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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 21, 2015, 08:03 AM:
Therefore, I cannot believe two females passed the Army Ranger qualification course....without a lot of help.
No woman is equal to men in physical endurance, and no amount of political correctness can change natural facts. We must assume Obama had his thumb on the scale, and this is a situation where we have dumbed down the military. Period.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4436660052001/2-women-to-become-the-first-female-army-rangers/?intcmp=obnetwork&playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips
Posted by booger (Member # 3602) on August 21, 2015, 09:03 AM:
Had the same conversation with my wife this morning...I think it is BS...part of the new 'kinder, gentler' military.
The head of the Navy indicated they will start admitting women to SEAL training as well. I think it is bad enough ladies in the military are driving trucks and supporting the front line guys by being that close.
They have no business on the front lines, IMO.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 21, 2015, 09:09 AM:
I really have mixed feelings on this;
Lyudmila Pavlichenko comes to mind. WW2 Russian sniper. 309 confirmed kills.
But......this was an invaded country with it's back against the wall. Everyone that could fight...fought. Period.
What I'm seeing with the Rangers is a social experiment that cannot be justified by need.
Probably a bad idea in the long run.
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on August 21, 2015, 12:28 PM:
I stongly agree that there are places in the military for women. Admin, medical, cooks, etc. Not in combat roles. Women in general can not compete with men on a physical basis, obvious example are the Olympics.
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on August 21, 2015, 04:38 PM:
I mentioned this to my wife this morning and she agrees that it's odd that 2 of them would pass in the same class. Reading into the article further makes it even more suspicious since it was Obama that asked the military to start training women.
Obama has purged the high ranking officers that disagree with him out of the military. Perhaps this is the result.
Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on August 22, 2015, 03:42 AM:
My military buddies tell me there is no way those females passed that course carrying the same 60 pound packs that the males do.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 22, 2015, 05:28 AM:
I have a friend that was an engineer with the Upland Fire Department for something like twenty years?
He said they used to have to pick up a roll of hose and run with it, and it was timed and you needed to pass ....or else.
Then, there was the feminists wanting to break down barriers and get women into the fireman ranks. The only problem was they couldn't even pick up that roll of hose, much less carry it across the finish line. So, what to do? Well, you reevaluate the requirements and now we have a lot of chicks wearing the uniforms that can't do the job.
What is the job? Just like SCUBA diving, you always have a partner. If you go into a burning building, and a beam falls on your partner, you are expected to pick him up and carry his unconscious body to safety. This works in theory until the beam falls on the big guy and his partner is a 5'3" 135 lb. female. What does she do? She leaves him, goes out and gets two more men to carry her partner and by this time, all four of them are in danger as the fire has progressed.
Also, there is not a single wife that is okay with the proximity living situation in the bunkhouse. And, who can blame them since boys will be boys?
The Military Academy, West Point had a long standing requirement as part of their P.E. training. A cadet must do ten pull ups. There is probably not a woman alive that can do half that amount so what to do, since we MUST HAVE WOMEN graduate and become an "officer and a gentleman." As I understand it, a woman is required to just hang from the bar for one minute and she passes!
I heard that one requirement to become a police officer in the LAPD was that they have to climb over a 6 foot block wall. Same thing, no female can do this. So, there is a special school, instead of being washed out. A several week course in scaling block walls and still the graduation rate is microscopic.
My wife was a grocery checker for quite a few years. She severely injured her shoulder by pushing all those heavy items past the scanner, resulting in her collarbone practically disintegrating. Von's paid for her retraining, for a year she got her pay and became a travel agent, not for the money since the pay was less than half, but just because she wanted the work and the opportunities to travel at huge discounts. When she went in for reassignment the screener asked her what kind of work she would like to be retrained for and she said; BRAIN SURGERY! The guy choked, but then she mentioned travel industry, and it even included a cruise as a graduation present!
Ever notice all the girls that want to play Little League? Boys can't join the girls wrestling team, can they? There are things that men do better than women and women do better than men. I am okay with it.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on August 22, 2015, 08:01 AM:
I cant sew worth a shit , however I do cook better than most women.
Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on August 22, 2015, 10:17 AM:
Political in nature....period. Two star generals accompanying RI's during the selection process? Never before, why now. Political posturing!
I have no doubt that the two women who received their tab are probably top tier...but I seriously question the physical ability. Know several who have made it through Ranger selection and they say the same thing.
Maintain
[ August 22, 2015, 10:18 AM: Message edited by: CrossJ ]
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 22, 2015, 11:49 AM:
I'm split on this issue as well. All the work I have done since graduating college has been physical in nature (people who have known me all my life are shocked at that fact), and the women have held their own in each. I worked with female deputies and troopers, and there was no big difference in performance that I ever saw, but admittedly, these women were not petite or dainty by any means. In the USPS, as a carrier, the job is what it is and there is no allowance for gender. You have to be able to carry 70 pounds and tolerate the heat and the cold and walk through pain and injuries. I've seen former soldiers and marines bow out of carrying mail when the realized that it wasn't the cake walk they anticipated it would be.
In EMS, our entry physical test to even be considered was simple. We strapped a 180# "M" O2 cylinder to a cot and put that cot in the back of an ambulance. The candidate, along with a Tech with the department, was required to lift the foot end of the cot to remove it from the ambulance, strap the jump kit, a portable O2 setup and the EKG to the cot, wheel it into the station where they lowered the cot, then lift the total weight of the gear (about 245 pounds) and carry the whole kit and kadoodle up two flights of stairs, being at the bottom going up (and down). At the top, they had to perform one rescuer CPR on a manikin for ten minutes, then hoist the cot, carry it down the stairs (manning the lower end, foot of the cot), get it to the ground floor, raise it up to the raised (load) position, wheel it out the door to the ambulance and hoist the foot end of the cot while their partner raised the wheels up as they pushed it into the bus. I saw both men and women fail to make the cut with this one test many times. And, I was amazed at how strong some of the women who passed it were. It was about strength, endurance and technique, and the ones who passed knew that going in.
I remember when the FD's started lowering the benchmarks for entry-level jobs so women could get in. Personally, there are always challenges in any physical job that are consistent with the nature of the work. You can either meet those challenges,... or you cannot. If you can, you should be allowed to have the job regardless of your gender. If you can't, there should be no crying foul. We each have our physical and emotional limitations.
As far as concerns about fraternization, I worked with mostly male partners but did have occasion when a female Tech covered for them. Was never a problem for me as we each had our own bedroom in the station. My wife was never too concerned since she'd seen my "technique" picking up women. LOL My only concern was that they were able to do their job, and as a Captain, part of my job was to ensure that they could, and did. If they were there, they'd earned the spot. Having said that, one crew was assigned - a male and a female - and they got along so well that they eventually married. Did anything happen between them while on duty? I'd like to say that it didn't, but know better. It is and will always be a concern when you mix sexes and somehow think that emotional bonds won't override training and discretion. That is where most people have issues - can soldiers, airmen, marines and sailors set aside the deeply engrained need to be a protective big brother and treat the woman next to them on the line as an equal rather than being more vulnerable? After all, the whole idea, under fire, is to protect the guy on your right and left, let them protect you, and work as a unit. Can you do that if he's a she? I've gone through the front doors of a few burning houses with women on the hose line and won't deny that I kept a closer eye on them than the guys. Just in case. It's subjective.
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