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Posted by Lungbuster (Member # 630) on October 27, 2016, 07:03 PM:
Since Berger quit making the bullets that performed well for me I've been experimenting with new ones. They aren't working well for me.
My rifle does not like the Hornady's but shoots the Kindler Golds well. I shot 2 coyotes with the 25gr and 3 with the 27gr. They all give a 6"-8" entrance hole and the coyotes run off. I never had this problem with the 30gr Bergers.
The Kindlers shoot at about 4000fps, I'm thinking about trying to slow them down to 3700ish and try again.
I'm open to suggestions?
At this point I'm thinking about switching to the AR for the rest of the season...
Pic of entrance splash:
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[ October 27, 2016, 08:14 PM: Message edited by: Lungbuster ]
Posted by Lungbuster (Member # 630) on October 27, 2016, 07:07 PM:
I don't know why the stupid pic isn't showing....
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on October 28, 2016, 03:57 AM:
Remove the underscore from the "[IMG]"
Or, copy/paste the "direct" link into the IMAGE tab, located below the text box...
Hows the throat on that rifle?
When was the last time you cleaned the barrel?
Possible there's a carbon ring, or other fouling in the tube that could be compromising the bullet's jacket?
Just spit ballin'. But that entrance doesn't look too huge? I've hit a coyote raking shoulder bone with my .17P, and had the same sized 'splash' as shown...
[ October 28, 2016, 04:00 AM: Message edited by: knockemdown ]
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on October 28, 2016, 04:16 AM:
Have you tried any of Chan Nagel's 30s yet?
Never messed with any of the Golds except the 30's but they have worked very well for me. Killed over 400 coyote with them now and sometimes get some big exits but never any splash. Running them closer to 4100 fps. Don't think they are available at the moment though, since Todd sold his dies.
But, the 30 gr. Nagels kill just as well for me.
- DAA
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 28, 2016, 06:19 AM:
I'm no resource on 17's, but just a comment on Berger discontinuing stuff that works. WTF?
Carbon ring sounds like where you might begin.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on October 28, 2016, 08:07 AM:
I shoot both the 27 and 30 grain golds and like Dave have had some bigger exits once in a while but never a splash. And I am running them between 4000-4100 fps. I have probably shot a couple hundred Coyotes with the two bullets I mentioned. I do wish Berger still made there 25 grain Match. Probably the best fur bullet I have used. I also have a few 26 grain Genco Bthp's too. They work well too, the few I have shot with them.
Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on October 28, 2016, 04:44 PM:
I'm getting low on the old discontinued Bergers, so just today I called to order some bullets from Chan and he's running low and only let me buy 200 of his 30 grain bullets. Said he's having a little bit of problem with jacket material. SO, if you're wanting some of his, better get your order in.
BUT like Chad and Dave, I've not had any problem with surface splash out of my .17/204, and I'm running closer to 3900 fps with it. I've used mostly the old Bergers, but did use some Golds before I found more of these Bergers.
Posted by Lungbuster (Member # 630) on October 29, 2016, 07:20 AM:
Thanks for fixing the pic Knockem' I believe the barrel is clean but I will double check it.
I haven't tried any of the Nagels yet, but I suppose I should order some. I'm running out of options.
Posted by Lungbuster (Member # 630) on October 29, 2016, 07:28 AM:
On the plus side ( if there is one) I took the shotgun yesterday. First time I've used a shotgun in years.
I've never seen such a white coyote in the mountains. They're usually a lot darker. Shot him at 12 yards.
Anyways, thanks for the responses everyone. I like to have my rifles ready to go by now. It's getting a little late in the year to be doing load development..... Thanks.
[ October 30, 2016, 03:01 PM: Message edited by: Lungbuster ]
Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on October 29, 2016, 11:34 AM:
at 12 yards I'll bet there wasn't even a twitch left after the hit. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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