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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 10, 2014, 07:21 PM:
I have a theory. So far I have not seen or heard anybody speculate on my scenario.
Simple really. With or without assistance of the pilots. Let's say somebody takes control of the cockpit. I have no idea about specifics?
Okay, they put the plane into a steep dive which accounts for the confusion about data. Then, they skim the water way below any radar observation and land the plane at an airport, somewhere where there is almost no freedom of information. Southern China.
I don't know the purpose, but this would explain a total lack of a debris field, thus far.
Hey, could happen.
Bond. James Bond.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on March 11, 2014, 02:15 AM:
Quite plausible, actually.
How much heroin or cocaine would a plane that size be able to transport ???
Rush has often said "Follow the money and you'll find the answer". I think that it may apply in this case.
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on March 11, 2014, 06:38 AM:
I think it was blown up, but nobody seems to know what happened yet. There is for sure though, a whole lot of money and time being spent looking for it.
Posted by DiYi (Member # 3785) on March 11, 2014, 06:44 AM:
Would really like to know what navies had ships in the area.Undoubtedly there were some and the truth lies with their radar.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 11, 2014, 07:48 AM:
Yeah but, what's the horizon, like eleven miles? I mean, I can see San Clemente from Dana Point but that's because it sticks up out of the water a couple hundred feet. And, what might be happening on the other side of the island, might as well not exist.
There are ways to punch holes in my theory but with 40 ships and 34 aircraft in the area, no trace?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on March 11, 2014, 07:56 AM:
It doesn't make much sense, but don't rule out that the they already know what happened, but don't want to tell the media just yet. Or haven't got their story straight.
Yea, tin foil hat, black helicopter theories. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by DiYi (Member # 3785) on March 11, 2014, 08:33 AM:
LB,
Think the 'new' radar like the British recently deployed is like 300 miles but yeh,still a lot of water out there.
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on March 11, 2014, 09:37 AM:
I'm goin' with aliens...
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 11, 2014, 09:50 AM:
I'm not really buying the all seeing tech. angle. First, you have to turn it on and second, you need to have assets in the general area. And, if you are dependent on satellite surveillance, well, (woosh) and then it's gone until next pass, and those puppies move fast, but still?
I meant optical line of sight on the curvature of the earth, anyway, not what radar, (which they didn't actually have) can theoretically do.
Interesting that they I.D.'ed the two Iranians with the stolen passports. Of course, with help from the kid's mom, who was expecting her son somewhere in Europe, I think Netherlands? But still, kind of reinforces all the chatter about pervasive surveillance. We can't get away with picking our nose without some government agency recording it.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 11, 2014, 10:27 AM:
this just in:
http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/11/missing-malaysia-airliner-tracked-hundreds-of-miles-off-course-after-transponder-switch-off/
Posted by DiYi (Member # 3785) on March 11, 2014, 12:14 PM:
Could it be Bush's fault?
Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on March 11, 2014, 12:52 PM:
from cnn
"Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 was hundreds of miles off course, traveling in the opposite direction from its original destination and had stopped sending identifying transponder codes before it disappeared, a senior Malaysian Air Force official told CNN Tuesday."
I think I'm going to check Ebay for a boeing 777 for sale..
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on March 11, 2014, 01:40 PM:
Maybe they just decided to take the scenic route. LB you may have figured it out.
What is the going price for a "used" triple 7 on e-bay?
And I though the dissapearing stuff only happened in the Bermuda or Devils triangle.
[ March 11, 2014, 01:41 PM: Message edited by: DanS ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 11, 2014, 02:31 PM:
What seems very curious to me, at this point is why did the authorities direct the search to the last point on the planned flightpath? When, it now is admitted that they, (in fact) tracked the plane for a couple hundred miles after the transponder was shut off?
Why pointlessly search the area and waste everybody's time when they knew very early that the friggin' plane was somewhere else? Maybe they didn't know where the plane actually WAS, but they knew it was a long ways from where they sent dozens of search and rescue ships and planes.
Somebody needs to press for an explanation. Why the games?
And, why pray tell, did they mysteriously confess the misdirection and tracking, AFTER I POSED THE QUESTION, GOT EVERYBODY PONDERING IT, AND FORCED THEIR HAND?
Good hunting. El Bee
[ March 11, 2014, 02:32 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on March 11, 2014, 02:43 PM:
I really didn't know that you had that much clout. I am impressed. Perhaps you and Trey Gowdy should team up and run for Pres and VP.
git er dun
[ March 11, 2014, 02:43 PM: Message edited by: DanS ]
Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on March 11, 2014, 02:45 PM:
If the plane didn't have a severe and quick catastrophic event, and instead got taken over and simply flown off course to some unknown destination, did all the passengers also have their phones confiscated before hand? Seems like someone on board would notice that they were "off course" and then gotten a signal out to someone saying "help, something's not right."
Strange and getting stranger by the day..
Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on March 11, 2014, 05:05 PM:
Seems like someone found the "off" button to the transponder codes..
They will definitely make a freakin movie from this one!
Dan, I don't know how much a used 777 is, but do you really want one with a bunch of shit stains on the seats?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 11, 2014, 05:45 PM:
Apparently, besides the transponder, there is a GPS type device that is in constant contact with computers on the ground which monitors everything relating to performance, speed and direction. I have heard reports that this device was also disabled, not sure if codes are involved but it would take someone knowledgable to deactivate it, since lay people might have only heard of transponders?
So, maybe a pilot or someone that has done their homework, not just a casual impulsive terrorist.
There is the question of the total silence of cell phone activity. How do you persuade 238 people to not make a phone call during the turn around, not to mention whatever happened if the plane descended below radar?
Is there some type of portable device that jambs cell phones inside a plane cabin? Something that would not be suspected by security personnel?
Strange event.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: the Russians used some type of gas in the opera house situation a few years ago, introduced into the ventilation system and knocked everybody out.
[ March 11, 2014, 05:48 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on March 11, 2014, 08:26 PM:
To quote the words of Fudd, the philosopher,
"Somethin screwy's going on here."
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 11, 2014, 10:35 PM:
Maybe Frank will drop in and tell us what really happened? He's like that guy Snowden, knows everything, Black Ops stuff.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on March 13, 2014, 03:06 PM:
Its official; what a cluster fuck!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 13, 2014, 04:20 PM:
Yes, and this is what happens when you hire your brother in law to be minister in charge of military, and/or civilian, and virtually every position of authority. I wonder if they are aware that they look like bumbling idiots?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 13, 2014, 05:07 PM:
Interesting report latest from U.S. sources that the plane may have flown for 5 hours after the transponder was MANUALLY turned off. Not because of a catastrophic failure. This is on the Kelly File, right now. My theory is still holding up.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on March 13, 2014, 07:29 PM:
It was hijacked, it crashed; possibly a new unknown weapon used by a new start up terrorist organization? Based on what we DO know, it could be any of the above..... or something else! The fascinating thing to me is the fascination with the story. I am not trying to make light of the fact that several hundred people may have perished, but then again that doesn't seem to be part of the story line either. To me it is more of an angst felt by a populous that isn't already being shown computer animated reenactments of the planes fate; or prime time interviews with survivors or families of dead victims. How could we not know? They should already be casting roles for the made for tv movie about this. Surely there has to at least be a fuzzy cell phone video going viral on youtube!
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on March 14, 2014, 03:55 AM:
^^^sobering truth^^^
Posted by DiYi (Member # 3785) on March 14, 2014, 10:51 AM:
Fred wins-clearly aliens.aliens powered by lithium batteries.
[ March 14, 2014, 11:43 AM: Message edited by: DiYi ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 14, 2014, 03:59 PM:
The puzzle to my theory was, how to silence all those cell phones on board. The answer was provided today by the information that the plane climbed to about 45,000 feet. So, if the cockpit shut off the oxygen in the passenger cabin, they all would be passed out if not killed.
The problem at this point is according to data, the direction doesn't leave much room for a landing strip, it's all wide open ocean so once the fuel was exhausted they would crash in the middle of nowhere while dozens of ships and planes are looking for junk off of Viet Nam.
And, the authorities are not sharing much of what they know. Who knows why but one theory is they don't want to divulge their capabilities, and other petty reasons including being indifferent to U.S. assistance.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Prune Picker (Member # 4107) on March 14, 2014, 04:26 PM:
Just my wild ass guess, The hijackers were radical al queda making a statement to Malaysia about ties to the west ala the Algerian refinery attack a couple of years ago. Maybe the target was the twin towers in Singapore except a Malaysian F-16 stuck a sidewinder or 2 into the 777 and ended the threat. All of Malaysia including Brunei had close ties to the U.S. & England, probably still do
Posted by Prune Picker (Member # 4107) on March 14, 2014, 05:29 PM:
I punched the "add reply" too soon. Its not uncommon for multiple U.S. warships to be docked in Malaysian waters at anytime, so maybe one of them could have been the target of the hijacked 777 ?
Posted by booger (Member # 3602) on March 15, 2014, 04:22 AM:
I think it is on the ground in Pakistan or Iran waiting to be used against the USA, Israel or some soft target in Europe.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 15, 2014, 06:03 PM:
"I think it is on the ground in Pakistan or Iran waiting to be used against the USA, Israel or some soft target in Europe."
This is, to me a frighteningly plausible theory. O2 shut off. Passengers go to sleep. Last known track of the plane was toward Pakistan or somewhere thereabouts. Plane landed. Passengers deplaned and "disposed of". Plane is now hidden and will suddenly appear just before being flown into a major metropolitan area full of explosives, or whatever. Everyone says the 9-11 attacks were "masterminded". Bullshit. The plan was insanely simple. All it took was coordination and planning with timing. This theory wouldn't be hard to pull off at all.
Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on March 15, 2014, 07:29 PM:
Scary theory Cdog...
However, I feel confident that if the plane hits US soil it will be shot down..
However, the other smaller countries might not be prepared for it!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 15, 2014, 09:14 PM:
It's a good thing we are on top of this! I hope NSA is monitoring this site.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by DiYi (Member # 3785) on March 16, 2014, 03:54 AM:
I think Wolf Blitzer is behind this-despite having failed high school.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on March 16, 2014, 08:16 AM:
Scary thought for the morning;
Plane is loaded with explosives.
Flies in under radar toward whatever target.
When it's finally detected, the hostages are allowed to make cell phone calls for help.
Governments have a pissing contest over jurisdiction.
No one wants to shoot down a plane load of hostages.
Pilot falsely claims "Don't shoot. We are over-powering the hijackers." Stall for time. Time equals distance to target.
Things happen really fast. Reactions don't happen fast enough.
Boom !!! Plane hits target. Biggest disaster since Obama got elected.
Posted by booger (Member # 3602) on March 16, 2014, 08:34 AM:
Not sure who it was last night was on Judge Jeanine of Fox...I think it was some airline consultant, former pilot, I think.
He indicated that it would only take a couple of seconds for the cabin to be de-pressurized at 45,000 feet for all of the passengers to lose consciousness.
The longer this goes, the more I am convinced the damn Iranians are behind this.
Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on March 16, 2014, 11:02 AM:
Damn koko, you are evil!
Posted by Prune Picker (Member # 4107) on March 16, 2014, 01:22 PM:
Koko that scenario has already taken place! Remember when the USS Vincennes shot an Airbus full of iranians out of the sky in the 80's? There were US warships in the area (Malaysia), heck 2 of our "bestest" destroyers are or were involved in the search for the missing Boeing 777. Maybe its a coincidence that terrorists seem to pick Boeing jetliners for their dirty deeds? Probably because airbus's are such a pile of shit, or their first attempt at kamakazi attacks using the A300 airbus was such a failure?
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on March 17, 2014, 03:51 AM:
All I know is that it's a pretty safe bet that what we've seen so far is only act 1. Act 2 could be ugly.
Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on March 17, 2014, 06:45 AM:
Yeah, they are saying they think the plane flew below 5000 feet .. (good opportunity to avoid radar)
Looks pretty obvious to me; but I'm a little surprised the media is still pushing for a crash..
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on March 17, 2014, 07:07 AM:
No surprise, really.
The media either goes with a crash or terrorism.
Terrorism would make o bama and the muslims he supports look bad so a crash it is.
Somewhere..........D.B. Cooper must be having a beer going "Damn !!!"
[ March 17, 2014, 07:11 AM: Message edited by: Kokopelli ]
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 17, 2014, 11:39 AM:
Whoever it was; Pilot, Co-Pilot, or other person(s) have no reason to disable the tracking devices to me other than to make it near impossible to find the jet. If they just wanted to disable the devices and crash in the ocean, they didn't have to do the disabling, unless they just wanted to make it a mystery that they crashed in the ocean. That bird could easily be on the ground getting loaded up with WMD's.
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on March 17, 2014, 11:48 AM:
keep gettin' this sneakin' feelin' that we ain't gettin' the whole truth here...or is it just me?
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on March 17, 2014, 11:54 AM:
what I do know, is that the longer this shit strings out, the more I hope it really WAS aliens!!!
An aircraft that can lift off with a laden weight of 750,000 lbs, and fly for 16hrs non-stop, can deliver ALOT of hate from a long way, away
This is not good...
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 17, 2014, 11:56 AM:
With the all seeing eyes in the sky...something should show up on the water...Unless it's on land safely. Pieces are seriously missing. We won't be told everything and the masses will stay more calm this way.
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on March 17, 2014, 12:00 PM:
Call me crazy, wouldn't blame you if you did. I'm starting to wonder if they don't make this shit up ? or certainly embelish the facts.
News media is big money ! read somewhere as an example even our friends @ Fox. IE: O'Rielly and Hannity make 20-25 million anually.
Ya don't suppose those boys could be bought off do ya ? BTW, I'm no fan of FOX anymore.
I might offend some. IMO Hannity is a pussy and O'Rielly is a aggorant prick ! Meygn is cute, but,they're all part of the problem..(edit) they know we tune in because of this=more money !
Just my Opinion fellers..Peace
[ March 17, 2014, 12:06 PM: Message edited by: Dave Allen ]
Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on March 17, 2014, 01:05 PM:
just why should the pilot/co-pilot have the ability, while in flight, to disable any tracking devices of a civilian aircraft?
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on March 17, 2014, 02:05 PM:
That's a good question TrnCo. My guess is whoever did it, obviously knew what they were doing. I'm sure the NSA is combing over every keyword search on the WWW for tips on who knew how to do it.
Posted by DiYi (Member # 3785) on March 17, 2014, 02:47 PM:
What's funny is that anyone that gives a somewhat educated reason why it could still be mechanical failure is never on air again.No one wants to hear it.
So,like right now as I type this,there is a reluctance in the media to report they DON'T know when the failures started and the first one was not 'necessarily' before the 'goodnight'.
I believe the plane is very wet.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 17, 2014, 03:08 PM:
Well, my hypothesis is certainly gaining a lot of traction with the media today. Apparently they do monitor this site, or they6've hacked my computer because of all my rants about the gubmint on Facebook. Either way, now they need to give a passenger list to Publisher's Clearing House, or any of the umteen different credit card companies in the country. As a letter carrier, I can assure you those bastards can find you anywhere if they want to. I'm betting that Michigan Bulb Company knew Bin Laden's whereabouts long before the Marines did.
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on March 18, 2014, 09:27 AM:
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 18, 2014, 09:45 AM:
Good work, Fred!
With the NSA monitoring this site, it won't be long until your info is on CNN.
I just cannot see the logic of turning south toward Antarctica? If it's pilot suicide, why not crash it right away instead of seven hours later?
Therefore my theory is still valid, posited days before the networks got ahold of it. Look for a landing in some remote third world location.
It's obvious that we are being spoon fed data for political reasons; the Malaysians don't want to look bad and incompetent, which they are. So, they contradict previous statements and reinforce their incompetence, which is what happens when you have your brother in law running various government agencies.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on March 18, 2014, 10:11 AM:
lol Fred good one.
btw the Professor just passed way I think, for real?
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Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on March 18, 2014, 11:36 AM:
Funny thing this is brought up, I think I read in the professor's obit. that he was a pilot in WWII.
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on March 19, 2014, 05:56 AM:
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on March 19, 2014, 08:08 AM:
New scary thought to ruin your day;
The plane is only half loaded with explosives and half with radioactive material. One big flying dirty bomb.
![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 19, 2014, 08:11 AM:
And limpdick Barry would never authorize shooting it down.
Weeze Fuked!
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on March 19, 2014, 03:31 PM:
I can actually picture o bama deciding on whether or not to shoot it down and asking if the targeted city is in a red or blue state.
Posted by DiYi (Member # 3785) on March 24, 2014, 07:36 AM:
If the satellite info just released today is accurate I think we can take solace in the fact the US efforts abandoned any theory or search other than leaving the Straits and heading south about day 3.
I suspect(hope)it's cause our 'capability' was above and beyond but HAD to remain secret.From the time they turned south I was confident the plane was wet.
Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on March 24, 2014, 10:23 AM:
but why? Why would the pilots want to fly to their doom in the cold empty ocean in the middle of nowhere?
The only reason I can think of is to hide the data recorders from the world.
Posted by DiYi (Member # 3785) on March 24, 2014, 10:40 AM:
Doubt anyone knows-but who says the pilots were flying it?
Posted by Prune Picker (Member # 4107) on March 24, 2014, 10:49 AM:
If it was a hijack??? I stick with my original belief, Shoot Down & Cover Up. And for what its worth ohbamama found out after the fact.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on March 24, 2014, 03:07 PM:
Is it possible that the `debris` we're hearing about was planted ahead of time as a diversion before the fact and the plane is nowhere near the Indian Ocean ???
(Yeah, I've been know to have a big bowl of paranoid cynicism for breakfast.)
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on March 24, 2014, 03:08 PM:
One of the talking heads mentioned today that someone had to change the planes course, turned off the transponders. Who could have done that other than the pilots?
Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on March 24, 2014, 03:35 PM:
As far as I have heard, no one. And that "goodnight" comment keeps ringing in my ears. I find it very difficult to swallow that the crew shut down all tracking and then flew the thing into the drink. Mass murderers like to take credit for their fine work. I kinda like Prune Picker's theory. There's more to this than is ever going to meet the eye.
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on March 24, 2014, 07:04 PM:
One thing I heard the other night was the plane dropped to 12000 ft when it made the u turn. One guy was a 777 pilot and said, the plane couldn't have flown as far as they were looking down that low. It would've burnt more fuel and probably is on land somewhere before it hit the ocean.
So how did it make it way down to where the "wreckage" is and how did they confirm it by a simple satellite photo? Something ain't right.
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on March 25, 2014, 03:45 AM:
I've seen enough weird & crazy shit floating offshore in the Atlantic ocean to assume that there's plenty more weird & crazy shit floating around in the Indian ocean.
Just sayin', I ain't swallowing any 'satellite plane wreckage' info, yet...
Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on March 25, 2014, 04:35 AM:
I'm leaning more toward pilots than hijackers if the plane was dumped in the Indian Ocean.
Shit just is not adding up! Doesn't pass the giggle test.
However, that was cool in how they took the only set of tracking data and found a way to determine approximate position.
[ March 25, 2014, 04:37 AM: Message edited by: Fur_n_Dirt ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 25, 2014, 08:28 AM:
It's a puzzle, start to finish. Nobody is playing straight. Presently, just about ANY explanation has not been totally discounted.
Suddenly, satellite data provides the definitive answer but for two weeks, Gee, they didn't see anything?
I don't know if we will ever know, but we better figure it out, at our peril.
The only thing I know for sure is; I will never consider flying Malaysian Airlines. Those people are incompetent. Criminally incompetent, if you ask me.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on March 25, 2014, 12:34 PM:
I still believe that the gov'ts knew where it is. Perhaps from day one. Just don't want to disclose that info to the citizens who pay for it, national security you know, or don't want the muslims to lose face in front of the world.
Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on December 28, 2014, 02:40 PM:
Oh great , another freaking plane missing!
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on December 28, 2014, 04:03 PM:
Yeah, I heard something about it. Same kind of situation as last time ?
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