a house full of marine batteries and you were good to go. Went to a prepper's convention and sat in on a company out of Texas - husband and wife team - that explained what to look for and what to avoid. Bunch of stuff about square waves, etc.. Well beyond my knowledge base. Much more than I thought was involved, but I did get to see my first wood gasification pickup truck - a '72 Jimmy. Guy drove it over 150 miles to get there trailing a plume of wood smoke the whole way. Got me to thinking of a guy could rig up a twin-lung cycle cylinder head to a boiler tank (e.g., water heater tank) and create a steam engine for running things that might run from something like that. We have a big old Baldwin Steam Locomotive in town and I need to ask those guys how that might be done.
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on August 14, 2016, 07:06 PM:
Yes, let's stop talking Morons and get back to Paul's off the grid cottage. Basically, you get what you pay for when it comes to inverters. Look at wattage, voltage and true/pure sine wave vs modified sine wave. A good modified wave inverter will run most appliances but then again it may not. It all depends how many steps are used to simulate a true sine wave. Some motors, appliances with capacitors or ballasts do not like stepped wave power. Stepped sine waves look like a bunch of stair case steps. A cheap inverter will not use as many steps as a good inverter so appliances may not work at all with the cheaper technology. I am fairly confident that pure sine wave inverters and stepped sine wave use the same technology. The difference being the pure sine wave inverters uses a whole lot more steps so it looks like a true sinusoidal sine wave to the appliances. It will even look like a true sinusoidal wave on an oscilloscope. Go to this link and scroll down just half a page and it will show you a steeped wave vs a sinusoidal wave.
http://www.acousticfrontiers.com/201347how-should-i-choose-a-ups/
Editied in: The wave form of a 120v DC battery will be perfectly flat. So you are taking a straight wave and have to change it a whole bunch into a sine wave. Don't ask me how they do it.
My father was a radio man during WWII and Korea. He later became a ham radio operator and he ran a ham radio club at a grade school he taught at. Being a ham and a science teacher he also had a love for electronics and actually repaired TVs for a while after WWII. He passed some of his knowledge onto me when I was young. He gave me a good book that covered some very basic electrical theories when I was very young. He also had me build a low wattage heath kit transmitter when I was maybe 13. When I first got into automotive repair, electrical problems were so simple for me. It was just all 12v DC, except secondary ignition. Today automotive repair goes from 5v to 120 v Dc to controlled area networks called CAN.
[ August 14, 2016, 07:13 PM: Message edited by: Aznative ]
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