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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on May 09, 2015, 05:19 PM:
Well, I thought I'd seem 'em all and stumbled across one today called Appaloosa and thought it was great !
If ya'll get a chance check it out.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on May 09, 2015, 05:32 PM:
With Ed Harris? Yeah good movie
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on May 09, 2015, 05:34 PM:
Yep that's the one Chad.
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on May 09, 2015, 07:36 PM:
I watched it too, I thought it was cool that Everrett (Viggo Morrison) used an 8 gauge.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on May 09, 2015, 08:17 PM:
Yeah, but have you ever seen Waterhole Number Three ???
Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on May 10, 2015, 02:29 AM:
I just watched the Appaloosa trailer. Will have to check out the movie.
Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on May 10, 2015, 05:00 AM:
Any idea why the indians prized appaloosa horses? First off, it was the only horse slow enough they could catch while they were afoot. Secondly, it made sure they were damn sure good and mad by the time they rode one to the battle!
Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on May 10, 2015, 05:02 AM:
Crossfire Trail is a pretty good one as far as westerns go.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 10, 2015, 07:26 AM:
Also, they don't need snowshoes, their hooves are the size of a frying pan.
I have always thought The Searchers one of the best westerns. Of course, you have to suspend disbelief and imagine that the Navajo Reservation is "Texas".
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by tedo (Member # 4320) on May 10, 2015, 08:16 AM:
Culpeper Cattle Company is worth checking out.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on May 10, 2015, 08:39 AM:
Another good one worth watching is Tom Horn with Steve Queen.
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on May 10, 2015, 09:38 AM:
Leonard, I think the searchers was one of John Wayne's best if not the best ?
I watched one about a month ago for the 1st time. It was good, had Lee Marvin in it.
They went into Mexico to rescue a gal who was being held for ransom. The title escapes me now ?
edit: The Professionals.
edit: Oh yeah can't forget. The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, another classic !
[ May 10, 2015, 09:46 AM: Message edited by: Dave Allen ]
Posted by trapper2 (Member # 3651) on May 10, 2015, 10:13 AM:
watched the man who shot liberty valance just the other night.
cal, my 8 yr old likes cross fire trails, and all the other tom selleck westerns.
of the new movies my favorites are monte walch, the good old boys, 3 burials for melquides Estrada, and all the pretty horses, the last one is not so much a western but I sure like some of the bucking horse scenes in it.
old ones I like are the old monte walsh, cullpepper cattle company, tom horn, most all the sam elliots.
on a side note I heard one time it took 31 different horse to make the bucking horse scene in the old monte walch with lee marvin
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 10, 2015, 10:38 AM:
Here's a vote for "3 Burials For Melquides Estrada" but it keeps reminding me of No Country For Old Men. One I think is called, "All The Pretty Horses" was interesting, if you like that chick, forget her name? Who can forget The Wild Bunch? Didn't like the way Tom Horn ended, or the double cross that got him in that fix.
Happy Mother's Day, Lance.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by trapper2 (Member # 3651) on May 10, 2015, 10:57 AM:
I have read a lot about tom horn, did some reports on him in school, I think he got set up but who knows, I'm just going by the stuff I got to read, cal have you studied up on it much? I know you are from up in that part of the world
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on May 10, 2015, 12:45 PM:
Nobody, nobody is my name.
I haven't seen that one since I was a young'n but it was one of my favorites even though I don't remember much about it now.
The Cowboys is one of my favorites and while not technically a "western" l like "the last of the dogmen"
I flipped on the tv yesterday prepared to watch cowboy Saturday and only caught the Rifleman and Rawhide then it went to some stupid movie. Not nearly enough westerns on these days.
Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on May 10, 2015, 10:04 PM:
I went on an antelope hunt in WY in 1984. Had to miss my 10 year high school reunion because of it. Tom Horn was pretty new back then, and I was, and still am a Steve McQueen fan. We hunted just outside Medicine Bow and took our kills to the local processor. His wife had grown up in the area and when I asked her, she said she had known Horn. He was popular in town, used to buy her and all the kids candy when he was in town. Her parents were convinced it was a setup.
"If I'd a killed that kid, it woulda been the best shot I ever made, and the dirtiest trick I ever pulled.
Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on May 10, 2015, 10:30 PM:
Yep, The Searchers is one of the best of all time, IMO.
Up there with The Good, Bad, and Ugly.
My Name is Nobody is good too. I never see it on anymore, for some reason.
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on May 11, 2015, 03:37 AM:
I agree with you about the "Tom Horn" movie, Leonard.
Jimzy, I stayed a night @ the Virginian in Medicine Bow & couldn't keep from imagining what kinda shit went down in/around that place in the past! Musta been the bullet holes in the walls?
Couple days ago, watched "For a Few Dollars More" with Eastwood & Van Cleef...
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on July 08, 2015, 06:15 PM:
I'm with Cable One, they changed and re-arranged a bunch of stuff.
Discovered I have GRIT TV now. Some more westerns, I never knew about. Watched JUBE the other day.
In the meantime several episodes of Laramie, including a few in black and white.
GET-TV also has some good ones, weird haven't seen a Wayne or Eastwood movie yet on these channels ? Nothin' against that stuff, just kinda' refreshing to watch westerns without those guys..
[ July 08, 2015, 06:16 PM: Message edited by: Dave Allen ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 08, 2015, 06:42 PM:
Will Penny with Charlton Heston was a bit offbeat, but I related to the location which was the Owens Valley.
Tell you what, there was a shitpot full of two reelers from the good old days. Guys like Hoot Gibson, Hopalong Cassidy, Gene Autrey, Bob Steele, Tom Mix, Lash La Rue, Roy Rogers. In the early days, on weekends, there were only two channels in Minneapolis, WCCO and KSTP, (I think?) Anyway, they started with test patterns then played "Oaters" all day Saturday. You could count on a scene where a huge posse would "head 'em off at the pass." All black and white, of course, the bad guy never won. Hell, even the Lone Ranger could keep me entertained for thirty minutes. "What mean 'we' paleface?"
But, back in the early fifties, programming heavily depended on old westerns.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Prune Picker (Member # 4107) on July 08, 2015, 09:53 PM:
Heck I watched The Shootist again last nite. Probably for about the 300th time , it ends the same way every time.
Posted by earthwalker (Member # 4177) on July 09, 2015, 03:36 AM:
Reading a book now call Summer of the Moon (I think) about the Texans and the the Indians.
The story "The Searchers" is based on the Cindy Parker story. It's a good read. When I get back on top I'll post the name of the book and author bought it at Costco.
Posted by Prune Picker (Member # 4107) on July 09, 2015, 04:42 AM:
EW, was it "The Empire Of The Summer Moon" ? If so that is one of the better books that I've every read.
Posted by booger (Member # 3602) on July 09, 2015, 05:53 AM:
I am a huge John Wayne fan...I can honestly say I have not seen 'The Shootist'. The main reason is that John Wayne gets killed...in fact, it took me a long time to watch 'The Cowboys' all of the way through since he dies in that one.
'Rooster Cogburn' and 'McClintock' are two of my all time faves...I, too, liked 'Tom Horn' with McQueen. I especially liked the ending where they engineered the gallows the way they did as no one wanted to pull the lever on him. I still think he was set up...
I also liked 'The Long Riders' with the 3 sets of brothers...Carradine, Keach and Quaid.
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on July 09, 2015, 06:25 AM:
Empire of the Summer Moon was a good read. A bit sensationalized, but, what ain't these days? The theme of the Comanche as the de facto economic power of the entire region for a hundred years - Spanish very much not withstanding - took a back seat to the "murder and rape" theme, which was a shame. A lot to learn, that could apply anywhere in the world at any time up to and including the present, in the rise and fall of the Comanche empire. And, it was, make no mistake, an empire, in the purest sense of the word.
All The Pretty Horses... I'd no idea there was a movie. Really enjoyed the first two books of the trilogy but kind of got lost in the third one. McCarthy can get that way though, lots of people got lost towards the end of No Country. Actually re-reading Blood Meridian right now, for about the third time, like it better than Pretty Horses. The Road will always be my favorite McCarthy book though.
Oh yeah, this was about movies... I almost never watch movies... Will have to see about watching Pretty Horses though.
Tom Horn... Might have been setup on the Willy Nichol deal. Might not have been. Play with fire and you are going to get burned though and he was killing for hire for the rich and ruthless and should have known they'd not leave him in a position to talk about it. They damn sure didn't hang an "innocent" man either way. He murdered plenty of folks, without ever giving them a chance. Murdered one of my personal favorite outlaws, old Isom Dart, by sniping him without so much as a "hello". Fuck Tom Horn, he got what he had coming!
- DAA
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 09, 2015, 07:30 AM:
You want to talk "books" now, tell you what, several years ago, member AR Shaw loaned me a book that was contrary to all politically correct bullshit you ever heard, or read about the "noble redman".
Title is "Indian Depredations in Texas" and gives dates like 1826-1875 ....or so? It's a compendium of short accounts about incidents involving whites and mostly Comanches. It's something like 600 pages and must be about three inches thick. You will read accounts of shootouts and cruelty that you won't find anywhere else, that's for sure! Stuff like slicing the skin off the bottoms of a white woman's feet so she wouldn't want to escape. That's hardcore.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on July 09, 2015, 07:54 AM:
Booger;
Trust me on this one; watch The Shootist.
And as previously posted, in a lighter moment; Waterhole Number Three.
Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on July 09, 2015, 08:15 AM:
A couple books that tie into the Comanches is the story of Herman Lehmann. "The Last Captive" and "Nine Years Among the Indians." "The Last Captive" brings a pretty fair price on Amazon these days.
Lehmann was captured at 11 or 12 years old by Apaches in Texas. He later took up with one of the last bands of free-ranging Kwahadi Comanches, when things went south living among Apaches.
The Indians (and the guys they fought) lived a tough and brutal life. There was no quarter given and none expected in return.
Lehmann and this small band of Comanches were eventually talked into surrendering by the Comanche chief, Quanah Parker, the son of the white woman, Cynthia Ann Parker.
It didn't take Lehmann long to become fully "Indianized", and he was just as tough and mean as those he ran with. It seems to have taken the rest of his life to re-acclimate to white culture though.
[ July 09, 2015, 08:19 AM: Message edited by: Lonny ]
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on July 09, 2015, 08:51 AM:
Dave; give All The Pretty Horses a view; possibly my favorite movie, can't say how many times Ive watched that one. Favorite McCarthy book has to be "The Crossing", it all took place down in my neck of the woods, so I recognize most of the places and descriptions of the area in New Mexico and southern Arizona.
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on July 09, 2015, 08:51 AM:
Thanks for the leads on some interesting titles!
Found full text for "Indian Depradations" book online... HERE if anyone else is interested...
Posted by earthwalker (Member # 4177) on July 09, 2015, 10:21 AM:
DAA, you are correct on the book title.
I've seen all the old westerns so many times I can quote them word for word.
McClintock is one of the better ones.
Water Hole #3 is a good one.
I guess I like the lighter westerns. Like Dirty Dingus McGee, The Dutchess and the Dirt Water Fox and so forth. Mind went blank (yeah I know it's always blank). I know there are hundreds more that are good ones.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 09, 2015, 10:33 AM:
All The Pretty Horses, was kinda brutal, especially within the Mexican prison. But, the depiction of Mexican Rancho life, I thought was fairly honest. I sure liked the scenery. Reminded me exactly like Chihuahua and Durango, not so much like Sonora, of which I am much more familiar. I just wished I could call some of those locations!
One thing about that movie. I thought Bruce Dern just about stole the last part of the movie. (played the judge) Actually, I thought it was an obscure movie, did not realize anybody else might have seen it?
The horse wrangling was really good.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: Hey, while we're at it, let's not forget all those Louie LaMour (sp) books! Man, the were great, especially Hondo and a couple others dealing with Apache's and Mojaves, or my personal favorite, the Papago. I lost interest altogether in the Sackett series. I read every single one, but not any Sackett novels. The thing is, I could see myself in many of those places, always felt that I had been there?
[ July 09, 2015, 10:41 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on July 09, 2015, 11:48 AM:
One other oddball movie that was a modern western of sorts, The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada,with Tommy Lee Jones.
Posted by earthwalker (Member # 4177) on July 10, 2015, 08:16 AM:
WOW guess I'm behind the times haven't see all the pretty horses or even heard of it.
but I don't do movie theaters either.
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on July 10, 2015, 09:40 AM:
Regardless of the authenticity of the film Tom Horn was an outstanding movie and one of Steve McQueen's better roles.
There's a lot to read out there about Horn. Half of it says he was a hero the other half says he was a villain.
I can't say if it's strictly a western but one of my favorites is The Treasure of the Sierra Madre.
Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on July 10, 2015, 12:06 PM:
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Fuck Tom Horn, he got what he had coming!
You made me chuckle, Dave. Thanks!
If we treated crooks the same way today, we'd probably live in a better place.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 10, 2015, 01:47 PM:
Best Steve McQueen movie; THE GETAWAY. Excellent.
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