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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 08, 2010, 08:24 PM:
To whom it may concern;
If you are creating a calling/hunting dvd to sell to the public, please REFRAIN from including any and all excrutiatingly slow motion replays of every shot/kill. It is extremely annoying and unnecessary.
psssst...it's a dvd..I can rewind it pretty quick if I need to see a replay.
Thank you for your support in this matter,
Sincerely,
DVD Police.
[ April 08, 2010, 08:26 PM: Message edited by: Lone Howl ]
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on April 08, 2010, 08:41 PM:
You could make this a long list.....
Don't "poke" the dead critter with the barrel of your rifle.
Don't "whisper" most of us are hunters, our hearing is shit anyway, I can barely hear normal conversation and I hate to attempt to read lips on videos
Please, please, don't say the word "awesome", I detest hearing that word in hunting videos.
And finally; don't utter the phrase "Thats what it's all about" that one will have me climbing the walls.
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 08, 2010, 09:59 PM:
Agreed..on every one of those.
Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on April 09, 2010, 06:20 AM:
It's been a few years since I bought a predator DVD, but what gets my goat is when an easy shot is made difficult because of trying to get 10 more seconds of footage. Just shoot the damn coyote at the first and best opportunity... Irritating as hell for me.
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on April 09, 2010, 06:28 AM:
I know someone that produced a DVD. It burned him out doing so. What I hate the most about hunting DVDs is when they explain the stand setup and attempt to predict where the animal will come from. The prediction almost always is correct. I would bet a paycheck that most of the time this is filmed postkill. STOP TRYING TO LOOK SO SMART. I know most of this stuff is staged.
Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on April 09, 2010, 07:48 AM:
One of the best DVD's I've ever watched was Ed Wimberly calling on a video with Gerald Stewart.
"Operation Predator", I nearly wore that disc out. Gerald told me last year that they go all the way to "Operation Predator #6" now! Maybe I need to get caught up! LOL
Nikonut
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on April 09, 2010, 08:15 AM:
Nikonut you might be disappointed in the newer Operation Predator. Last I heard Ed Wimberly and H.S. had parted ways. Kind'a bummed me out as he was the main reason I watched their DVD's.
AZ Hunter your comment about "Thats what it's all about" is dead on! I am so sick of hearing that in DVD's or reading it on the web. Frankly 90% of the time when some idjit says that, he's dead wrong, which makes it even more annoying.
Can't really agree with not showing the slow-mo replay though. Guess I'm just a sick buzzard, but I like seeing bullet impact slow motion. If a guy doesn't like it I figure he can always fast forward through it.
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 09, 2010, 08:21 AM:
Huh? You can fast forward em? ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
When did they come out with that technology?
[ April 09, 2010, 08:22 AM: Message edited by: Lone Howl ]
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on April 09, 2010, 09:08 AM:
pssst it's right next to the rewind button. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 09, 2010, 09:28 AM:
Actually, I think spending a little time on setting up the stand can be good. I would pan the area, okay this is what we have, we just came in from back there, and the wind is blowing thataway. That is the criticism I have had with Higgins and his footage of coyotes downwind sniffing magic mist. I think it would be a lot more effective if we knew ahead of time what was downwind and where the coyote first appeared and what happens once he gets down wind. In most of his footage, we see a coyote hanging around, but you really have to be an astute observer to know that the coyote is straight down wind and isn't leaving.
Other than that, the high fives and congrats bother the hell out of me, but I can't 'splain why? It's just that most stands that I have been involved with, that shit doesn't happen.
I remember once, my son and I were with a friend that had been out several times and had not actually killed anything. Well, this was a real good area and on this particular stand, I told Rich to go over there, and he kept walking half way up the damned mountain, actually removed himself from the stand.
Well, we had about three coyotes come through the saddle to his right, and I doubt that he saw them? As it happened, junior and I both killed one and just sat there for quite a while afterwards.
A few minutes later, we heard a shot from up yonder. A few minutes later, we could see him getting the animal so we decided to screw with him, a bit.
When he got back, we just ignored him, puttering around, getting ready to move on, etc. The funny thing is, expecting congratulations and high fives, which he didn't get, he figured it out immediately and walked up to the tailgate, didn't even look around, unslung his rifle and said; "that was easy". Cracked us up!
Turned out the trailing coyote we didn't get a shot at had been hanging around, waiting for his buddies that didn't show up and Rich saw him pacing, where we couldn't. So, he started honking on his hand call and the coyote turned and headed right at him for an easy chip shot. I'm sure he will never forget that stand.
Now, what were we talking about?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 09, 2010, 10:04 AM:
We were talking about some sort of "fast forward" apperatus on a DVD player.
Never seen it/heard of it before?
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on April 09, 2010, 10:32 AM:
Lone Howl I don't know if you are being serious or not. Should be right there on the remote. You can fast forward or rewind at variable speeds.
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 09, 2010, 10:37 AM:
Just messing around Ursus, Im just being silly.
I prefer to watch my dvd's without having to push any buttons whatsoever : )
I just like to bitch about small things once in a while.
Mark
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on April 09, 2010, 11:07 AM:
Personally, I enjoy watching coyote hunting videos. A small fraction of them stink, but most are tolerable. A few are great & just don't get "old" after repeat visits...
Prolly enjoy watching them 'cause I just don't get to hunt as much as I'd like and definitely 'cause I've still got alot to learn. But mostly just for seeing them come to a call with that 'look' in the eye & ultimately catching a bullet for it...
Come to think of it, I'm a fan of 'kill shots' in general. Slow mo', super slow mo', ultra super slow mo'...I love it! Don't you guys like seeing them topple over through your scope?
'Awesome' & 'excellent' are interchangeable, but ya gotta MEAN it when ya say it! Don't be yawnin' right after describing how 'awesome' that last stand was!
Which brings me to excitement on stand. Call me a newbie, rookie, or whatever, but I get PUMPED UP when a coyote comes to the call!!! Doesn't have to be me shooting either. I'm just as happy to share in the moment with my partner(s) as being the trigger man myself. Either way, I'll be excited when one hits the dirt and the few guys that I've shared stands with can attest to that!!!
Agree about poking the dead ones, and shooting when ya can. Ultimately, if the guys on the video are having a geniune good time, then I'll be enjoying watchin' them from my stand on the couch...
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on April 09, 2010, 11:09 AM:
My biggest problem isn't pushing buttons while watching a lot of the hunting DVD's out there. My biggest problem is staying awake through them. Some of them will cure insomnia for sure!
Posted by tawnoper (Member # 497) on April 09, 2010, 11:15 AM:
Never cared for the slow-mo. It seems to just be filler anyway. I'd rather they just use more scenery shots and footage of the area around the stand.
In all honesty, I don't even need a kill shot of every animal called and taken (but I realize some people dig em).
The whole chest bumping, high fiving and giggling/laughing their ass off after the kill comes across wrong to me...almost like these guys haven't done it much before. Also don't much care for the rocknroll background music in some of em. I'd rather it be more like the hunt and just the sounds of the calling and quiet (or wind)...I know boring but it's JMO.
BTW...I did like the Ed Wimberley segments too.
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on April 09, 2010, 11:43 AM:
Ive mentioned before too; that giddy giggling is troubling to me also. Im sure they are much more tantalized and almost sexually excited over the fact they got to kill something, than the actual hunt experience. Reminds me of the photos that used to get posted over on pms, we all know the offenders, so I won't mention any names, but you all remember them, coyotes with cigarettes in their mouths slumped over the tailgate of a truck, pups literally blown in half, and that same goofy grin on the exploiter, all the same with todays video makers.
I agree those that giggle,twitch, high five and bump chests, more than likely haven't hunted coyotes all that much.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 09, 2010, 12:10 PM:
I remember asking Higgins what he thought of the Coyote Gods' video. We laughed about the high top Mexican wrestling shoes and then he mentioned about how Vic interacted with a dead coyote. He said; "he did everything but get down and roll in it."
Of course, this was before these two giants of the sport had ever met.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on April 09, 2010, 12:45 PM:
Vic, In my opinion, your're right on target with your assessment that some of these guys must be getting their rocks off by the way they act on camera and probably off.
From what I see, many of the latest pred DVD's target these 2 coyote total lifetime kill sorts also. I saw a pred DVD in a store the other day that had a snarling coyote on the cover with the phrase, "A Heart-Pounding High Velocity Thrill Ride!" Damn, that sounds fun and dangerous! You can almost picture the backwards-hat-baggy-pants-wearing 19-year-old high fiving his buddies in the apartment when a coyote gets cut in half with a .50 BMG.
If were to make a pred video targeting todays crowd, I would make something along the lines of a Girls Gone Wild Goes Coyote Hunting video. Booze, babes, blown-up coyotes, and some obnoxious music in the background. Sure to be a hit.
Posted by JohnLK (Member # 1978) on April 09, 2010, 12:47 PM:
I am just not a very good spectator. I have never owned or watched a hunting DVD. The type of coyote calling DVD that I might find interesting is one that would show calling in all kinds of different terrain. The caller would be using hand calls and using the wind and terrain to help guide the coyote into open. It would show the callers skill using all different kinds of sounds you could think of to get the coyote as close as possible, there doesn’t even need to be any killing or shooting in it. It would be more about calling coyotes than shooting coyotes.
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on April 09, 2010, 07:13 PM:
OK, I'm readin' these responses & laughin' at myself 'cause I believe I may be guilty of violating some of the aforementioned hunting video 'crimes against humanity'...
Hopefully, my only saving grace is that I did not record & edit this little video for any sort of financial gain. I made it to show to some other NY guys that coyotes can be called in the day, just like anywhere else. Seems like alot of guys here in the NE believe our coyotes to be nearly uncallible while the Sun still shines. So I made this video (with a Canon point & shoot pocket camera) after a successful afternoon stand to show that daytime calling works here...
Anyhoo, since I'm sitting here laughin' at myself for doing so, you guys may as well be laughin' at me too...
HOME VIDEO LINK
With my guilty plea, I submit that hyperactive adrenal glands are mainly responsible for my goofy-azz enthusiasm. Also, the fact that I'm a friggin' newbie & just gettin' something of a handle on how to call coyotes in my AO is pretty dang exciting!
I certainly don't profess to be any more than that...
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 09, 2010, 07:29 PM:
I don't see anything offensive about your video? Or, worthy of scorn? In fact, I think it's pretty good.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on April 09, 2010, 08:04 PM:
knockemdown,
It appears that you are excited and grateful about the opportunity to get wonderful critter. It is indeed a priviledge! I respect a hunter that respects the critter and is grateful for the opportunity to get one. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Great video, however,
there is still no proof there that a coyote can be called and killed. Next video, I hope to see a moving critter get killed, then you'll have your proof that a funny talking coyote can be called and killed in NeYaK.
[ April 09, 2010, 08:05 PM: Message edited by: Locohead ]
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 09, 2010, 08:50 PM:
Saw that video elsewhere,liked it too.
Posted by CCP (Member # 913) on April 10, 2010, 02:03 PM:
I hear you guys, and I sure as heck didn't know what I was doing as far as filming and editing on my first video and have come along way since in the making of my second.
One of my pet peeves is someone gets a free product and gets on a Prostaff and feels compelled to force feed the product throughout the video.
Here is a Prostaff Spoof clip I did last year for my friends at FNF and thought you guys might enjoy also. I was practicing trying to use slit screen and used the spoof as a test.
Prostaff spoof
TA17 if you watch the first guy in the clip it will give you an idea of how a lot of guys view you.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 10, 2010, 02:43 PM:
Now, that knife cuts clean to the bone!!!!!
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 10, 2010, 03:03 PM:
quote:
TA17 if you watch the first guy in the clip it will give you an idea of how a lot of guys view you.
LOL..
Yes i do promote products that work well for me, but the difference between me and some prostaff guy is i buy all the products i use and no one is paying me to say how well it works...If a product is reliable and holds up and does what its suppose to do then i will pass this information on free of charge.. Does that make me bad???
If you would like you could ask some of the Mod's on P.M. how i stand on products pushed by Pro-staff...
[ April 10, 2010, 03:08 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 10, 2010, 03:37 PM:
Yeah, everybody. Let's all ask the Mods on PM.
Tim, do you know what a worthless suggestion you just made? Who gives a shit what any of those dinks think, about anything?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on April 10, 2010, 03:47 PM:
As far as DVD's go, the fist pumping, chest pounding and jumping around after the kill really get to me. If it was the guys first kill I could understand it maybe, but not the guys who call themselves professionals. Then again, they have to be part actor too, so that goes with the territory I'd imagine.
Tim,
If you want to help people, why are you so tight lipped about what sounds you like to use while hunting? Let's hear what your suggested top WT Coyote Vocals are. Thanks.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 10, 2010, 03:53 PM:
They are all good at some point in time, you of all people should know that if you spent anytime in the field useing them..
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on April 10, 2010, 04:08 PM:
They're not all good Tim, quit fooling yourself or get all of them and then report back. Do you forget that where I live there is a high wolf factor that keeps the coyotes less vocal than your neck of the woods or S.D.? I've used them and had zero takers. Snowshoe and Cottontail have worked though. So what have been your top 4 WT coyote vocal sounds Tim? Calling Martz is out of the question too, so don't even recommend it.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 10, 2010, 04:16 PM:
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I've used them and had zero takers.
Now thats youre problem is'nt it...
I've been hunting with a guy that has had a WT for a long time and he made the same claim that only a few sounds worked for him.. Also found out he was'nt very patient when calling..
[ April 10, 2010, 04:23 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on April 10, 2010, 07:54 PM:
It's not a problem, I just try out the vocals every so often to see what'll happen. So, I should stick to 360º spins with the caller held over my head and then lay prone on the hills right? 17 cal over any other too I'd imagine? Thanks, but no thanks for the pointers. And you taught the guy with the WT how to use it correctly???? ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on April 10, 2010, 09:09 PM:
quote:
So, I should stick to 360º spins with the caller held over my head and then lay prone on the hills right? 17 cal over any other too I'd imagine? Thanks, but no thanks for the pointers. And you taught the guy with the WT how to use it correctly????
You can call any way you like I don't care. Youre welcome but i was'nt giveing you any pointers. The answer is no to the last remark, he will have to figure it out himself...
Youre a little confused on what i do with my E-caller and why. I only move it from side to side and not the full 360 degrees. If I'm set up on a side hill to a drainage that fans out then i will call out in front of me and off to both sides of the drainage, you can cover more ground this way.. If you would of seen my last couple of vidios you would have noticed the coyotes came from off to one side and not straight in till they got a few 100 yards out and then proceded to move straight in to the source of the sound.. I've proved it works and it has'nt cost me any missed coyotes. Can you prove it dose'nt work???
[ April 10, 2010, 09:20 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on April 11, 2010, 11:05 AM:
I must've missed your last videos, is the DVD coming out soon? There are no 100% variables in this game, do what works for you and I'll stick with what works for me. Thanks for the pointers and great videos Tim, keep them coming. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
Edit to add:
Tim, why would you go out hunting with a guy and not help him out? Did you blind-fold him too?
[ April 11, 2010, 12:16 PM: Message edited by: TundraWookie ]
Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on April 12, 2010, 07:13 AM:
I have hunted a few days with Fred and got to watch him kill three on one stand.
It was a hoot and his excitement is real.
Kelly
[ April 12, 2010, 07:15 AM: Message edited by: Kelly Jackson ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 12, 2010, 11:13 AM:
Fred who?
Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on April 12, 2010, 11:36 AM:
knockemdown - aka Fred from NY. Came to Okie land in Feb. He got to shoot a few coyotes and I popped a black coyote while he was here.
Kelly
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on April 12, 2010, 11:54 AM:
"knockemdown - aka Fred from NY. Came to Okie land in Feb. He got to shoot a few coyotes and I popped a black coyote while he was here."
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So Kelly, did you guys do a lot of jumping up and down while screaming for joy?
Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on April 12, 2010, 11:59 AM:
I smiled pretty big Rich. Fred had to put a few rocks in his pockets to keep from floating off.
It was fun and I was glad to be there.
Stay after them
Kelly
edit to say, we did have a cigar after that stand...lol
[ April 12, 2010, 12:00 PM: Message edited by: Kelly Jackson ]
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 12, 2010, 12:15 PM:
Kinda feelin' deja vu here, but this past season, my new gunner, Kevin, killed more coyotes than he's ever killed in his nearly twenty years of calling coyotes while sitting stands with me. He's no newcomer to this game, but he sure does like killing coyotes. There was never any yelling and hugging and jumping around, but more than once, we sure as hell shared a fist bump and an attaboy - him to me for setting him up right and putting the coyote in front of him, and me to him for a good shot. Hell, that boy backed me up when I hit one too far back at about 240 going left to right and got out of sight before I could shoot again. He lined up - with a .223, if I'm lyin', I'm dyin' - and hit it in the ass going away at 426 lasered yards well enough to anchor it until I could run it down.
Now, honest, doesn't a bit of teamwork like that deserve a "job well done" and a pat on the back? Hell, we both mightta even chuckled a little bit.
Earlier that morning, we were working a scattergun only set up, and he didn't have a gun, so I did the calling. About a few minutes into things, Kevin whispers to me from behind me, "here they come!" and I turn to see two coyotes racing to the caller. One flares off to my left and the other comes right to the caller. I shoulder my Mossy and hit him square on at about 35 yards, rolling him up. He jumps up and runs off. I rolled him again at about 50. Tried to keep him down and realized I was out of shells. I started palming shells into the action one at a time from the sling and proceeded to roll that coyote twice more at about 75 and again at about 90 yards. Not enough of a hit to put him in the dirt, but enough to slow him waaaaaayyyyy down. By the time he hit the century mark, I was up, on both feet and told Kevin to get the caller because I was gonna run him down. Which I did, mind you. When I got him dragged to where Kevin was, Kevin was just laughing. He said he didn't know which was funnier... watching me shoot like that or watching me run.
Personally, all the post roll crap and fist pumping/ whispering stuff is amateur to me, too, but if it's a good shot, a great stand, or just plain funnier than hell, there sure ain't nothing wrong with backslapping and snickering a bit. It's fun to hunt with someone for whom hunting is still fun.
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on April 12, 2010, 12:15 PM:
"It was fun and I was glad to be there."
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Ain't that the gosh awful truth? I'm still not sure iffen I would rather call coyotes or eat. I enjoy the heck out of both.
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on April 12, 2010, 12:54 PM:
I don't know about the whole dancing thing. I've only done that once but it was over a big non typical whitetail and I couldn't help myself. I was excited beyond description. However coyotes do light my fire and I will grant a hand shake or a high five now and then. Not every time mind you, but when circumstances deem it the natural thing to do, I will.
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on April 12, 2010, 01:12 PM:
I'm all for guys getting excited, handshaking and high fiving it when the times call for it. Even a field dance would be merited for certain circumstances. Every kill on a DVD isn't it though in my mind.
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on April 12, 2010, 02:12 PM:
TundraWookie you said: "Even a field dance would be merited for certain circumstances. Every kill on a DVD isn't it though in my mind."
I couldn't agree more. Some of those idjits are ripe for a smack upside the head.
Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on April 12, 2010, 02:20 PM:
I believe I enjoy calling them in for my grandsons or newbies best of all. Seeing either one connect on a big old coyote really floats my boat.
As for Rich having trouble figuring out whether he'd rather call coyotes or eat, I can understand that fully. Mary is one great cook and can kinda spoil a feller quick.
Posted by Bopeye (Member # 907) on April 12, 2010, 04:23 PM:
Must be off season because we are running out of shit to talk about. I usually get so excited that the adrenaline hits my stomach and I puke. Damn sure do. I have done that for years. The day I quit getting excited I will say to hell with it and take up bowling or something.
I don't hoop and holler, but my adrenaline get's to pumping.
I use to puke before a football game or a powerlift too. Not sure what causes it, but I know I've had a good time when I lose my breakfast.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 12, 2010, 04:56 PM:
quote:
I believe I enjoy calling them in for my grandsons or newbies best of all. Seeing either one connect on a big old coyote really floats my boat.
There you go, Al. Spot on. I used to hunt alone 90% of the time. In recent years, I've come to enjoy the company. If I can get them to sit still long enough, I can put coyotes within twenty yards to twenty feet of most guys early in the year and the only thing funner than doing that is watching the rush they experience afterwards.
Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on April 12, 2010, 06:01 PM:
This market is passed saturated nothin but someone new with a new shoot/kill video mainly filmed in areas of high coyote density's and very little on coyote behavior and why those coyotes are found in those locations at those times of year.
More emphasis on pre locating and stand selection and the such would be much better IMO.
Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on April 13, 2010, 08:21 PM:
I haven't killed so many coyotes that I am desensitized by the adrenaline. Every coyote I shoot is a thrill and they always get the heart pumping. The rush I got as a kid is long gone when I shoot doves and pheasants and such. But not coyotes. Every one is treat!
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on April 14, 2010, 08:04 AM:
quote:
every coyote I shoot is s thrill
Excellent! That is the point I was trying to make
I've been a lucky pup so far to share stands with some great hunters in my travels. Being that I'm hunting alone 99% of the time here at home, I relish the comradarie of my "out west" hunting trips. Being able to share in a successful stand is the icing on the cake and surely worthy of some rejoicing, IMHO...
So to relate that back to the original topic of hunting videos: IF the video can capture a glimspe of that genuine excitement and fellowship of friends on stand, then that is what I enjoy seeing the most...
Oh, and I also like to know what the guys are shooting, chambering & bullet-wise. Allows for a good study of how each perform regarding shot distances & angles...
Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on April 14, 2010, 08:39 AM:
I agree knockemdown, it would be good to have more information about rifles and chamberings that the guys are using. I'd also really like to see a "pelt damage" clip if the guys are ever saving the hides. I don't mean a clip where they zoom into the bloody entry/exit holes, I'm talking about after skinning, a quick clip of what size holes the shooter's bullet left on the hide.
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