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Posted by Displayed Name (Member # 4669) on January 09, 2017, 06:29 PM:
So up to now I've never really put much thought at all into length of pull.... to the extent I never even looked to see what it even exactly meant. I probably only barely understand all the factors that are important to accurately measuring to see what would be your ideal length of pull.
I've got a Boyd's thumb hole stock on my 17-204 that I never really cared for how the rifle felt to shoulder or to grip the stock/ finger on trigger. Just always felt off and I was tweaking my body to shoot it. Had planned for a while to attack the grip but just measured a stock I like shooting for length of pull and decided to match it with the Boyd's. The Choate stock I like had a 13in lop and the Boyd's was 13 5/8. So sawed off 5/8 and it really does make a difference.
Can't upload pics because just got a new phone and haven't recovered any photos yet. Hogged out a generous amount of laminate at the back of the grip and added a considerable amount of wood to the front section of the grip. I initially tried a two part epoxy puddy but it failed to cure....at all. So just shaped some wood with a die grinder, drilled anchor holes in the stock and wood. Used PL construction adhesive and one countersunk screw. It feels and looks more like a semi-vertical pistol grip now and my finger is now comfortably on the trigger. Kinda want to just clear coat it and go for the rat rod rifle kinda look but I'm sure I'll clean it up and make it look presentable. Anyway just a $100 stock so I'm happy where it's headed.
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 09, 2017, 08:26 PM:
I am pretty sure that you measure your LOP by laying the rifle or shotgun in the crook of your arm to your curved trigger finger. For most people it works out between 13 5/8th and 14" but that depends on how heavy your coat is. A long stock is very difficult to shoulder while wearing an insulated parka.
However, 13" seems kinda short for most people unless you might be short in stature?
I can't really imagine what you did to fabricate and modify your stock? But, as long as your happy and it turned out okay, all's well that ends well. Right?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on January 09, 2017, 08:43 PM:
Length of pull and drop are critical in shotgun shooting. I've really only had one problem with a rifle. Unfortunately it was my Kimber 84M Classic 22-250. I had to contort my neck t be able to look through the scope. I sold the rifle to a friend and it fits him fine. I have long arms and a long neck.
Leonard is correct on determining length of pull.
Posted by Displayed Name (Member # 4669) on January 10, 2017, 05:09 AM:
Don't really think I'm short at 5'10" but maybe less than average in height in some areas of the world. I think my arms tho are maybe a tiny bit shorter for my size and I also usually hunt with a lot of clothes on. I can shoot it fine the way it was just fits me better a little shorter.
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Posted by Displayed Name (Member # 4669) on January 15, 2017, 10:15 AM:
Came out ok I never liked the geometry at all of how my hand and wrist fit into the Boyd's thumbhole stock. This feels much more natural.
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 15, 2017, 11:19 AM:
I see what you described and yet my mind wouldn't allow what the image was telling be. But what I see with the photos, is what I imagined and thought it was so odd that I must have got something wrong, if you get my drift? It's very unusual but if it's comfortable and works for you, that's all that counts.
There will be some that will look at it and react negatively. As long as you don't mind a few weird looks, 'cause nobody's going to say; "wow, that's sure a fine looking rifle you got there." lol
Good hunting.El Bee
Posted by Displayed Name (Member # 4669) on January 15, 2017, 01:05 PM:
Haha no I don't care if someone reacts negatively , as long as I'm happy it's fine. I would disagree that no one is gonna say that's a fine looking rifle. My friends have no Coopers etc. Really though if you look closely at how your hand goes into the thumbhole stock it's the one that is further from the norm. I've had lots of rifles and never felt one that was as off as it was. The pistol grip(kinda ) I have now is a much more mainstream grips. At least I don't see many thumbhole shotguns or AR's.
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 15, 2017, 06:59 PM:
My first 25'06 Ackley had a Royal laminated thumbhole stock. I really hogged out the whole grip area to get it feeling good. But, when I did, it was very good, very comfortable but it took a lot of work to get there. That rifle was a genuine tack driver but it was stolen. I had a Canjar single set trigger on it. Rifle was made by PO Ackley himself.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Displayed Name (Member # 4669) on February 22, 2017, 02:36 PM:
Had it put away waiting on a supply of Wipe Out. I was getting frustrated with the intensive cleaning every 30 to 40 shots. Shoots well again, zero measured throat erosion after a box of kindler 30's. Gun tho I have reassessed and it def is not fine, pretty fugly haha
Posted by MClark (Member # 4087) on February 25, 2017, 07:38 PM:
I like a long stock, I have rifles with 16 and 17" pull.
The length required varies with style, grip angle etc.
Shotgun guys worry about stock fit and (Sometimes) do something about it. A rifle stock that fits will improve accuracy and how fast you get on target.
Mark
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 26, 2017, 07:05 AM:
I suppose you are sure about that length of pull? I've never heard of anybody with those numbers?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by MClark (Member # 4087) on February 26, 2017, 08:14 AM:
Yea,they sound real long but it is the real measurement from trigger to butt. I tend to not keep my head up, I have been told "crawl the stock".
The longest stocks are for a Thompson Contender rifle, the more vertical grip a longer length works better for me. I used the to the inside of elbow as a starting point but for a specific stock shape I will hold it up where everything feels right and measure the gap between butt and my shoulder. Later adjustment can be made with thickness of the recoil pad.
I also fret over the comb height. While the stock is still rough I assemble the gun with the scope to be used, I shoulder it with my eyes closed, open eyes to see if to high (always leave plenty of wood so it will be high) . Cut down comb, repeat until it fits.
By doing all this when I swing up the rifle I am correctly positioned looking through the scope. A huge advantage for speed and in poor light.
I work as a gunsmith so I can make what makes me happy.
Mark
Posted by MClark (Member # 4087) on February 26, 2017, 08:25 AM:
If I am hunting in cold with heavy clothes, very rare, I have other rifles with shorter stocks.
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