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But, this is no excuse for civil unrest. Certainly no excuse for rioting. No excuse for looting. No excuse for burning businesses and vehicles.

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I don't see a logical point to looting or burning down your neighborhood either. That is just stealing and vandalism, or perhaps terrorism. I also believe there are some good LEO's out there. They may be afraid to be the next Frank Serpico. I dunno? I would only guess some of those people do not trust the police to police themselves.

Playing devils advocate here, when is it OK to revolt?

A couple philosophical questions.
1. Do you believe there ought to be speed limits/laws?
2. Do you always obey these limits/laws?
3. Do you sometimes on purpose speed and break the law?

4. If #1 and 3 are yes, why do you break the laws you believe in?
 

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Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on April 27, 2015, 08:53 PM:
 
The mayor and the chief of police are both black. Elijah Cummings, a congressman, says the ones causing the serious problems were bussed in.

Sounds about right.
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on April 28, 2015, 03:23 AM:
 
No, sorry, it doesn't sound right. It sounds like total bullshit, in fact.

Good friend just move here from Bodymore, Murderland. He lived there for decades. He's smiling right now.

But, to get his take on it, no way they bussed the troublemakers in, unless they have a mighty dang big fleet of busses!

- DAA
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on April 28, 2015, 04:00 AM:
 

 

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Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on April 28, 2015, 05:45 AM:
 
Living here in the northwest I've seen the anarchist riots in Seattle. If you go to sites like indymedia.org you will find that they organize rioters and bus them in for the protests. I've seen notices posted in local cafes telling people where to go for organized transportation to these "events." If you read about the Seattle riots you will remember the damage to businesses done by the "anarchists."

In recent history we were having townhall meetings in our communities here in Oregon. There were a lot of conservatives shut out because the unions organized protesters and bussed then in early to flood the venue so no conservatives could have their say. We went to the townhall in McMinnville and I saw it for myself.

As far as the riots go it only takes a few to ramp up the many.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 28, 2015, 06:15 AM:
 
Yeah, but I think the point DAA was making is that there was way too many of them crawling out of the woodwork, to be professional agitators bussed in from out of town. They looked like locals, to me? Of course, point well taken, it don't take too many agitators to ramp up the locals. This is just the spark that implants the idea in their heads; "Hey, let's score some toilet paper!"

I have yet to see the Tea Party riot. Maybe whatever happened in Seattle was mixed races, but rioting and looting in America is pretty much owned by the upstanding citizens in the black community.

Then, you have assholes like Shepard Smith telling us they have been mistreated, which is why 25% of them are in jail, and why they need to steal toilet paper and TV sets, then burn the drug store.

As I have said before, when they had the riots in south-central and burned, looted and trashed the whole community; here we are 40 years later and there is no businesses that have rebuilt in the area. All they have is Liquor stores, convenience stores owned by Iranians and Pakistani's who charge exorbitant prices for their Huggies and Colt45's. But, who cares when they pay with ERT(?) or whatever the hell they call the food stamp credit cards?

Want to open a Liquor store in SouthCentral? Sure, if you are a foreigner, the government will loan you whatever you need to get started in price gouging the local population. Our tax dollars at work.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on April 28, 2015, 06:58 AM:
 
We can all sit back & make logical point after point in agreement with each other, and nothing will change what's happening.

The only way to curb this type of behavior is for their to be an outcry from WITHIN the 'black community'.

Short of that, things will have to get much worse before law abiding citizens are literally forced to take measures on their own, despite any legal consequences associated to the application of them...

[ April 28, 2015, 06:59 AM: Message edited by: knockemdown ]
 

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Posted by booger (Member # 3602) on April 28, 2015, 07:06 AM:
 
Crap like this makes me glad I live in small town Kansas...John Hawkins on Townhall.com this morning summed up the situation at best.

He said the rioters need to to either be in jail, in the morgue, or on the end of a nightstick.

I think about the time someone chucks a brick at a cop and gets a .40 cal. enema, it hopefully would make the other worthless SOB's think a bit.

If they want to stop being hassled and treated like animals, they need to stop acting like animals. The lawless behavior last night makes a pretty poor argument from the citizens that the cops don't treat them right.

From what I understand, Baltimore has a black mayor and largely is a minority majority PD...
 

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Posted by cornstalker (Member # 4593) on April 28, 2015, 07:34 AM:
 
This looks like a job for the San Bernardino Sheriff's office.

Oh, and switch the cameras off this time....
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 28, 2015, 08:25 AM:
 
I can't quote exactly what that "Mayor" said right after the funeral but it was widely interpreted as "go ahead and loot and burn and we will stand around and make sure nobody hassles you while you score that toilet paper."

Yeah, sure, she backtracked the next day, she really didn't mean it was okay to trash and burn and steal stuff, but considering the nature of the audience, what they HEARD was, "Go ahead and get it out of your system, we got your back."

It's getting to be the riot of the month is coming to a town near you! HAVE FUN ! You deserve it because, (you know, slavery)

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 28, 2015, 10:52 AM:
 
If o bama had a son..........would he look like that guy with the toilet paper or the guy I saw on the news trying to break a car window with a plastic traffic cone ???


 

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Posted by Brent Parker (Member # 4354) on April 28, 2015, 10:56 AM:
 
I see both side, but ask yourself this,

Are we going to act any different when they come to take our/your guns? Civil unrest is civil unrest.

If the police would have handled this quicker would they be in this position?
 

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Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on April 28, 2015, 01:25 PM:
 
"I see both side, but ask yourself this,

Are we going to act any different when they come to take our/your guns? Civil unrest is civil unrest."

Yes. I, for one, won't be looting stores and burning down businesses.
 

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Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on April 28, 2015, 02:34 PM:
 
Let me get this straight, black mayor, black chief of police, black city council, predominately black police force, black US rep, etc... However I guess it's still whities fault.

I should have counted the liberal phrase, "it's time for healing" each time I heard it in their speech. I wonder how much it is going to cost us taxpayers for baltimore to heal?

[ April 28, 2015, 02:36 PM: Message edited by: DanS ]
 

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Posted by Brent Parker (Member # 4354) on April 28, 2015, 02:46 PM:
 
Moe,

So I suppose when the time come's to give up your gun's your going to go out and meet them and happily turn everything over because its the right thing to do. Good for you....

If you don't comply in anyway it will be no different...

As I said before civil unrest is civil unrest, its just your approach that is different.

For the record I don't agree with what they are doing,

but answer this do you think for one moment if you assaulted an officer it would take them 10 days to figure out what to charge you with.....

[ April 28, 2015, 02:50 PM: Message edited by: Brent Parker ]
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 28, 2015, 02:53 PM:
 

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edit: Hey, 4949. If you are called in, give us a wink so we know it's you!

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If the police would have handled this quicker would they be in this position?

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In today's day and age, the powers that be don't let us do our jobs.

Back in the 60's the riots were squashed by the boots on the ground. Today our hands are tied and they only allow us to stand by and "contain."
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on April 28, 2015, 02:59 PM:
 
Brent, I can appreciate your line of reasoning.
But, in this case, it's not really a parallel.

This type of behavior is a manifestation of opportunistic predatory criminal behavior. Those seen rioting have NO allegiance to anyone, or anything, but their own selfish motivations.
What happening isn't about protesting.
It isn't about bring about "change".
It's simply about acting out and creating an environment where crime, violence, & hate can hide behind a false pretense.

I wonder what would've happened to the Bundy family in Nevada if they'd started hurling bricks at LEO during their 'standoff'???
Now, there's an analogy I could see have some merit...
 

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Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on April 28, 2015, 04:50 PM:
 
God, if I lived there, I would be very nervous if I didn't own a gun!
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on April 28, 2015, 06:04 PM:
 
Off the subject, speaking of EBT cards. I noticed a Papa Murphy's add tonight. I don't know if you guys have 'em or not ? They're a take-n-bake pizza outfit.

Anyway in the LH side of the TV screen, I noticed EBT ?

So, If'n ya gots an EBT card, go gets ya's a nice convenient premade pizza !!

No need to take away from time well spent time watching TV or playing with a high dollar cell phone or any such other productive activities.


 

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Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on April 28, 2015, 07:15 PM:
 
"But, in this case, it's not really a parallel. "

Precisely.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 28, 2015, 08:08 PM:
 
Yeah, i sorta see the point brent is trying to make. But the only cimilarity is a disagreement with authority. After that, i see no sense of justification for burning down the city versus defending yourself against confistication of your rights under the second amendment. No, i can't put legit law abiding gun owners in the same catagory with looters and rioters. And one of the huge differences would be in the seriousness of the responses and the scale. Looting cvs is one thing, the government taking our guns would be a lot bigger deal.

Via iphone , computer died. LB
 

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on April 28, 2015, 08:13 PM:
 
My take. If they don't want to be treated as angry animals, they shouldn't act like angry animals.

And the angry black man should be pissed at mom and the sperm doner they call dad and the break down of the family in the black community first and fore most.

[ April 28, 2015, 08:53 PM: Message edited by: UTcaller ]
 

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Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on April 29, 2015, 04:53 AM:
 
I got this from a friend;

Okay, so this is all really interesting...

Circuit Court Howard County - Civil System
Case Number: 13C14101574
Party Type: Petitioner
Petitioner Name:
Peachtree Settlement Funding LLC
3301 Quantum Boulevard
Boynton Beach, FL 33426

Attorneys: Vassalo, Esq., Carol L
Firm: Vassalo Law Group LLC
251 Jessup Mill Road
Suite 2A
Clarksboro, NJ 08020

Interested Second Party: Allstate Insurance

Freddy Gray had a pre-existing spinal and neck injury with severe damage and scar tissue from an accident that Allstate Insurance was paying him a large structured settlement on. Mr. Gray had several unsuccessful spinal fusion surgeries., most recent spinal/cervical operation was a week and a half before he was arrested.

Mr. Gray most likely should have been home in bed resting and recovering from the recent major operation, instead of manufacturing and distributing drugs on the streets of Baltimore. Then resisting arrest. Mr. Gray has a rather extensive criminal record pages long for manufacturing and distributing controlled dangerous drugs, that being cocaine, crack and heroine. Mr. Gray also has many assault charges, gun charges, breaking and entering charges and the list goes on since he was 18 years old.
(Juvenile records are sealed.)

I digress...

Look up the Case Number. It's authentic. You will see that Mr. Gray was trying to cash in his monthly structured settlement for his spinal injury payments, to one lump sum through Peachtree Funding LLC. All of this, a result of a significant pre-existing neck injury, so severely damaged, that he was being paid out a structured settlement for life. And before he resisted arrest.

Could he have fallen in the paddy wagon from the bench to the floor? Could he have twisted his fused spine, reopening his recently fused damaged spine? Also, the police that arrested him were all black Officers, not white Officers. Why are people destroying their own homes and revenue when they don't know the whole story? Mostly because it's a good reason and timing to loot and get new shoes and stolen goods.

Al Sharpton, the floor is yours... What say you?
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 29, 2015, 06:52 AM:
 
That's incredable! If true? I watched an interview by hannity last night with the family lawyer. He asked if there was any prior injury and the answer was, <shrug> "we dont know of any"

But, i imediately had the feeling that he was lying, and not very convincingly. If true, what a friggin' waste of time, energy and taxpayer money.
LB
 

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Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on April 29, 2015, 01:41 PM:
 
Like I said, I got this from a friend. I checked and it is reported on a few sites on the internet but I can't confirm its authenticity.
 

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Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on April 29, 2015, 02:45 PM:
 
Guy on another forums claims the dead guy received that settlement for "lead poisoning". He sued his landlord because there was lead paint in the house. Been living off that settlement most of his life.

The surgery smells funny to me. I can't picture a guy that just had that done actually running. Not wearing a neck brace also?

Though if the surgery thing is true, I could imagine being slammed to the ground and a knee on your head/neck could aggravate a previous neck surgery?

It is obvious this thug, Gray, was not a model citizen. Why was the shitbird not still in jail?

Either way, hopefully we receive the facts.

[ April 29, 2015, 02:55 PM: Message edited by: DanS ]
 

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Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on April 29, 2015, 02:59 PM:
 
Now with the riots, I heard on Fox News that the mayor of Baltimore told the police to stand down, or actually ordered them too. Said it was only property that was going to get damaged.

I suppose those without insurance and those that have to pay deductibles are hoping she will pick up the tab, since it was only property getting damaged.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 29, 2015, 03:54 PM:
 
This pathetic affirmative action mayor is probably bulletproof because she's black and she's a woman and LIBERAL as they come. She is most likely covering her ass and beating down anybody that disagrees with her pathetic decissions. Black lives matter and it's obvious that black city government and black law enforcement in all these cities have failed. Detroit is exhibit # 1. L B
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on April 29, 2015, 05:39 PM:
 
It would almost seem like they're hell bent on starting a war ?

Police being told to stand down, are they attempting to introduce some version of military police ?

I scratch my head. Weird times..
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on April 30, 2015, 03:30 AM:
 
I'd like to nominate Melinda Brown Duncan, from Detroit, to run for mayor!!!
VIDEO LINKY

Funny as it is, this is the type of message that needs to be heard! That woman seems to know the deal...
 

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